Chinese film industry aims to challenge Hollywood

[challenger]

For example, this one released in 2008, is for a very matured audience. A city affair, if not love affair.

A kind of French new wave style movie. You know in the 50s Jean Luc Goddard and Francois Truffaut of France started making such cinemas the genre of which is called New Wave.

I think, to have a global appeal, plots need to be easer to understand.

 

[Developereo]

This way, Chinese films can start having global appeals.

Well, I suppose this whole discussion begs the question: why does China want to challenge Hollywood?

As I see it, there are three reasons to make movies:
A- to showcase artistic talent
B- to make money
C- to promote one's culture

As far as A) is concerned, China has demonstrated that it can produce beautiful movies.

As for B), you have to give the public what it wants.

Finally, as for C), China already has world famous movie personalities. The names Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Jet Li are world famous and if martial arts movies promote Chinese culture worldwide, who cares if its Hollywood doing it or China?

A kind of French new wave style movie. You know in the 50s Jean Luc Goddard and Francois Truffaut of France started making such cinemas the genre of which is called New Wave.

I think, to have a global appeal, plots need to be easer to understand.

For mass appeal, the model to follow is not Truffaut, but Spielberg.

 

[below_freezing]

Excuse me for interrupting a private discussion, but there was no analogous statement by any Indian general as far as I know. Please look up the original and if you feel that it amounted to what you have described, we can talk about it. I believe I can convince you that you were wrong in your interpretation.

Regards,

i apologize. due to the different nature of india-china relationships and china-US relationships the words used are different in degree.

on films: i don't understand hollywood films outside of Bourne Identity and other action films, sorry. the plot is too complicated and the characters do nonsensical things. in general films are too long to watch at once yet cannot be enjoyed over a long period of time, i just watch TV series.

it's hard for me to imagine how US film became so successful. i don't think "hollywood" means western, since there's many other, alternative western film like British and French film. it's not "western culture", french and british film have nothing to do with hollywood. it is more likely the result of psychological manipulation through clever advertisements.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Yes, I see the analogy.

As I always say, you can't make everyone happy. This is pragmatic diplomacy.

I also understand any Geo-Political configuration is complex. And one needs to do careful balancing to avoid damages.

Pakistan, if not the ordinary Pakistanis, I mean the masses, has relationship with US. US earned that relationship risking a conflict with the Soviet during 1971. Hope you understand what I say here. OK, lets even forget this one.

Lets assume Pakistan has good relationship with the US. OK? US is enemy number 1 of China. Pakistan is China's friend. Now, China cannot militarily challenge US. Would not it be wise to have a friend like Pakistan whose fiend is US? Would not it be wise to have Pakistan as a friend who can help avoid any kind of conflict between China and US, as far as China's Western border is concerned?

OK, lets see the other-side of the story. China was compelled to launch retaliatory military measures against indian invasion in 1962. Such kind of hostility India once showed to China. US supported india against China. India still has good relationship with US. Now, if China thinks that india will play the role of a mediator between China and US to help reduce differences between China and US, then god help China.... India will again back stab China with the help of US. Don't forget Dalai is still there in Dharamtala... waiting for the conclusion. Dalai want to do something with the help of india and US before his death.

Now... Pakistan which has never gone against China, is very important ally of China because Pakistan has relationship with the US, which in collaboration with india want to split Tibet from China. Pakistan can play a vital role between China and US, thereby neutralizing india's military misadventure. Otherwise, US and india would not hesitate to fulfill Dalai's wishes.

Yes, in this world of globalization, China has to maintain trade and other diplomatic relationship with india. I agree. But that must not become an obstacle to the relationship between China and Pakistan. Careful balancing is what I emphasize here. At the same time, as China experienced a blatant deception in 1962 from india, China must keep some safe distance between itself and india. Beijing must not become too excited by any indian action.

For example, why did Beijing started showing eagerness that it will support india's UNSC membership? What was the need for such statements from Beijing when not even the US is eager to make india permanent member in UNSC? What did Beijing want to prove?

Can't Beijing understand that india will use its veto power against China's interests once it become permanent UNSC member? Does not the leadership have any common sense?

Or are they saying that ohhh forget 1962... again let us play brotherhood drama.... until China loses remaining control over China's Tibet?

Opium effect or what...? I want the answer.

Sometimes it is necessary to keep silence. China should have kept silence without declaring that China would support india in UNSC.

You can't make everyone happy. Some will always be less satisfied. Therefore, it is time for China to choose sides. China can't be neutral. In fact, in reality, neutrality does not exist. You have to select your side in Geo-Political game.

I can only say that you completely in a sense of rivalry. I can not say you are wrong, however, do you think we can have a better choice? Have you thought about, or even Pakistan and India may also be reconciliation, but did not mention China and India? This hope may be non-reality, temporarily. However, China, Pakistan, India, we have a lot of trouble, and do not need more trouble, no matter that some Indians are thinking. This is good direction, the bottom line is that this is a network, it does not have any impact on Chinese government policy. However, too much consciousness of confrontation, lead people to lose, a suggestion.

 

[kewell333]

Chinese film still leg far behind America,so did themarket, we should admit it. Only we can talk about is rapid grow in investment and market.
If nice film like Avatar continue to create nearly $200million in three month at the box office in China, then we can be seriously.

 

[challenger]

Well, I suppose this whole discussion begs the question: why does China want to challenge Hollywood?

As I see it, there are three reasons to make movies:
A- to showcase artistic talent
B- to make money
C- to promote one's culture

As far as A) is concerned, China has demonstrated that it can produce beautiful movies.

As for B), you have to give the public what it wants.

Finally, as for C), China already has world famous movie personalities. The names Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Jet Li are world famous and if martial arts movies promote Chinese culture worldwide, who cares if its Hollywood doing it or China?

For mass appeal, the model to follow is not Truffaut, but Spielberg.

Right. But I think, its my personal opinion, Chinese movies must get rid of a branding or stereotype. You know, people think Chinese films mean Kung Fu, martial arts, stunts, gymnastics, Bruce Lee, and the perception that this is all about Chinese movies, no variety.

But how much a good martial art movie can have a universal appeal? It may entertain a section of society, but not all the sections. Chinese film industry must be diversified in terms of its styles and plots. Chinese film industry needs to project itself as much diversified as is Hollywood.

There will be rivalry. Its obvious. But there will also be exchanges and co-operations as soon as both of them come closer to each other. Its not all about promoting Chinese culture, but about explaining how Chinese are going to be adjusted with other societies in the world.

Any cultural exchange does not occur one way. Exchange is different from domination or hegemony. Here Chinese film industry can make a difference between itself and Hollywood.

Thats why I said Chinese film industry cannot blindly copy Hollywood. Hollywood is inspiration, thats right, but ideological differences are there. That makes the Chinese Chinese.

Yeah, Truffaut is for highly intellectual audience. Thats Chinese film I referred to is not for all sections of society. Rather Spielberg's simple narrative style is indeed an inspiration. That right.

 

[Developereo]

Chinese movies must get rid of a branding or stereotype. You know, people think Chinese films mean Kung Fu, martial arts, stunts, gymnastics, Bruce Lee, and the perception that this is all about Chinese movies, no variety.

That is very true, but it also underscores the reason why Hollywood is hard to dethrone.

As I mentioned earlier, Hollywood's greatest asset is the global reach of Western culture and the English language. The only other countries who enjoy that advantage are the UK and Australia, and neither of them has the money (or desire, evidently) to challenge Hollywood.

Chinese martial artists find global acceptance because martial arts is one of two areas where Chinese culture intersects Western culture. (The other is cuisine, and Chinese cooking shows are extremely popular in Australia.)

So, yes Chinese artists need to break out of this stereotype, but it will be a tough battle.

 

[jayron]

Hello guys... How is the animation movie industry in China? How are animated movies received?

BTW, I am currently working on a medium budget Chinese animation movie which might release in a year.

 

[siegecrossbow]

That is very true, but it also underscores the reason why Hollywood is hard to dethrone.

As I mentioned earlier, Hollywood's greatest asset is the global reach of Western culture and the English language. The only other countries who enjoy that advantage are the UK and Australia, and neither of them has the money (or desire, evidently) to challenge Hollywood.

Chinese martial artists find global acceptance because martial arts is one of two areas where Chinese culture intersects Western culture. (The other is cuisine, and Chinese cooking shows are extremely popular in Australia.)

So, yes Chinese artists need to break out of this stereotype, but it will be a tough battle.

Sir do you suggest that we start working on movies about Chinese cuisine ? Don't laugh though since a Hong Kong film about a food competition, Man Han Quan Xi, was quite the comedy. Given the number of Western films with food themes perhaps we could try making an entry in that field as well.

Hello guys... How is the animation movie industry in China? How are animated movies received?

BTW, I am currently working on a medium budget Chinese animation movie which might release in a year.

Currently Chinese animation, I'm afraid to say, still lags behind those in Japan and the U.S. but we are catching up. What movie are you working on, just out of curiosity?

 

[jayron]

Currently Chinese animation, I'm afraid to say, still lags behind those in Japan and the U.S. but we are catching up. What movie are you working on, just out of curiosity?

Its called Monkey King. The team which broke away from Imagi studios (Astro Boy and TNMT) is making it.

 

[Developereo]

Sir do you suggest that we start working on movies about Chinese cuisine ?

Maybe not a film, but Iron Chef is quite popular. Why not a Chinese version?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Its called Monkey King. The team which broke away from Imagi studios (Astro Boy and TNMT) is making it.

Sounds like a Journey to the West remake. Since you mentioned Astro Boy/TMNT I think the film is going to be in 3D? Also what role do you play in the project?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Maybe not a film, but Iron Chef is quite popular. Why not a Chinese version?

I see viewers lining up for that on the Food Network. Maybe they should get Andrew Zimmern as one of the judges for some of the more "exotic" dishes.

 

[CardSharp]

Sir do you suggest that we start working on movies about Chinese cuisine ? Don't laugh though since a Hong Kong film about a food competition, Man Han Quan Xi, was quite the comedy. Given the number of Western films with food themes perhaps we could try making an entry in that field as well.

Currently Chinese animation, I'm afraid to say, still lags behind those in Japan and the U.S. but we are catching up. What movie are you working on, just out of curiosity?

I don't know about that. Amongst the artsier crowds films like Chungking Express has quite a following. Especially when Quinton Taratino gave Chungking Express the nod during interviews saying something like it was his favourite movie.

 

[jayron]

Sounds like a Journey to the West remake. Since you mentioned Astro Boy/TMNT I think the film is going to be in 3D? Also what role do you play in the project?

You guessed it right. It is Journey to the west set in in present day. It is 3D. I am involved in designing some sets and characters.