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Chinese envoy terms Rakhine issue Myanmar’s internal affair

It is Bangladesh who says they want to return all the Rohingya to Myanmar where they will be killed.

If you really feel so badly for them, then don't return them, give them Bangladeshi citizenship. After all they are your fellow Bengali Muslims, if you won't give them citizenship, who will?


BD is saying a safe zone under U.N. protection.
Rohingya have been in Arakan before the Barmans arrived so they
have every right yo the land.
Citizenship? Forget it, BD will have to spend many billions integrating them into
BD society and reward Myanmar at the same time.
Maybe China can stop supporting a vile country like Myanmar and that may make
some difference?
 
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Myanmar is not a nation. It is a legal entity where many nations make an artificial entity called a country.

That could be said for any national entity, going back in history, except for China, perhaps, China being the oldest state entity. But we have to accept and endorse present day national borders. Self-determination cannot be used as a facade to carry out foreign interests in a country. Nothing good came out from the disintegration of Yugoslavia.

Sorry if it hurts your interests but it needs to be split into it's constituent parts and then there will be peace. No power in this world can stop the disintegration of Myanmar.

I would say that would be a very wild assumption to anticipate disintegration of Myanmar while region's two heavyweights, China and Russia, are firmly behind its territorial integrity. It is more likely that those trying to disintegrate Myanmar will face justice or leave the country, to become refugees.

China can, and will, definitely prevent any potential disintegration of Myanmar. China would do the same if similar happened to Bengladesh, but, Myanmar, being an ASEAN member, is of greater importance to China and the rest of East Asia.

If there is one sacred idea carved in stone in ASEAN, it is sovereignty.
 
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BD is saying a safe zone under U.N. protection.
Rohingya have been in Arakan before the Barmans arrived so they
have every right yo the land.
Citizenship? Forget it, BD will have to spend many billions integrating them into
BD society and reward Myanmar at the same time.
Maybe China can stop supporting a vile country like Myanmar and that may make
some difference?

If Bengali Muslims don't want to save the lives of other Bengali Muslims by granting them citizenship, then what do you expect from Atheist Chinese?

Bangladesh is refusing to even give them "refugee status", despite multiple requests from the UNHCR.


http://www.dhakatribune.com/banglad...govt-reluctant-grant-refugee-status-rohingya/

The government of Bangladesh is reluctant to grant refugee status to the Rohingya people who have fled Myanmar since the brutal military crackdown began on August 25.

Senior officials say it will be more difficult to send the Rohingya back to Myanmar if they are granted refugee status here.

The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has asked Bangladesh to grant refugee status to the Rohingya on several occasions, but senior officials believe this will only make it more difficult to return the Rohingya to Myanmar.


Rohingya have been in Arakan before the Barmans arrived so they
have every right yo the land.

I agree, the Rohingya have the moral right to the land of Arakan, just like the Native Americans have the moral right to the land of the USA+Canada and the Indigenous Australians have the moral right to the land of Australia. But who is going to give it to them?
 
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I would say that would be a very wild assumption to anticipate disintegration of Myanmar while region's two heavyweights, China and Russia, are firmly behind its territorial integrity. It is more likely that those trying to disintegrate Myanmar will face justice or leave the country, to become refugees.

China can, and will, definitely prevent any potential disintegration of Myanmar. China would do the same if similar happened to Bengladesh, but, Myanmar, being an ASEAN member, is of greater importance to China and the rest of East Asia.

If there is one sacred idea carved in stone in ASEAN, it is sovereignty.

Russia is not a serious player in Myanmar.
It is the West versus China.
Like I say, Myanmar is an artificial state where rebellions have been happening
since independence.
If not today, then tomorrow it will disintegrate. Nothing China or anyone else can do to stop it.
Remember what happened to Soviet Union. 2nd most powerful country in world with strongest army
and it still disintegrated.
 
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I agree, the Rohingya have the moral right to the land of Arakan, just like the Native Americans have the moral right to the land of the USA+Canada and the Indigenous Australians have the moral right to the land of Australia. But who is going to give it to them?

BD is asking for Chinese neutrality. Is that too much to ask?

Native Americans and Australian Aborigines have full citizenship unlike Rohingya.
 
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BD is asking for Chinese neutrality. Is that too much to ask?

Native Americans and Australian Aborigines have full citizenship unlike Rohingya.

China has already withheld veto, China has no mutual defence treaty with Myanmar, so what else?

I'll tell you what, if the Bangladeshi government (and maybe some other members of the OIC) say they will cut ties with any country that does business with Myanmar, then they will be cut off. But does Hasina want that?
 
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Russia is not a serious player in Myanmar.
It is the West versus China.

Not really. Russia cares about Myanmar, at least more than it cared about Libya.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-concern-about-myanmar-violence-idUSKBN16O2J6

They have been cooperating on nuclear technology for a while:

https://www.mmtimes.com/national-ne...orking-body-for-nuclear-tech-cooperation.html

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I do not deny the presence of a crisis and the suffering of people on both sides. But, the solution cannot be prescribed by the US or the UK. It has to be done by the direct stakeholders in the region.
 
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China has already withheld veto, China has no mutual defence treaty with Myanmar, so what else?

I'll tell you what, if the Bangladeshi government (and maybe some other members of the OIC) say they will cut ties with any country that does business with Myanmar, then they will be cut off. But does Hasina want that?

Will China not block sanctions on Myanmar for ethnic cleansing? It's recent statements have been fully in support of Myanmar at the U.N..

We can both agree about Hasina. She is beholden to India for saving her family during 1971. Useless waste of space she is.

Truth be told, the main country apart from Myanmar to blame here is BD. It has 3.5x the GDP of Myanmar and
has neglected to build a decent military.

I just wish that no country would support a bunch of genocidal maniacs like the Myanmarese. Who knows how many thousands of Rohingya they have killed.
 
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Not really. Russia cares about Myanmar, at least more than it cared about Libya.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-concern-about-myanmar-violence-idUSKBN16O2J6

BD is not really understanding the greater desire of the West and US to get a foot hold in the name of human right violation in South - East Asia region. If you try to connect the dots, North Korea, Myanmar are the episodes which are all being flared up at the same time....

Human right should not be held as an execuse to supercede national integrity of any situation. Rather than addressing the effect of the situation,each party of the conflict should address the root cause...The best possible solution would be to take up this issue by OIC with Myanmar and find an amicable solution where refugees are returned to their homeland. If Myanmar will not take them back, then BD does not have much rather than feel like another Afganistan is in making on its eastern border which is not good news for neither China, India, BD or any one whooose intrest to avoid any outsiders to step foot in South East Asia.
 
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BD is not really understanding the greater desire of the West and US to get a foot hold in the name of human right violation in South - East Asia region. If you try to connect the dots, North Korea, Myanmar are the episodes which are all being flared up at the same time....

Human right should not be held as an execuse to supercede national integrity of any situation. Rather than addressing the effect of the situation,each party of the conflict should address the root cause...The best possible solution would be to take up this issue by OIC with Myanmar and find an amicable solution where refugees are returned to their homeland. If Myanmar will not take them back, then BD does not have much rather than feel like another Afganistan is in making on its eastern border which is not good news for neither China, India, BD or any one whooose intrest to avoid any outsiders to step foot in South East Asia.
outsider had stepped in especially when they find out Aung Sang Sukyi is not a good puppet for them.
 
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BD is not really understanding the greater desire of the West and US to get a foot hold in the name of human right violation in South - East Asia region. If you try to connect the dots, North Korea, Myanmar are the episodes which are all being flared up at the same time....

Human right should not be held as an execuse to supercede national integrity of any situation. Rather than addressing the effect of the situation,each party of the conflict should address the root cause...The best possible solution would be to take up this issue by OIC with Myanmar and find an amicable solution where refugees are returned to their homeland. If Myanmar will not take them back, then BD does not have much rather than feel like another Afganistan is in making on its eastern border which is not good news for neither China, India, BD or any one whooose intrest to avoid any outsiders to step foot in South East Asia.

In fact, I guess Bengladesh and Myanmar have already been talking, or are about to have a bilateral meeting with respect to some 500.000 refugees that fled the country due to the fights between Myanmar authorities and ARSA group. It was not just the Muslims fleeing the region, although they are the majority, but also Rakhines and other minorities.

I guess, Myanmar agrees, in principle, to let in all those that fled the country due to eruption of violence.

The West playing the Balkanization by overemphasizing the oppressed Muslims card as if they really cared. The same game played against Yugoslavia. Or, oppressed Christians card to divide Sudan. Not this time, not in East Asia I hope.

There is a huge flow of (mis)information, fed by Western mainstream media, so, even outlandish arguments now find customers now that people's feelings are agitated.

Will China not block sanctions on Myanmar for ethnic cleansing? It's recent statements have been fully in support of Myanmar at the U.N..

We can both agree about Hasina. She is beholden to India for saving her family during 1971. Useless waste of space she is.

Truth be told, the main country apart from Myanmar to blame here is BD. It has 3.5x the GDP of Myanmar and
has neglected to build a decent military.

I just wish that no country would support a bunch of genocidal maniacs like the Myanmarese. Who knows how many thousands of Rohingya they have killed.

We also need to keep in perspective that there is a sort of religio-separatist uprising in Myanmar. It is really difficult to ascertain how many people died or to which sect they belonged to. Rather than making it a religious issue, we need to approach it from the perspective of nationality.

It is also telling that the West suddenly discovered Rohingya and began to shed tears over it after Myanmar was elevated into a key linkage in Belt and Road's South Corridor. It may as well be that some external powers are trying to undermine the Belt and Road by promoting ethno-religious violence. External ties of the ARSA group must indeed be investigated.

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Rohingyas, Belt and Road, Kaladan – the future of Rakhine’s economy
CHAN MYA HTWE 29 SEP 2017

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Rohingya refugees queue to receive relief in front of makeshift tents in Ukhiya, Bangladesh, 20 September 2017. Photo: EPA

THE economy in the resource-rich Rakhine State is throttled by the crisis as well as the accompanying international backlash, dashing any hope of massive foreign investment in the near future. In the meantime, local communities in Kyaukphyu have demanded the stake ratio of the proposed Kyaukphyu port to be restructured so as to allow a higher ratio for Myanmar. Nay Pyi Taw is negotiating with the stakeholders on adjusting the ownership percentage between the two consortiums.

Despite the fact that Rakhine is not in Myanmar’s heartland geographically, the state is crucial for the country’s economy. In addition to the renowned Ngapali beach, Rakhine State holds enormous economic potential because the state has oil, natural gas fields and maritime resources from the Bay of Bengal.

However, Rakhine remains the second poorest region or state in the country. Community and economic development are lagging behind, despite the prospect of several mega infrastructure projects, namely the Kyaukphyu project and the Kaladan multi-modal transit transport project.

Crisis and challenge

Following the recent attacks in August, the government’s information ministry has failed to effectively convey accurate information to the international community. Misinformation persisted until State Counsellor Daw Aung San Suu Kyi attempted to clarify the situation in a speech on September 19.

Nonetheless, international pressure has escalated. This enormous pressure poses a challenge to the region’s economy, according to U Oo Than Naing, MP from Yethetaung township in Rakhine State.

Out of all foreign investment in Myanmar, Western countries only amount to less than 10pc, according to the Directorate of Investment and Company Administration (DICA). They contribute little to the development of Myanmar and to supporting democratic values, U Oo Than Naing added.

We, Rakhine citizens, are starving despite the fact that we have many natural resources. We want to escape away from that sort of life. We want the economy to improve. We want foreign investment to come to our region.

- U Oo Than Naing, Regional MP

This year, the Myanmar Investment Commission (MIC) issued licenses to two companies to build the station for supporting oil and natural gas in the Bay of Bengal with the permission of the state government and the Ministry of Electricity and Energy.

U Khin Maung Nyo, freelance economic columnist, is concerned that the international pressure on Rakhine State may worry foreign investors about the area’s stability, which can hinder the economic prospects of Rakhine.

“The instability is not just in Rakhine State, it is slowing down investment and decisions in the whole country. Due to the impact of the media on the issue, some foreign tourism agencies believe that the instability is only limited to Rakhine, but others believe it is affecting the entire country.

“In any case, Rakhine tourism suffered from the change in the perception of foreigners,” he said.

From the current situation, there doesn’t seem to be signs of economic sanctions on Myanmar, so the situation will not be worsening, said U Khin Maung Nyo.

The current conflict in Rakhine State is mostly limited to the Maungdaw region in the northern part of Rakhine. The relevant government authorities and state government have been doing their best to stabilise the region. At the moment, Rakhine State’s economy has stagnated.

Local citizens in Rakhine State either earn a living by fishing at sea (30pc of the population do so), or do businesses related to agriculture (70pc do so). Although rice is a staple crop, farmers are facing difficulties as they cannot extract a good price. Because of the instability, fishermen cannot go at sea, pushing them toward unemployment.

In this view, the regional unrest also affected the seafood factories in Maungdaw region in terms of reduced production, according to Rakhine State Fisheries Department Director Dr Nyunt Wai Maung.
“Our Rakhine State’s economic is much reduced. We have many natural resources on sea and land. We also have mountains. We, Rakhine citizens, are starving despite the fact that we have many natural resources,” U Oo Than Naing, a regional lawmaker, told The Myanmar Times.

“We want to escape away from that sort of life. We want the economy to improve. We want foreign investment to come to our region. We want them to learn about our region’s real situation and to pass the message. We want only investments which will benefit our country. We don’t want investment which does nothing for us,” he added.

Kyaukphyu’s grand scheme

China’s Kyaukphyu deep-sea port and Special Economic Zone (SEZ), which started under U Thein Sein’s government, are currently being developed in Rakhine State. Daw Aung San Suu Kyi signed up to the China-led Belt and Road Initiative when she visited Beijing in May.

The Kyaukphyu project, which consists of both the port and the SEZ, is seen as a core part of the Belt and Road Initiative.

An MoU is expected to be signed between Chinese state-owned CITIC - which won the tender of the project: to establish the port and the SEZ - and the state government. The developments of Kyaukphyu region will be shaped by these two projects, explained U Kyaw Aye Thein, Rakhine State planning and finance minister.

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Rakhine ethnic man collects oil from hand-cooped oil well on the shore of Kyaukphyu, Rakhine State. Photo: EPA

Local communities observed that Rakhine State economy is in a difficult position to develop. There has not been any formal agreement between the two parties so far, suggesting that there are many differences to be bridged before an agreement can be reached.

Under U Thein Sein’s government, CITIC was contracted to implement the projects with the condition that the Chinese consortium will invest up to 85 percent in the strategic port and will carry all the financing responsibilities. This was not well received by the locals, U Oo Than Naing said.

As a result, the National League for Democracy-led government is currently working on a change in the ownership percentage between the two consortiums.

Local communities have expressed their desire that Kyaukphyu SEZ is structured in the same way as Thilawa SEZ – Myanmar owns 51pc while Japan owns 49pc. Additionally, there are concerns about land compensation, which has not been planned, a local resident said.

“Rakhine State government welcomes companies which carry out transparent investments and beneficial investments to invest in the region.

“Under the current arrangements for the Kyaukphyu project, investors are taking the lion’s share by cooperating with the government,” said U Thein Naing, MP of Rathedaung township.

Although the Kyaukphyu SEZ is considerably larger than Thilawa SEZ, the current arrangement is one-sided so it does not sufficiently benefit the region and local economy. On the other hand, better synergy with local communities could hasten the realisation of the project, the regional lawmaker noted.

Why can’t the government disclose the Kyaukphyu project details with transparency? The union government is taking the lead on this but the Rakhine State parliament was not updated with all the information.

- U Oo Than Naing, Regional MP

Kaladan multi-modal transit transport


The Kaladan multi-modal transit transport project is supported by a full grant from India. Sittwe jetty and Paletwa marine terminal have already been completed. When the jetty operates, bilateral trade will improve. In its wake, the development of agriculture, livestock and SME will follow.

“The downturn in regional investment will not worsen, thanks to projects such as Kyaukpyu SEZ and Kaladan project. Chinese investment and trade are important for Myanmar, and relations with India is good as they side with us,” an economic expert said.

The US and other Western countries do not have much investment in Myanmar. Investment agreements between Myanmar and the EU are not yet signed. Only once the investment protection agreement is signed will they invest more in Myanmar. Irrelevant of the Rakhine issue, EU investment will not come in en masse. It will take time for regional development projects to take shape, economic observers said.

Tourism and promotion

Rakhine has a long coastal line well suited for regional tourism. Ngapali beach in Rakhine State ranks as the 8th best beach in the world, according to CNN 2016 rating. During tourism season, the coast host many visitors with insufficient hotels. The state government plans to expand the resort area. Along these lines, Kan Thar Yar beach in Gwa township is currently being developed.

A circular road along the beach from Gwa to Ayeyarwady Region was agreed by Rakhine State and Ayeyarwady Region governments this year to strengthen economic cooperation. It aims to develop tourism development, electrification, and trade from Ayeyarwady to Maungdaw trade zone and international market via Sittwe jetty.

“If resources in Rakhine are exploited, Rakhine economy will develop a lot, we hope. There are some beaches on a path from Gwa to Ayeyarwady. But due to the difficulty in transportation, those areas are not developed. We agreed to provide electricity on Gwa,” Rakhine State planning and finance minister U Kyaw Aye Thein said.

There are many prospects for Rakhine’s development following hotel upgrades in Ngapali and Thandwe, he said.

A delegation led by the tourism Union Minister U Ohn Maung will attend a photo tourism promotion in Japan to attract tourists in Rakhine State, Kayah State, Chin State and Tanintharyi Region. The state government is also planning to hold an investment forum targeting international investors next year.

“We are planning to hold an investment forum to show that only a part of Rakhine is unstable and the remaining majority area is peaceful,” he added.

Foreign investment in Ngapali hotels creates job opportunities for local people and a certain percentage of the tax revenue from the region is being allocated by the Union Government to the state government.

More investment into the region would create more job opportunities and foster economic prosperity and hence stability, numerous government officials and local businessmen emphasised.

https://www.mmtimes.com/news/rohingyas-belt-and-road-kaladan-future-rakhines-economy.html
 
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outsider had stepped in especially when they find out Aung Sang Sukyi is not a good puppet for them.

I think she has realized the mood and sense of the people of Myanmar is not aligned with the view of the West. At the end of the day, she has to be in the part of the system in Myanmar. That is why, lot of Western nations started to criticize her and demanded her to withdraw the nobel prize.
 
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Will China not block sanctions on Myanmar for ethnic cleansing? It's recent statements have been fully in support of Myanmar at the U.N..

If not China, then Russia will do. A sanction is possible only when MM went rogue like NK. China don't want Russia vetoing it.

We can both agree about Hasina. She is beholden to India for saving her family during 1971. Useless waste of space she is.
:D I can agree with that. She has proven to be useless in this situation. At the same time, I don't know what alternative she has. BD needs to expand it's ties outside South Asia.

Truth be told, the main country apart from Myanmar to blame here is BD. It has 3.5x the GDP of Myanmar and
has neglected to build a decent military.
Partly because of the priority. BD has no existential threat from any countries. The borders are well defined.
 
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It is Bangladesh who says they want to return all the Rohingya to Myanmar where they will be killed.
If you really feel so badly for them, then don't return them, give them Bangladeshi citizenship. After all they are your fellow Bengali Muslims, if you won't give them citizenship, who will?
Muslims in China told to hand over Quran or face harsh punishment
Agencies
Published at 11:27 AM September 30, 2017
Last updated at 11:37 AM September 30, 2017
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Muslims in China during prayers AFP
The directive was reportedly announced via the WeChat social network
Chinese authorities are reportedly ordering Muslims in the country “to hand over their prayer mats and copies of the Quran” or else face punishment.

Citing a leader in exile, the Independent reports that officials in Xinjiang province have warned members of the Uyghur ethnic minority they must surrender religious items on pain of “harsh punishments.”

Dilxat Raxit of the (exile) World Uyghur Congress told the US government operated Radio Free Asia (RFA): “We received a notification saying that every single ethnic Uyghur must hand in any Islam-related items from their own home, including Qurans, prayers and anything else bearing the symbols of religion.”

The directive – reportedly announced via the WeChat social network – also applies to ethnic Kazakh and Kyrgyz Muslims, RFA said on Wednesday.

According to a reporton China in 2016-17 by Amnesty International, the communist Beijing government “continued to violate the right to freedom of religion, and crack down on all unauthorised religious gatherings” and Uyghur writers.

The 2009 tension between Uighurs and Han Chinese led to “violence that left scores dead.”

“Hundreds of people have died in the protracted conflict between separatists and the Chinese government in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, its full name, which sits on China’s far north-western border,” reports the Independent.

Even though, Beijing has blamed the problems on Islamist militants, many rights groups claim the violence “in reaction to repressive Chinese policy.” In turn, the rebels claim the region has been “illegally occupied since 1949.”

Meanwhile, peaceful protests have taken place alongside bombings and other violent attacks on Chinese security forces and institutions, reports the UK news outlet.

According to a report by Press Trust of India (PTI), China dismissed reports that said authorities were seizing copies of the Quran from Muslim families in Xinjiang province as groundless allegations.”

10 million Uyghur Muslims reside in the north-western Xinjiang region.

Calling the situation in Xinjiang “sound,” the Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Lu Kang said that local residents were “working and living in peace.”
“We hope relevant parties refrain from making groundless allegations and rumours,” he added.
http://www.dhakatribune.com/world/2017/09/30/muslims-china-told-hand-quran-face-harsh-punishment/
Any comments on the news article published above?
 
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