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Chinese electric vehicles are $10,618 cheaper than in Europe, parts maker says

Chinese electric vehicles are $10,618 cheaper than in Europe, parts maker says​

Forvia chief Patrick Koller tells Consumer Electronics Show audience in Las Vegas that China is producing 'good vehicles'

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An electric car made by Chinese manufacturer BYD. The average price of EVs has dropped in China to $33,440 from $70,203, taking it below the price of petrol rivals. Reuters

Reuters
Jan 07, 2023

Chinese car makers can build an electric vehicle for €10,000 ($10,618) less than European counterparts, an overwhelming cost advantage that will put pressure on European manufacturers in their home market, the head of vehicle supplier Forvia has said.

As European consumers seek cheap EVs, Forvia chief executive Patrick Koller told the CES convention in Las Vegas on Wednesday that China was producing “good vehicles” and Europe would not be able to stop imports.

The issue is “more dangerous” for Europe than the US, Mr Koller said, as high duties have limited China's US market share.

Forvia, the company created when French car supplier Faurecia took 82 per cent control of German supplier Hella, is the seventh largest vehicle component maker in the world. It supplies many Chinese car makers, including low-cost EV leader BYD.

While the average price of electric cars has risen in Europe since 2015 from $51,424 to $58,652 ― and $53,038 to $63,864 in the US ― it has dropped in China to $33,440 from $70,203, taking it below the price of petrol cars, according to a study by JATO Dynamics, which provides analysis on industry trends.

Chinese EV makers can produce vehicles for less because they have lower research and development costs, lower levels of capital spending and lower labour costs than rivals in Europe, Mr Koller said.

Europe is relatively open to vehicles imported from China, and Chinese vehicle makers as well as global manufacturers such as Tesla are rushing to step up shipments.

Countering perceptions Chinese goods are lower quality, they have earned five-star safety ratings from European regulators.

China has a roughly 5.8 per cent of Europe's EV share, according to French auto consultancy Inovev, which predicts a steep rise in the coming years as Chinese brands build more lower-cost models.

By contrast, high duties in the US on Chinese-made vehicles have so far kept China's share of the American car market negligible.

The outlook for global vehicle demand in 2023 is uncertain, Mr Koller said.

An end to the war in Ukraine would lift prospects, but a deeper, protracted conflict could create a “far darker” scenario.

Forvia will invest more in the US, in part to take advantage of federal incentives provided in the Inflation Reduction Act signed into law in August, Mr Koller said.

Forvia sees opportunities in supplying fuel cell technology for North American pick-up trucks, and Mr Koller said he expects a fuel cell pick-up to be launched in the US by 2025.

The company has invested in fuel-cell technology company Symbio, and Stellantis, which owns the Ram pick-up brand, said last month it was also in talks to invest in Symbio.

Forvia is on track to meet goals of boosting revenue to €30 billion by 2025, and selling €1 billion of assets this year, Mr Koller said.

It can execute its asset sales and cost-saving even though it does not control 18 per cent of Hella’s shares.

Activist hedge fund Elliott Management holds a 10.75 per cent stake in Hella.

Mr Koller said he is in no hurry to acquire the remaining Hella shares, given Forvia’s existing debt.

Actually $20,000 cheaper. I am a bit shocked. Tesla sells model Y for $57,000 here in Germany. The EU must seriously impose high tariffs on chinese made cars otherwise we all would go bankrupt.
 
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Actually $20,000 cheaper. I am a bit shocked. Tesla sells model Y for $57,000 here in Germany. The EU must seriously impose high tariffs on chinese made cars otherwise we all would go bankrupt.
Thinking the way Germany spend the money, the best that can happen to them, is the complete bankrupt.

Anyway, they can sequestrate us, but they can't do mandatory to whole world to buy their crappy machines.
 
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let’s wait. Cheaper yes but there are issues with weight and energy. Sodium or Natrium is 11, while lithium is 3 on the period system. Just by this context you can conclude sodium is 3 to 4 times heavier in weight than lithium battery. Not good at all for light cars as EV. Same disadvantage when using phosphate battery. such heavy batteries are more suitable for bus, trucks or trains.
LOL.. Technology will improve. People used to BS about Iithium iron phosphate and yet what. BYD selling their blade battery using this formula by innovating with a packing techniques that increase its power density.

People also used to dismissed Electric car 10 years ago due to their range limitation and now?
EV become the mainstream to take over ICE.

Actually $20,000 cheaper. I am a bit shocked. Tesla sells model Y for $57,000 here in Germany. The EU must seriously impose high tariffs on chinese made cars otherwise we all would go bankrupt.
EU will not do that. They aim to reduced carbon emission by 2030. In fact cheaper Chinese EV flood their market is good. More EU will adopt EV and abandon their ICE. Therefore reduced EU exposure to oil import from US , Russia and middle-east. Making EU energy independent. Electricity can be obtained thru renewable method like windmill, tidal, solar, geothermal.

 
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LOL.. Technology will improve. People used to BS about Iithium iron phosphate and yet what. BYD selling their blade battery using this formula by innovating with a packing techniques that increase its power density.

People also used to dismissed Electric car 10 years ago due to their range limitation and now?
EV become the mainstream to take over ICE.


EU will not do that. They aim to reduced carbon emission by 2030. In fact cheaper Chinese EV flood their market is good. More EU will adopt EV and abandon their ICE. Therefore reduced EU exposure to oil import from US , Russia and middle-east. Making EU energy independent. Electricity can be obtained thru renewable method like windmill, tidal, solar, geothermal.

Lithium is the king and will remain the king for EV. Iron phosphate and sodium ion are inferior to lithium ion battery. Sure, the EU must raise import tariffs on chinese cars otherwise it will be bitter here. China has no import restrictions? Ah come on.
 
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Lithium is the king and will remain the king for EV. Iron phosphate and sodium ion are inferior to lithium ion battery. Sure, the EU must raise import tariffs on chinese cars otherwise it will be bitter here. China has no import restrictions? Ah come on.
Indeed, mr viet.. :-)

 
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Lithium is the king and will remain the king for EV. Iron phosphate and sodium ion are inferior to lithium ion battery. Sure, the EU must raise import tariffs on chinese cars otherwise it will be bitter here. China has no import restrictions? Ah come on.
You are still dreaming. It already happened and the EV can go up to 700km with BYD blade iron phosphate battery.


 
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Just 5 years ago Chinese cars were almost unheard of, now they are on path to dominate the global market. This is China speed.
 
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You are still dreaming. It already happened and the EV can go up to 700km with BYD blade iron phosphate battery.


That’s misleading.
Byd blade is lithium iron phosphate. Not pure iron phosphate.
Iron, phosphate is in the middle of period table. They are not reactive elements.
700km is very good range however should be proven in praxis. I doubt it can reach 700km. Most likely much less. The battery is too heavy.
 
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Good for USA and India too. Every year both these countries are import record Made in China product to sustain their economy and keep inflation low. The world shall thank China for doing such a good deed. :enjoy:
We all bow down to China being the factory of the world and letting us get our iphones and daily products cheap as hell, absolutely a win for western consumers, hence the need for Chinese fctories and workers to supply western consumers, hence china should stay out of big boy geopolitics and keep those factories chugging and making its citizens living standards better by providing them jobs in those factories.

Pretty simple world if you look at it, everyone wins!!

Yup like every one knows any thing made by Indians are expensive, low quality , subpar performance, and of poor design
Dont buy an iphone, might just be that.
 
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