Chinese Defense Ministry — Australia may overestimate its national strength.

[LASER1]

Need links?

No. Actually, you need something called critical thinking. Tell me why do you think such reports are true?

Oh, thanks for india cheap drugs, but I hope it stays in India.
After all, you know how poor the life expectancy of Indians is, or even lower than that of North Korea.

Maybe it should. You should preach this life expectancy stuff to poor Chinese people who suffer from Leukemia and other illness cannot afford some millions of Yuan for branded drugs coming from the west. Instead, they are taking the risk of buying them from India. They say Thank you India. I hope you don't come to such a situation. It'll be some great irony for an ultra-nationalists. And this will be my last reply on topics related to India. Don't quote me for more replies about India. Ciao.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

No. Actually, you need something called critical thinking. Tell me why do you think such reports are true?

1, ask yourself —— there is a military industry in India?
2, ask yourself —— how many weapons are produced in India every year?
3, ask yourself —— how many weapons are imported by the India army every year?

PS: I can provide the India links.

Maybe it should. You should preach this life expectancy stuff to poor Chinese people who suffer from Leukemia and other illness cannot afford some millions of Yuan for branded drugs coming from the west. Instead, they are taking the risk of buying them from India. They say Thank you India. I hope you don't come to such a situation. It'll be some great irony for an ultra-nationalists. And this will be my last reply on topics related to India. Don't quote me for more replies about India. Ciao.

Oh, no, I hope you can understand that China's medical technology and equipment are a little bit advanced than India (not too much, about 30 years). That is why the health of the Chinese people is still far higher than that of the indian people.

So what we should do is to control the price.

 

[jhungary]

Why would China fight a war with Australia? But if they ever go to war one on one Australia stands NO chance simple!! Australia is big country but very small population and very small economy vis a vis China. I like Australia and Australians but my sincere advise to them would be Don't start anything with China " You will not win"". Period.

I think you don't understand how expeditionary warfare work.

If and when China start a war (one on one or not) with Australia, China is fighting an expeditionary warfare, across a distant of about 5,000km (give or take), which mean it does not actually matter how many Troops Chinese Military Chinese military have or How many ship the Chinese Navy have, those number did not matter because you cannot bring them all 5,000 km away in a foreign theatre. Only the Troop and Ship China can forward deploy counted.

In this case, it's about logistic, sea/airlift, forward deployable troop and supply. In this stage, if we counted every logistic, sea/airlift capability, China can afford about 1 Brigade Combat Team size force with support element that far (judging by the fact China only have 4 Battalion size LPD (Type 071) and other 30 or so LSD (Type 072, 073, 074) are company size or less, which mean about 7500 (30x150 + 4 x 800) troop strength, which is a US BCT size strength.

Logistic is even less, China have 18 underway replenishment ship (type 091, 093 and 094) which mean these ship were responsible for the whole 10,000 km round trip whatever Chinese Fleet has to made to and from Australia to complete 1 resupply cycle, which mean conventionally, China can only support 15-20% of her naval force that far. So each landing trip Chinese made, have to come all the way from China and by ship, you are talking about a landing frequency of 20-25 days per cycle, which in layman term, even if logistically sustainable, China can put 7000 troop in Australia soil every 20 to 25 days by sea. That is the physical limits.

Airlift Capacity is a bit better but not a lot. With 140 assorted Transport with up to 90 troop in Y-8 and 120 troop in Y-20, the average Airliftable troop China can deploy is about 14,000 ( approximately a division strength) and flight time is about 17 hours round trip, which mean the number China can airlift in or out of Australia is 14,000 per 17 hours (let's call it a day), that is if China can deploy all their transport and guard them at once. However, airlift troop lack of heavy weapon and armoured support and have to be light infantry.

Basically China can put about 14000 troop per day by air and 7000 troop per month by sea before attribution (so the number goes down if the transport was shot down and sunk)

On the other hand, Australia have 70000 active and reserve defence force but can expand with civil defence training to 300,000 (The Military have 300,000 set of equipment for short term training) which mean given training time (which is usually 9 weeks, but usually shorter in emergency) Australia Army can field 300,000 troops in 2 months and a 1 week time. Covering a land as big as China, with population sparse and population center separated, which mean every town is essential to be link up between 2 capital city (eg Wollongong is a strategic important town to link up between Sydney and Melbourne) Which mean Chinese force have to take not only the big population center, but surrounding satellite city in order to keep the MSR between Capital City open.

With number like that, you are needing a lightly armed force to seize and guard both strategically important cities and Captical City, China would have a hard time doing so, even more so, large ground area favour guerrilla warfare, which mean China not only need to face conventional Australian force in Australian soil, but also insurgency in occupying town.

Can China pull this off? Let me give you a for instant, when I was in the US military, I came across of a warplan detailing a full scale invasion of Australia (they do that to EVERY allied country in case they felt to the suggested enemy). The report, which is classified, and which I cannot tell you what's inside, but I can tell you this, US Military would have problem seizing Australia with its current Sea/Airlift capacity, and you are talking about multiple flow in strength in logistic and sea/airlift capacity, and they have American Samoa and Guam (which is closest naval and air base toward Australia and Guam is only 2500 km from Australia) to act as Forward Deployment/staging area.

 

[TruthTheOnlyDefense]

I understand Australia comes under the American security umbrella but why the hostility with China?

China has tried to interfere with our democracy, their so-called "students" have tried to influence the Chinese population, and they have tried to interfere in our politics, it's about time we **** China over.

 

[saltyashell]

Kindly english clases as he specifically mentioned criteria of one on one ... There is no brainer that china cannot handle entire western alliance specially in attack mode

English is not my first language.
The Chinese are confused that in a war the weapons are asked whether they were indigenous or the contestants are kicked to the kerb by their allies.
Does it matter to Pakistan how your nuke was made or with who's help or who supplied the f-16s or jf17s ? No . They will still do their job.
Similarly Australia has steadfast american support and the Chinese are fully aware of the cost of any conflict.

 

[TruthTheOnlyDefense]

I think you don't understand how expeditionary warfare work.

If and when China start a war (one on one or not) with Australia, China is fighting an expeditionary warfare, across a distant of about 5,000km (give or take), which mean it does not actually matter how many Troops Chinese Military Chinese military have or How many ship the Chinese Navy have, those number did not matter because you cannot bring them all 5,000 km away in a foreign theatre. Only the Troop and Ship China can forward deploy counted.

In this case, it's about logistic, sea/airlift, forward deployable troop and supply. In this stage, if we counted every logistic, sea/airlift capability, China can afford about 1 Brigade Combat Team size force with support element that far (judging by the fact China only have 4 Battalion size LPD (Type 071) and other 30 or so LSD (Type 072, 073, 074) are company size or less, which mean about 7500 (30x150 + 4 x 800) troop strength, which is a US BCT size strength.

Logistic is even less, China have 18 underway replenishment ship (type 091, 093 and 094) which mean these ship were responsible for the whole 10,000 km round trip whatever Chinese Fleet has to made to and from Australia to complete 1 resupply cycle, which mean conventionally, China can only support 15-20% of her naval force that far. So each landing trip Chinese made, have to come all the way from China and by ship, you are talking about a landing frequency of 20-25 days per cycle, which in layman term, even if logistically sustainable, China can put 7000 troop in Australia soil every 20 to 25 days by sea. That is the physical limits.

Airlift Capacity is a bit better but not a lot. With 140 assorted Transport with up to 90 troop in Y-8 and 120 troop in Y-20, the average Airliftable troop China can deploy is about 14,000 ( approximately a division strength) and flight time is about 17 hours round trip, which mean the number China can airlift in or out of Australia is 14,000 per 17 hours (let's call it a day), that is if China can deploy all their transport and guard them at once. However, airlift troop lack of heavy weapon and armoured support and have to be light infantry.

Basically China can put about 14000 troop per day by air and 7000 troop per month by sea before attribution (so the number goes down if the transport was shot down and sunk)

On the other hand, Australia have 70000 active and reserve defence force but can expand with civil defence training to 300,000 (The Military have 300,000 set of equipment for short term training) which mean given training time (which is usually 9 weeks, but usually shorter in emergency) Australia Army can field 300,000 troops in 2 months and a 1 week time. Covering a land as big as China, with population sparse and population center separated, which mean every town is essential to be link up between 2 capital city (eg Wollongong is a strategic important town to link up between Sydney and Melbourne) Which mean Chinese force have to take not only the big population center, but surrounding satellite city in order to keep the MSR between Capital City open.

With number like that, you are needing a lightly armed force to seize and guard both strategically important cities and Captical City, China would have a hard time doing so, even more so, large ground area favour guerrilla warfare, which mean China not only need to face conventional Australian force in Australian soil, but also insurgency in occupying town.

Can China pull this off? Let me give you a for instant, when I was in the US military, I came across of a warplan detailing a full scale invasion of Australia (they do that to EVERY allied country in case they felt to the suggested enemy). The report, which is classified, and which I cannot tell you what's inside, but I can tell you this, US Military would have problem seizing Australia with its current Sea/Airlift capacity, and you are talking about multiple flow in strength in logistic and sea/airlift capacity, and they have American Samoa and Guam (which is closest naval and air base toward Australia and Guam is only 2500 km from Australia) to act as Forward Deployment/staging area.

Chinese on here don't know how big Australia is the land area, no invading army will even land on Aussie soil it's just a wet dream for the Chinese.

And like you said if they do get past our professional military then they will have to deal with the Aussie population will take to guerrilla warfare

Then there is the problem of logistics you can have the biggest army in the world, but you need to sluppy them, Aussies will have a field day picking them off.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

English is not my first language.
The Chinese are confused that in a war the weapons are asked whether they were indigenous or the contestants are kicked to the kerb by their allies.
Does it matter to Pakistan how your nuke was made or with who's help or who supplied the f-16s or jf17s ? No . They will still do their job.
Similarly Australia has steadfast american support and the Chinese are fully aware of the cost of any conflict.

But Saudi DF-3 missiles can easily destroy Australia. Isn't it?
Of course, we must admit that the Americans are Australia's security guarantee. After all, this is the dog's right.

 

[The Accountant]

English is not my first language.
The Chinese are confused that in a war the weapons are asked whether they were indigenous or the contestants are kicked to the kerb by their allies.
Does it matter to Pakistan how your nuke was made or with who's help or who supplied the f-16s or jf17s ? No . They will still do their job.
Similarly Australia has steadfast american support and the Chinese are fully aware of the cost of any conflict.

Man the person to which you respond specifically mention a war scenario of Australia v/s China one on one .. No other party ...

 

[Viking 63]

I see so many pakistanis jump in to slavishly defend the honour of their chinese friends? . Frankly this makes you look servile to someone who is paying your bills.
Best to sometimes discuss on topic with real world data.
Australia is a part of an american alliance , like the europeans. They dont need to confront the americans alone.
Look at the impotence of china against a tiny defiant taiwan. This is what a alliance with usa brings you.

Your comments are really ignorant and smell like old European hangover of superiority !! I'm not jumping to defend China, it is a realty which has happening as we speak, you talk about defiant Taiwan, there is no contest it is called political restrained on part of china even if China decides to Invade Taiwan your Master The USA to whom all you pathetic Europeans bow down with your pants down cannot do Shit !! look how sheepishly they went to N.Korea to smooth things why becus they do not want few missiles landing on their heads. it is also really funny that you used the word SERVILE, really, go and have very hard look in the mirror ! Then come back to me I can properly educate you.

 

[Mista]

I think you don't understand how expeditionary warfare work.

If and when China start a war (one on one or not) with Australia, China is fighting an expeditionary warfare, across a distant of about 5,000km (give or take), which mean it does not actually matter how many Troops Chinese Military Chinese military have or How many ship the Chinese Navy have, those number did not matter because you cannot bring them all 5,000 km away in a foreign theatre. Only the Troop and Ship China can forward deploy counted.

In this case, it's about logistic, sea/airlift, forward deployable troop and supply. In this stage, if we counted every logistic, sea/airlift capability, China can afford about 1 Brigade Combat Team size force with support element that far (judging by the fact China only have 4 Battalion size LPD (Type 071) and other 30 or so LSD (Type 072, 073, 074) are company size or less, which mean about 7500 (30x150 + 4 x 800) troop strength, which is a US BCT size strength.

Logistic is even less, China have 18 underway replenishment ship (type 091, 093 and 094) which mean these ship were responsible for the whole 10,000 km round trip whatever Chinese Fleet has to made to and from Australia to complete 1 resupply cycle, which mean conventionally, China can only support 15-20% of her naval force that far. So each landing trip Chinese made, have to come all the way from China and by ship, you are talking about a landing frequency of 20-25 days per cycle, which in layman term, even if logistically sustainable, China can put 7000 troop in Australia soil every 20 to 25 days by sea. That is the physical limits.

Airlift Capacity is a bit better but not a lot. With 140 assorted Transport with up to 90 troop in Y-8 and 120 troop in Y-20, the average Airliftable troop China can deploy is about 14,000 ( approximately a division strength) and flight time is about 17 hours round trip, which mean the number China can airlift in or out of Australia is 14,000 per 17 hours (let's call it a day), that is if China can deploy all their transport and guard them at once. However, airlift troop lack of heavy weapon and armoured support and have to be light infantry.

Basically China can put about 14000 troop per day by air and 7000 troop per month by sea before attribution (so the number goes down if the transport was shot down and sunk)

On the other hand, Australia have 70000 active and reserve defence force but can expand with civil defence training to 300,000 (The Military have 300,000 set of equipment for short term training) which mean given training time (which is usually 9 weeks, but usually shorter in emergency) Australia Army can field 300,000 troops in 2 months and a 1 week time. Covering a land as big as China, with population sparse and population center separated, which mean every town is essential to be link up between 2 capital city (eg Wollongong is a strategic important town to link up between Sydney and Melbourne) Which mean Chinese force have to take not only the big population center, but surrounding satellite city in order to keep the MSR between Capital City open.

With number like that, you are needing a lightly armed force to seize and guard both strategically important cities and Captical City, China would have a hard time doing so, even more so, large ground area favour guerrilla warfare, which mean China not only need to face conventional Australian force in Australian soil, but also insurgency in occupying town.

Can China pull this off? Let me give you a for instant, when I was in the US military, I came across of a warplan detailing a full scale invasion of Australia (they do that to EVERY allied country in case they felt to the suggested enemy). The report, which is classified, and which I cannot tell you what's inside, but I can tell you this, US Military would have problem seizing Australia with its current Sea/Airlift capacity, and you are talking about multiple flow in strength in logistic and sea/airlift capacity, and they have American Samoa and Guam (which is closest naval and air base toward Australia and Guam is only 2500 km from Australia) to act as Forward Deployment/staging area.

Thanks for the insight.