Chinese Agriculture and why it did not have an industrial revolution

[Kolaps]

Most of mainlanders here, because of propaganda and censorship by CCP, don't know anything about Song Industrial Revolution, mass production, automation and machinery.

Imperial China massive economy, national highway and productivity.

Their narrative is always the heroic CCP and godlike Mao Zedong, bring Industrial Revolution for the first time in China history.

Kinda sad people! Stupid communist!

I do believe, most of them don't know about air conditioned room, ice storage, heated floor, oil and gas mining, etc.

 

[cnleio]

Most of mainlanders here, because of propaganda and censorship by CCP, don't know anything about Song Industrial Revolution, mass production, automation and machinery.

Imperial China massive economy, national highway and productivity.

Their narrative is always the heroic CCP and godlike Mao Zedong, bring Industrial Revolution for the first time in China history.

Kinda sad people! Stupid communist!

I do believe, most of them don't know about air conditioned room, ice storage, heated floor, oil and gas mining, etc.

Don't u find there'r all Agriculture Wood Revolution, not Industrial Revolution in Song or Qing China ?

What's ur idea about Chinese Agriculture Industrial Revolution ?
How about ROC TaiWan's farm ?

 

[Aepsilons]

@Aegis DDG ありがとうございます！

Most of mainlanders here, because of propaganda and censorship by CCP, don't know anything about Song Industrial Revolution, mass production, automation and machinery.

Imperial China massive economy, national highway and productivity.

Their narrative is always the heroic CCP and godlike Mao Zedong, bring Industrial Revolution for the first time in China history.

Kinda sad people! Stupid communist!

I do believe, most of them don't know about air conditioned room, ice storage, heated floor, oil and gas mining, etc.

You have a point, but we cannot forget that balanced development did happen after the 大跃进.

 

[Kolaps]

Don't u find there'r all Agriculture Wood Revolution, not Industrial Revolution in Song or Qing China ?
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Industrial Revolution is the way how people produce good.

May be you should do research in internet about China Industrialization.

Silk Road was not just transporting a little amount of good, but millions and tons of products.


Christian KMT and CCP want to tell us about their heroic narrative, but instead their lie and evilness were busted!

What's ur idea about Chinese Agriculture Industrial Revolution ?
How about ROC TaiWan's farm ?
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The topic is about imperial era of China, before British Industrial Revolution.

China was an AGRICULTURAL civilization lack of massive INDUSTRIAL sector.

Do you believe it? I guess most of brainwashed mainlanders believe it.

 

[Zsari]

The biggest problem with Chinese agriculture is the tiny plots allotted to each farmer. The revenue from small plots is miniscule and running such farms is very inefficient. A 2 acre plot really doesnt need large tillers, threshers and mowers - a family armed with spades, straw hats and gumboots can too easily run a tiny plot but stay poor and barely self sufficient.

In the U.S where a small farmer might run a 400 acre plot, heavy machines makes them very efficient. Ive seen videos of orange picking machines run by one dude that can harvest 1,000,000 oranges in a day!

Here in Australia I live on a 5 acre plot but we dont farm anything. I do small time gardening on my days off and sometimes at night after work. I cant imagine making a living farming on my property!

And the root of that problem still remains that there are too many farmers to distribute the land to.

 

[Kolaps]

You have a point, but we cannot forget that balanced development did happen after the 大跃进.

You mean Mao's Great Leap Forward?

Mao thought, China don't have Industry before, don't know anything about mass production and industrial process.

If not because of HIM.

Kinda sad person.


Without Mao, Taiwan was industrialized by itself, as well all pocket of Chinese community around the world.

All East Asian have a very strong industrialist culture.

We don't need to learn hard and take a long time of learning process...

We don't need to learn about the basic of management, operating machine, mass production, division of labor, efficiency, storage management, marketing, distribution channel, chain supply, etc.

We don't need to teach our worker about hardworking, discipline, etc.

It's just booming by itself, because it was already in our culture.

 

[Zsari]

Industrial Revolution is the way how people produce good.

May be you should do research in internet about China Industrialization.

Silk Road was not just transporting a little amount of good, but millions and tons of products.


Christian KMT and CCP want to tell us about their heroic narrative, but instead their lie and evilness were busted!

You are comparing workshops to factory. Yes, large amount of products were produced that was traded across China and beyond, but they are produced by tens of thousands of workshops instead of a single factory. If your definition of industry was the development of the assembly line production, then China has done so even under the age of the first emperor, but industrial revolution is defined by power driven machinery, starting with the steam engine. China missed the industrial revolution mainly because it always had an abundance of cheap man power that power driven machines are simply not an necessity.

 

[Aepsilons]

You mean Mao's Great Leap Forward?

Mao thought, China don't have Industry before, don't know anything about mass production and industrial process.

If not because of HIM.

Kinda sad person.


Without Mao, Taiwan was industrialized by itself, as well all pocket of Chinese community around the world.

All East Asian have a very strong industrialist culture.

We don't need to learn hard and take a long time of learning process...

We don't need to learn about the basic of management, operating machine, mass production, division of labor, efficiency, storage management, marketing, distribution channel, chain supply, etc.

We don't need to teach our worker about hardworking, discipline, etc.

It's just booming by itself, because it was already in our culture.

I understand what you're referring to, friend. China had experienced industrialization as far back as the Song Dynasty and Han Dynasty. But in regards to the context of OP, China's version of the 'Industrial Revolution' that was experienced by Europe, the United States and Japan was not until the late 1960s when Zhou Enlai was Premier. China had started late in regards to industrialization in the modern sense. Europe industrialized as early as the late 18th century, the United States industrialized during the early to mid 19th century; Japan industrialized in the mid to late 19th century.

 

[cnleio]

Industrial Revolution is the way how people produce good.

May be you should do research in internet about China Industrialization.

Silk Road was not just transporting a little amount of good, but millions and tons of products.


Christian KMT and CCP want to tell us about their heroic narrative, but instead their lie and evilness were busted!




The topic is about imperial era of China, before British Industrial Revolution.

China was an AGRICULTURAL civilization lack of massive INDUSTRIAL sector.

Do you believe it? I guess most of brainwashed mainlanders believe it.

Industry Revolution => Efficiency, using machines to produce good quality goods in the shortest time.

Agriculture Industrial Revolution => Machine free labors from farm, increase farming efficiency. These extra labors can join jobs in city, both producing more goods in a Industry Revolution Time.

Why Qing's family manual workshop defeated by Britain's steam-power loom ? poor efficiency + no competitive price.

 

[Aepsilons]

Industry Revolution => Efficiency, using machines to produce good quality goods in the shortest time.

Agriculture Industrial Revolution => Machine free labors from farm, increase farming efficiency. These extra labors can join jobs in city, both making more goods in a Industry Revolution Time.

Why Qing's family manual workshop defeated by Britain's steam-power loom ? poor efficiency + no competitive price.

You forget one independent variable, bro: a) population. As early as the 18th century, China's population already exceeded 200 million. China didn't really have to necessitate industrial revolution in the sense that Europe and the United States had to due to the shear size of man power readily available. Given, China's population in the mid 19th century was already over 400 million.

Graph 1: China's population increases from Han Dynasty to current epoch

 

[cnleio]

You forget one independent variable, bro: a) population. As early as the 18th century, China's population already exceeded 200 million. China didn't really have to necessitate industrial revolution in the sense that Europe and the United States had to due to the shear size of man power readily available. Given, China's population in the mid 19th century was already over 400 million.

Graph 1: China's population increases from Han Dynasty to current epoch

The main problem is Chinese King only believe "闭关锁国 / Seclusion", China was the Middle Kingdom of Universe, they didn't need science & steam engine. When Chinese King wake up, ancient China collapsing and Chinese died by their self-conceit.

 

[Kolaps]

You are comparing workshops to factory. Yes, large amount of products were produced that was traded across China and beyond, but they are produced by tens of thousands of workshops instead of a single factory. If your definition of industry was the development of the assembly line production, then China has done so even under the age of the first emperor, but industrial revolution is defined by power driven machinery, starting with the steam engine. China missed the industrial revolution mainly because it always had an abundance of cheap man power that power driven machines are simply not an necessity.

You are falling into the Eurocentric narrative trap.

Read history please!

A wealthy Chinese industrialist and merchant have several storage buildings to store their goods. It's not a small workshop, but a massive factory complex. You also need to search about Chinese water powered machinery too.

The reason why China missed steam engine, not because Chinese people was dumb, but at the time mass produced good by machine was not as good as made by hand. Chinese people at the time were wealthy enough to purchase hand made product.

Without China, there will be no British Industrial Revolution too, as modern economy model of Europe was a copy of Chinese economy model. From free market, good transportation to mass production. That gave British advantage over another European countries until the rise of Germany.

It's not true that China was just an AGRICULTURE civilization. China had a massive agriculture sector to feed their industrial sector and export on the Silk Road. Eurocentric historian just want to look one side of China, so they can claim the other industrial side of China as theirs.

 

[Zsari]

The main problem is Chinese King only believe "闭关锁国 / Seclusion", China was the Middle Kingdom of Universe, they didn't need science & steam engine. When Chinese King wake up, ancient China collapsing and Chinese died by their self-conceit.

You know China could have developed its own steam engine if there were an economic need. Technology doesn't need to be foreign.

 

[Kolaps]

Industry Revolution => Efficiency, using machines to produce good quality goods in the shortest time.
Agriculture Industrial Revolution => Machine free labors from farm, increase farming efficiency. These extra labors can join jobs in city, both producing more goods in a Industry Revolution Time.

Why Qing's family manual workshop defeated by Britain's steam-power loom ? poor efficiency + no competitive price.

You are misinterpreting the OP meaning:

Chinese (was) Agriculture (civilization) and why it did not have an industrial revolution (unlike British)?

 

[Aepsilons]

@Kolaps , @cnleio ,

Let's re-orient the vantage point to consider colonial imperialism in relation to industrial revolution. the Industrial Revolution relied upon trade with the "underedeveloped world, and especially with that sector of it which was under effective economic or political control by Britain: the formal or informal Empire". Before 1850 South America, chiefly Brazil, served as the largest single market for British textiles, although after mid-century the East Indies became increasingly important until by the last quarter of the nineteenth century this part of the empire accounted for as much as sixty percent of Britain's textile production. Indeed, as Hobsbawm put it, after the beginning of the Great Depression in 1873, "Asia saved Lancashire" , something possible because Britain had earlier destroyed India's textile industry in order to remove potential competition . During the last quarter of the eighteenth century, British attempts to impose the same policy on the American colonies had led to their loss; in the first quarter of the next century, Britain succeeded doing in India what it had failed to do in America. During the 19th century Britain’s economic success was greatly helped by its vigorous pursuit of mercantilist and imperialist policies by which the state used protectionist measures and military power to support its merchants and industrialists. Already in the mid 19th century.

China did not have an overseas empire, like most European states during the 16th to late early 20th centuries, and thus this necessity of aggressive mercantile policies, which drove industrialization to fruition, did not take place nor was it even a factor , socially and politically.