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China’s Xinjiang-a role model for Pakistan to develop Balochistan

Lmao saviour of the human race.
And I'm pretty sure more people are piss poor in China then Pakistan. Just because you got a few millionaire doesnt mean the millions of poor people didnt die, I'm sure you wanted them to but they are still alive.


Apprently I'm the savior of the human race :cheesy:
Hahah good luck with that ; )

Saviour of human race from the baby eating beijing walker. :D
 
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And lose their origin/ culture and religion?
They never did and never do, I think other central Asian nations lost their language and even their names became Russian names, in China we never forced that, so every Uighur still has their own names and still use their language.
 
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They never did and never do, I think other central Asian nations lost their language and even their names became Russian names, in China we never forced that, so every Uighur still has their own names and still use their language.
Name is not the only cultural and religious thing about a human being!

They never did and never do, I think other central Asian nations lost their language and even their names became Russian names, in China we never forced that, so every Uighur still has their own names and still use their language.
When you need to compare with USSR (very low standard and a communist) kind of shows where you stand
 
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Where else Xinjiang can compare in central Asia? Comparing to Afghanistan...?
So it is not as great as you claimed when you need to compare it to Central Asian countries?

Why not compare it with Sweden? Denmark? You claimed the region is fastest growing, how about compare to Malaysia?
 
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So it is not as great as you claimed when you need to compare it to Central Asian countries?

Why not compare it with Sweden? Denmark? You claimed the region is fastest growing, how about compare to Malaysia?
Xinjiang is in central Asia, cultually and linguistically very close to neighboring regions, it's more reasonable to compare between the likes.

Xinjiang doesn't have many people, altogether 20 million, half the size of Beijing's population, but Xinjiang 's GDP is the highest in central Asia.

Xinjiang has the world best infrasturcture, airports, highways, bridges and tunnels, subways and bullet trains.. her infrastructure can put all western countries to shame.
 
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@Dubious @beijingwalker @Pakhtoon yum
I have a questions for you guys, but first, as China and Pakistan started getting close due to Pakistan being squeezed by the US, and Pakistan having no other options but fully embracing the Chinese camp, these situations and discussions are bound to happen. It's a very good and healthy thing but the problem is others will try to stir your soup before you could put ingredients properly (here soup is your online discussion and ingredients are your arguments), and you should be aware of that. China and Pakistan are 2 very different societies, there will be issues and there will be conflicts, these discussions will help resolve all the mindful questions if kept peaceful and civilized like an educational camp or a concentration camp if you call it.

My question here is towards @Dubious and @Pakhtoon yum,
Why do you believe that Western propaganda videos that you believe in so much are actually what they tell you they are? and not believe in Chinese propaganda videos? (Here I am calling all those promoted videos as propaganda as I have no means of verifying that those are really what they are). @Pakhtoon yum asked @beijingwalker very authoritatively to go to Xinjiang to prove all the western videos as false and propaganda, he would but why not first you prove that those propaganda videos are actually telling the truth. Why don't you go to Xinjiang and prove that all is well or not?
We had a transport business between China and Pakistan, (our business was even used by Pak Army in Kargil War :), won't go too much in details here), Pakistani drivers/businessmen go to Xinjiang, tell me which one brought back a shred of evidence that this western propaganda is true?

@beijingwalker, when you say everything in Xinjiang is peaceful and no forceful education is going on, and then you post a video of girls dancing around, in your mind you thing look it's so peaceful, but to a Pakistani, you took the head scarf from that girl, took the place mate from her to pray to Allah and handed her over a guitar, that is not acceptable to us. Muslims don't really do well if you try to re-educate us, but hey it's your country if those Muslims have any problem, they will raise their voice and you will/should listen to them.

Important point of all Pakistanis:
Problem with Chinese is that they are straight forward people, while English is not their native language, so couple this with the way most of the time we Pakistanis say things in a very ambiguous way, which becomes very hard for them to properly interpret to the exact meaning that were in the our head while speaking it.
I am saying this because I chose a Chinese dominant community here in US to live in and to buy my house in, and they are all around me so I have a lot of interaction with them on per day basis. I will tell a joke and that will go right above in the air, and now I know I have to tell a straight forward joke any ambiguous joke won't cut it with them. I will beg to the Pakistani community here on PDF to be straight forward with our Chinese friends, at least when discussion is serious.
 
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Why do you believe that Western propaganda videos that you believe in so much are actually what they tell you they are? and not believe in Chinese propaganda videos? (Here I am calling all those promoted videos as propaganda as I have no means of verifying that those are really what they are).
There is always some truth to somethings...now the degree at which they are blown out of proportion is very questionable!

Like for instance a journalist in Pakistan can be kidnapped...The news will be aired: Journalist kidnapped (truth) :tortured for hours (blown out of proportion)

It is how MOST media agencies work! They will never publish 100% fake...but 0.1% has to be true!

We cant call all Chinese efforts as bad- MAYBE one was! And every country covers up failures before success is reached!

Muslims don't really do well if you try to re-educate us, but hey it's your country if those Muslims have any problem, they will raise their voice and you will/should listen to them.
When you put it that way you dont really sound unbiased!

they are straight forward people,
Not really...compared with Finnish and other Europeans, Chinese have learnt the art of hiding and denying much better than any other! I dont blame them and it is not always a bad thing!
Politicians around the world are trying to master it too!

I am saying this because I chose a Chinese dominant community here in US to live in and to buy my house in, and they are all around me so I have a lot of interaction with them on per day basis.
Are you talking about Chinese fresh off the boat or Chinese who have integrated into American society? I can easily tell you there is a big difference!
 
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When you put it that way you dont really sound unbiased!
Well I don't think we do, at least not most of us Muslims take $hit very lightly. Ab agar usay main yeh kahun ke bhai Musalmaan twadi aysi ke tesi kar dain gay agar tum humain re-educate karo to us ne to or darr jana tha na :)
Not really...compared with Finnish and other Europeans, Chinese have learnt the art of hiding and denying much better than any other! I dont blame them and it is not always a bad thing!
Politicians around the world are trying to master it too!
Not sure what's making you so sure to think like that, but my daily interactions are telling me otherwise, one simple sentence mixed with a little ambiguity will confuse them and will have to explain to them to correctly send the exact message you wanted.
Are you talking about Chinese fresh off the boat or Chinese who have integrated into American society? I can easily tell you there is a big difference!
Not sure if there is a community here built for only new Chinese :), they are mix, like the family right in front of my home are new and have moved in to US some 6 years ago. on the right are very old, on the left 2 houses down is a very new family (as they just bought that house) but they moved from another place from within US, so not new in US. Looking all around, there is this mix.
 
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Well I don't think we do, at least not most of us Muslims take $hit very lightly. Ab agar usay main yeh kahun ke bhai Musalmaan twadi aysi ke tesi kar dain gay agar tum humain re-educate karo to us ne to or darr jana tha na :)
tou kehnay ki kiya zaroorat hai internet warrior? You really needed to show who you are?

Not sure what's making you so sure to think like that, but my daily interactions are telling me otherwise, one simple sentence mixed with a little ambiguity will confuse them and will have to explain to them to correctly send the exact message you wanted.
Then they should humble themselves and instead of trolling ASK what xyz means if they dont understand!

Xinjiang is in central Asia, cultually and linguistically very close to neighboring regions, it's more reasonable to compare between the likes.
How about with Turkey?

No we are not comparing THEIR CULTURE...but WHAT CHINA is doing to ENDANGER their culture?!

Xinjiang doesn't have many people, altogether 20 million, half the size of Beijing's population, but Xinjiang 's GDP is the highest in central Asia.
Does that negate the fact that their culture/ history and religion is not protected?

Xinjiang has the world best infrasturcture, airports, highways, bridges and tunnels, subways and bullet trains.. her infrastructure can put all western countries to shame.
Still doesnt answer my question! WHAT ABOUT THEIR HISTORY/ CULTURE AND RELIGION?
 
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tou kehnay ki kiya zaroorat hai internet warrior? You really needed to show who you are?
Who are you? a kid?
Reported for this unwarranted remark, and coming from a moderator, unbelievable. Arguments are out, no worries, reload with curses and shoot shoot shoot, awesome.
@WebMaster @Horus @waz , fantastic choice of a moderator you guys, bravo.
 
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@Pakhtoon yum

u do know without china support pakistanis will be under bjp control? our culture is already half hindu.
What are you smoking? Seems very strong

Who are you? a kid?
Reported for this unwarranted remark, and coming from a moderator, unbelievable. Arguments are out, no worries, reload with curses and shoot shoot shoot, awesome.
@WebMaster @Horus @waz , fantastic choice of a moderator you guys, bravo.
And who are you?

@Dubious @beijingwalker @Pakhtoon yum
I have a questions for you guys, but first, as China and Pakistan started getting close due to Pakistan being squeezed by the US, and Pakistan having no other options but fully embracing the Chinese camp, these situations and discussions are bound to happen. It's a very good and healthy thing but the problem is others will try to stir your soup before you could put ingredients properly (here soup is your online discussion and ingredients are your arguments), and you should be aware of that. China and Pakistan are 2 very different societies, there will be issues and there will be conflicts, these discussions will help resolve all the mindful questions if kept peaceful and civilized like an educational camp or a concentration camp if you call it.

My question here is towards @Dubious and @Pakhtoon yum,
Why do you believe that Western propaganda videos that you believe in so much are actually what they tell you they are? and not believe in Chinese propaganda videos? (Here I am calling all those promoted videos as propaganda as I have no means of verifying that those are really what they are). @Pakhtoon yum asked @beijingwalker very authoritatively to go to Xinjiang to prove all the western videos as false and propaganda, he would but why not first you prove that those propaganda videos are actually telling the truth. Why don't you go to Xinjiang and prove that all is well or not?
We had a transport business between China and Pakistan, (our business was even used by Pak Army in Kargil War :), won't go too much in details here), Pakistani drivers/businessmen go to Xinjiang, tell me which one brought back a shred of evidence that this western propaganda is true?

@beijingwalker, when you say everything in Xinjiang is peaceful and no forceful education is going on, and then you post a video of girls dancing around, in your mind you thing look it's so peaceful, but to a Pakistani, you took the head scarf from that girl, took the place mate from her to pray to Allah and handed her over a guitar, that is not acceptable to us. Muslims don't really do well if you try to re-educate us, but hey it's your country if those Muslims have any problem, they will raise their voice and you will/should listen to them.

Important point of all Pakistanis:
Problem with Chinese is that they are straight forward people, while English is not their native language, so couple this with the way most of the time we Pakistanis say things in a very ambiguous way, which becomes very hard for them to properly interpret to the exact meaning that were in the our head while speaking it.
I am saying this because I chose a Chinese dominant community here in US to live in and to buy my house in, and they are all around me so I have a lot of interaction with them on per day basis. I will tell a joke and that will go right above in the air, and now I know I have to tell a straight forward joke any ambiguous joke won't cut it with them. I will beg to the Pakistani community here on PDF to be straight forward with our Chinese friends, at least when discussion is serious.
Why dont you go ask the Chinese refugees in Pakistan. That should clear things up

Hahah good luck with that ; )

Saviour of human race from the baby eating beijing walker. :D
According to him even the guy that stands up to a bully in school is a savior of the human race. They arent used to such actions. Communism can make people do weird things

Our argument is " concentration camps" or " vocational training schools" , if we can't agree on this, the argument is pointless, I'll say let's see how things develop and change in Xinjiang, Xinjiang now enjoys highest GDP growth in China, almost every family for the first time in histotry can afford private cars, government houses, higher education and universal health care, 10 years from now, Xinjiang will become a very developed region going this way.


Ok, whatever you believe, whatever makes you happy.
This isnt some game that makes me feel happy. This is for the fakes of million of muslims.
 
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And who are you?
Read that post again, I don't think you are waz, horus or webmaster? are you one of them????

Why dont you go ask the Chinese refugees in Pakistan. That should clear things up
Why should I, you are the one propagating and paddling lies, why don't you start coming up with proof??
(Sorry, I am calling you a lair until you provide proof, otherwise it's not my intention to suppress your voice if our Muslim brothers are being persecuted in Xinjiang, so I will ask my partners in Gilgit, Jiglot and Astor about this, also will ask my friends in Gilgit, Tor Ghar, Thakot and Battagram and my brothers in Islamabad, Abbottabad and Mansehra, and as I am soon visiting Pakistan, therefore will appreciate an address of Chinese Refugee camp in Paksitan, so I can visit personally and spread their story further).
By the way those "REFUGEES" are specifically from Xinjiang and from recent years, right?
Thanks for your help and Information in this regard.
 
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A racist often calls others racists, cause racism is always in their mind and they can't think of anything without thinking it first.

The amount of time you spend here posting the same "Everything is great" spam combined with how you handle the criticism thrown your way (making false equivalencies and strawmen argument or just repetitive hyper-boasting).....says much more than anything you declare/impugn on others here.

You are everything that is wrong with one that got used to sycophancy to accumulate ego....to fill a miserable void stemming from very base emotions and a cocooned groupthink echo chamber.

Maybe its result of your upbringing, maybe its your job....maybe its both...whatever it is...its very tacky and "sheep bleating its a wolf" kind of thing.

In the the end, there is lot of real reasoning why people worldwide have an impression on mainland visitor tour groups for example. A wise person would introspect all of that and form a better perspective with some degree of nuance when talking to other nationalities.....but here you are unable to debate, discuss and form some compromise in even some limited way. You are way to brittle....and we all know what happens eventually to brittle things....its a question of when, not if.

@Pakhtoon yum

u do know without china support pakistanis will be under bjp control? our culture is already half hindu.

The sycophancy doesn't really get worse than this @Desert Fox
 
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