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China's Resentment Problem

@xesy, it is just a flamebait to try to ruin this interestimg thread. Their tactic is usually to cause a flame war in a perfectly good thread and then they will ask the mods to close or delete the thread.

Dont fall for their trap. I recommend you to delete your post and dont give them any undeserved attention.

There was one leader in modern Chinese History that stands out from all the rest, tho, however. I revere him, personally, and he is also revered highly in Japan. Dr. Sun Yat Sen.

How I wish Japan had our own version of him. What a leader he would have been for Japan....

I agree with you bro, thats why I said only said “most” chinese. I too respect Dr. Sun Yat Sen.

I gotta log out now. I will write that post I promised in the next few days.
 
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@xesy, it is just a flamebait to try to ruin this interestimg thread. Their tactic is usually to cause a flame war in a perfectly good thread and then they will ask the mods to close or delete the thread.

Dont fall for their trap. I recommend you to delete your post and dont give them any undeserved attention.
Thanks, man. There is much for me to learn.
 
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Most Chinese have a different concept of “justice” from other people, and it is embedded in their culture and social ethos. Discussing the idea of resentment, forgiveness, etc. with Chinese friends would just end up talking pass each other because we have different philosophical understanding of more fundamental concept such as justice, harmony, etc. It has nothing to do with modernity, adoption of liberal democracy, etc. as our friend is trying to present it to be.


Interesting. Do expand on this.
 
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Most Chinese have a different concept of “justice” from other people, and it is embedded in their culture and social ethos. Discussing the idea of resentment, forgiveness, etc. with Chinese friends would just end up talking pass each other because we have different philosophical understanding of more fundamental concept such as justice, harmony, etc. It has nothing to do with modernity, adoption of liberal democracy, etc. as our friend is trying to present it to be.

I will try to write on this later.

Don't take too long. I'm interested in seeing what you have to say. Remember that for all of Vietnam's history, lasting several millennia, it was a Chinese province, at least culturally and mentally if not politically. China was the only philosophical/intellectual influence on Vietnam. You had no written language except ours, and written language is the basis of abstract thought. So it's astonishing to think that your ideas about justice and harmony could be so different from ours.
 
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My friend, we are trying to have an intellectual discourse here. Please write your childish rant elsewhere, your typical PDF chinese flamebait won’t work on me.

Nothing childish. You are by far the most resentful and unforgiving people in the region. Resentful over an act of justice to stop your expansionism.

I wouldn't call Chinese feeling "resentment" either but righteous anger, directed at perpetrators. Last I checked, we didn't murder Japanese even if their assets were vandalized.
 
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Seems, still Chinese wrong, Japanese still don't introspect deeply, it remind me a report, A Japanese famous animator push government apologize for war against China, but he said, China can't be controled through war, should find other ways. Hehe, Japanese still want control China.

Why China is resentful about the war between Japan and China? one reson is its animal atrocity; another more important reason is Japanese indifference, for them what they introspect is mainly why they failed in that war, but not the damage that it took on other country, maybe they know, maybe not, but all can reflect Japanese indifference.

Chinese is resentful to Japanese, but the resentment don't blind us, maybe for you, one of the purposes is that hoping the resentment become a China's problem, we know become strong is the only way to avoid the humilation happen again, we still remember the history and humilation, but your japanese still be safe in China, we know what should do, we don't harm these Japanese in China.

Even after that war, Chinese still be kind to the Japanese capture and immigrator In China, gave them food, some Japanese children be raise to adult, and back to Japan, if we are blinded by resentment, these Japanese should be killed, As a 5000 year civilization, Chinese is much more mature than Japanese.

I don't like Japanese, Japanese seems very politely, but just surfacely, this kind of human always very abnormal, disguishing, especially when they are not shackled by outside power, Japanese thinking mode is very special, different with China and Western, in fact, Korean have some common character with Japanese, the different, Korean is much weaker.

Japanese, when you see the resentment is China's problem, whether you really find you own problem?

Last word, Japanese, what you should more concern on, is not China resentment to Japan, is yourself, China resentment is not cause, but effect, Chinese are watching you, if there will be really another war between China and Japan, you will see or can't see a real tragedy, at right time, China's resentment is not only China's problem, but also Japan's problem.

Nothing childish. You are by far the most resentful and unforgiving people in the region. Resentful over an act of justice to stop your expansionism.

I wouldn't call Chinese feeling "resentment" either but righteous anger, directed at perpetrators. Last I checked, we didn't murder Japanese even if their assets were vandalized.
What Vietnamese make me sick is, these guy know nothing or little, but pretend to be expert, hehe.

History recorded by Chinese, the literature also writed by Chinese, what they can know? some Vietamese idiot don't know what's Han and Hakka, but show its idiotic comments, what a big joke!
 
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Vietnamese talking about resentment when they were so angry about being punished in 1400 that they allowed the French to colonize them in 1800s.
That must be a main reason that his ancestors formed so-called "wisdom".
 
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When China’s leaders look at the outside world, what do they feel? Admiration? Love? Envy? Perhaps even pity or arrogance? From time to time, Chinese leaders sound like they shared all of these different attitudes. Even something as seemingly insignificant as Premier Li Keqiang going out of his way to praise any non-Chinese looking journalist who asked a question in Mandarin at his annual press conference in mid-March betrays something of what key Chinese think of the world around them. It’s a mixture of confidence verging on arrogance about China and its unique cultural, social, and historic attributes, often tinged with brittleness and shades of vulnerability, with flattery deployed to cover this over.

In The Improbable War, a stimulating and short book published recently, London School of Economics professor of international relations Christopher Coker hones in on one emotion in particular that he finds characterizes the current mood of China’s geopolitical self-image and the ways it ‘feels’ toward the outside world. This mood can be summarized as a constellation of feelings clustered around resentment.

Zheng Wang in his excellent Never Forget National Humiliation wrote in some detail about the “inner lives” of Chinese people. The historic narratives promoted by China’s government support the idea of victimhood, of the Chinese people finally emerging from a long period as colonially repressed and bullied subjects. This feeling of being put upon is the passive side of the coin. The active side, resentment, comes when people start considering actions like revenge — getting even or rectifying history’s injustices.

Coker divines in China a strong element of self-pity giving rise to more revengeful attitudes. He writes, “The problem with the Chinese Communist Party’s rendering of the past is that it encourages the Chinese people to remain frozen in a time of humiliation.” That is a highly negative frame of mind to be stuck in, and it drives some of the seemingly irrational ways in which China lashes out at the world around it.

This year, as both Li and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi made clear last week, will see the 70th anniversary of the ending of the Pacific War. China was an ally of Europe and the U.S. in that war and played a major part, something which is often forgotten today, The real problem for this commemoration, however, is that it involves a relationship that enflames China’s strongest resentment – ties with Japan. Asked if Japan would be involved in the events planned in Beijing later this year, Wang, himself a Japan specialist, was evasive. An uncharitable interpretation of his tone would have said it was unwelcoming.

Visionary leaders might understand, as Coker’s comment implies, that while resentment after such a history is understandable, if it carries on too long it can become a debilitating and limiting frame of mind. Chinese leaders might decide that their journey to great nation status entails embracing more positive emotions. The U.S. can be the model here. Its national mood can be characterized in many ways, but resentment would not be one of them. For China, the 70th anniversary might be a moment to forgive some of the past, but not forget it — whatever the attitude of Japan. Forgiveness, after all, can be primarily for the benefit of the forgiver, rather than the one being forgiven.

Part of Xi’s “China dream” should involve moving away from resentfulness and embracing a more generous feeling toward the outside world. But there are few reasons to be optimistic at the moment that an emotional reset is remotely on the cards. Far from being an affirmation of reconciliation and new beginnings, it looks like the 70th anniversary is going to settle into the template created some decades ago – China keen to remind Japan in particular of its history of victimhood, and Japan accusing China of exploiting past pain for current gain.

The net result of this is that the rest of the world, while respectful of what is being commemorated, will want to keep their distance because of current politics. That will keep much of the world from joining in and both remembering and reflecting on a terrible war, but a war that has long ended. And that would be a pity, in view of the enormous contribution of China to the war effort, but is understandable in view of Beijing’s current resentful mood.



Reference: The Diplomat
You should tackle Japan's Excessive Bending Over to the US Problem first.
 
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No need to resent. Our manifest destiny is in our blood. Chairman Mao unleashed the power. Now Chairman Xi will totally overthrow the established international order to realize our manifest destiny!

Don't be so quick to agree with his statements...
CNN - Photos document brutality in Shanghai - Sept. 23, 1996

"The photos, taken by a Swiss photographer near Shanghai in 1937, all depict the brutality of Chinese soldiers toward Japanese prisoners and Shanghai residents accused of helping the Japanese as they began their military conquest of China.

The photos are so disturbing that Tom Simmen, who was in Shanghai on business and asked to witness the executions by the Chinese, kept them hidden away. But he told his son to make them public."


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After the Japanese surrender, Chiang Kai-shek had the opportunity to massacre all 1.5 million Japanese soldiers after they disarmed. He failed to do it. Mere five years later, the Chinese people overthrew his regime. If Mao was in charge, he would have turned the Japanese soldiers into sushi!

Vietnamese talking about resentment when they were so angry about being punished in 1400 that they allowed the French to colonize them in 1800s.
LOL at Viets. They are always ruled by Chinese, French, American or Japanese!
 
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After the Japanese surrender, Chiang Kai-shek had the opportunity to massacre all 1.5 million Japanese soldiers. He failed to do it. Mere five years later, the Chinese people overthrew his regime. If Mao was in charge, he would have turned the Japanese soldiers into sushi!

There were over 100,000 US troops in China watching over the surrender process.

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Japanese surrendering to US military in China (handing over swords)

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US soldiers Tianjin

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Lieutenant General Ginnosuke Uchida, commanding the Japanese 118th Division, signs the surrender documents for Japanese forces in Tientsin

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Another surrender to US forces in China.

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It is natural for USA and West to try to curtail China's development, because their current high standard of living is predicated on them having far superior military edge and using that to hold the rest of the World to ransom, and force them to buy into their paper money ponzi scheme. From this scheme, they have been getting plenty of goods and raw materials, cheaply, from 3rd World and developing nations, in return for intrinsically worthless paper/digital currency. A powerful China that wants to break away from this ponzi scheme, and return World trade to a more fair one, which exchanges real tangible goods and materials, scares the hell out of the West and its lackeys. This is why they are trying to defame and slur China at every opportunity, and turn the World against China, because they know China is the biggest threat to their hold on power and the World's purse-strings.

The World needs to ignore Western propaganda and understand change does not have to be bad or worse. Getting away from the Petrodollar ponzi scheme is actually better for everybody, except for USA and its lapdogs.
 
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There were over 100,000 US troops in China watching over the surrender process.

JapanSurrenderToChinaAndUSMarines-5-480x324.jpg

Japanese surrendering to US military in China (handing over swords)

JapanSurrenderToChinaAndUSMarines-6-480x357.jpg

US soldiers Tianjin

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Lieutenant General Ginnosuke Uchida, commanding the Japanese 118th Division, signs the surrender documents for Japanese forces in Tientsin

Jap-General-surrender.jpg

Another surrender to US forces in China.

JapanSurrenderToChinaAndUSMarines-3-656x450.jpg
All Allied forces in China were under Chinese command. McArthur threw a fit but Truman brought him back in line. We are generous. You could have kept some of the Japanese soldiers for labor camps.
 
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