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China's new passenger jet finishes first long-haul flight

Ohhh yes, We know that chinese tanks and rifles are world famous. US and Israel steals the technology from china.



Yes Tajas. You ran way from facing tejas at Bahrain. It does not fall like J10 which has scored 9 number of fall in 2 years.

Chinese tanks and howitzer are being exported to Kuwait, SA. Rich arab countries. What about india ?

According to wikipedia

Role Multirole light fighter
National origin India
Manufacturer Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL)
Design group Aeronautical Development Agency
First flight 4 January 2001
Introduction 17 January 2015[1]
Status In service[2]
Primary user Indian Air Force
Produced 2001–present
Number built 21 (including prototypes as of July 2017)


Role Multirole combat aircraft
National origin China
Manufacturer Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group
Design group Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute
First flight 23 March 1998[1]
Introduction 2006[2]
Status In service
Primary user People's Liberation Army Air Force
Produced 2002 – present[3]
Number built ~400[4]


 
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Ohhh yes, We know that chinese tanks and rifles are world famous. US and Israel steals the technology from china.



Yes Tajas. You ran way from facing tejas at Bahrain. It does not fall like J10 which has scored 9 number of fall in 2 years.
Don't have to be world famous, but at least we export them. You ever seen an Indian tank or rifle exported? Nobody buys Indian weapons. Hey who says only 10 J-10s crash, if it makes you feel better, actually 50 fell. How can we even compare our crash rates to the safest air force on earth.
Indian Air Force Making World Record, Crashing 500 Planes In 20 Years
http://indiandefence.com/threads/in...record-crashing-500-planes-in-20-years.11827/

Not even sure China can achieve such level of competency in crashing planes.:china:
 
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Now, if the Chinese government demands and even forces Chinese airline companies to use exclusively Chinese aircrafts, then a market exist regardless of quality.

Market will exist, but can it be maintained if the aircraft is substandard, especially in areas of reliability and maintainability? Though China has a huge and captive market China will want to sell this aircraft internationally too. Chinese airlines may have to take the aircraft, but if it doesn’t meet their expectations, it will hurt the aircraft chances elsewhere.
 
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Market will exist, but can it be maintained if the aircraft is substandard, especially in areas of reliability and maintainability? Though China has a huge and captive market China will want to sell this aircraft internationally too. Chinese airlines may have to take the aircraft, but if it doesn’t meet their expectations, it will hurt the aircraft chances elsewhere.

The chinese arent dumb to slap his own face.

Considering the chinese scientific approach towards the entire project unlike the TEJAS project, back and forth, flicker mindedness :D
 
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The chinese arent dumb to slap his own face.

Considering the chinese scientific approach towards the entire project unlike the TEJAS project, back and forth, flicker mindedness :D

True. The Chinese at least learn from their mistakes.
 
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Market will exist, but can it be maintained if the aircraft is substandard, especially in areas of reliability and maintainability? Though China has a huge and captive market China will want to sell this aircraft internationally too. Chinese airlines may have to take the aircraft, but if it doesn’t meet their expectations, it will hurt the aircraft chances elsewhere.

You have knelled too long, Indian, stand up and believe yourself

Why you think only Europeans and American can make quality airplane, not other people?

Wait and see
 
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Market will exist, but can it be maintained if the aircraft is substandard, especially in areas of reliability and maintainability? Though China has a huge and captive market China will want to sell this aircraft internationally too. Chinese airlines may have to take the aircraft, but if it doesn’t meet their expectations, it will hurt the aircraft chances elsewhere.
Cold War era Soviet designed/built airliners shares the same philosophy as that of combat aircrafts: focus on a main purpose and pretty much ignore or paid little attention to everything else.

The result is that Soviet airliners earned their reputation of being of lower quality in everything that would make a desirable human transport. Besides, there was the psychology involved in that Soviet airliners were designed in mind with being quickly turned into military transport if necessary. That mindset affected how the aircrafts were initially conceptualized.

Perception is fickle, I will grant you that. However, you should also understand that perception has many owners and that is where it gets dangerous for the seller. The aircraft maybe structurally more robust than required and functionally just as capable as its competitors, but if other qualities, such as noise and comfort, are ignored or minimized, no amount of PR campaign can save the aircraft.

If the Chinese government make captive the entirety of internal air traffic to only Chinese airliners, there is no telling if the Chinese government will use trade pressure on other countries, particularly developing countries that do not have as stringent air travel guidelines as the Western market, to support the sale of Chinese airliners.

However, I doubt that this 'worst case' scenario will occur. The Chinese are more conscious of 'face' than the Soviets/Russians do. The Chinese economy is not as closed a system as that of the Russian and its smaller Soviet bloc economies. As such, the Chinese product will be closely scrutinized especially when the Chinese designers/builders are willing to subject their products to all Western standards on what make an acceptable aircraft.

Here is a readable article on how a new aircraft is tested...

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/boeings-test-protocol-new-planes-beat-oblivion/

Here is a relevant note...
For a brand new kind of plane, the regimen demands 4,000 to 5,000 hours in the air, in a series of roughly four-hour flights. Because the 787-10 is just a variant of the 787, it gets cleared for service after about a quarter of that.
The Chinese airliner will NOT get that latitude. Unless the Chinese government successfully bribed all the Western testing officials involved, the Chinese airliner will undergo full inspection and testing. Five thousand hrs is a lot of flying and it must be thru all the common environment like the tropic to the desert. Qualifying a new aircraft is always a money losing period. The Chinese cannot afford to field test an inferior competitor.
 
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Cold War era Soviet designed/built airliners shares the same philosophy as that of combat aircrafts: focus on a main purpose and pretty much ignore or paid little attention to everything else.

The result is that Soviet airliners earned their reputation of being of lower quality in everything that would make a desirable human transport. Besides, there was the psychology involved in that Soviet airliners were designed in mind with being quickly turned into military transport if necessary. That mindset affected how the aircrafts were initially conceptualized.

Perception is fickle, I will grant you that. However, you should also understand that perception has many owners and that is where it gets dangerous for the seller. The aircraft maybe structurally more robust than required and functionally just as capable as its competitors, but if other qualities, such as noise and comfort, are ignored or minimized, no amount of PR campaign can save the aircraft.

If the Chinese government make captive the entirety of internal air traffic to only Chinese airliners, there is no telling if the Chinese government will use trade pressure on other countries, particularly developing countries that do not have as stringent air travel guidelines as the Western market, to support the sale of Chinese airliners.

However, I doubt that this 'worst case' scenario will occur. The Chinese are more conscious of 'face' than the Soviets/Russians do. The Chinese economy is not as closed a system as that of the Russian and its smaller Soviet bloc economies. As such, the Chinese product will be closely scrutinized especially when the Chinese designers/builders are willing to subject their products to all Western standards on what make an acceptable aircraft.

Here is a readable article on how a new aircraft is tested...

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/boeings-test-protocol-new-planes-beat-oblivion/

Here is a relevant note...

The Chinese airliner will NOT get that latitude. Unless the Chinese government successfully bribed all the Western testing officials involved, the Chinese airliner will undergo full inspection and testing. Five thousand hrs is a lot of flying and it must be thru all the common environment like the tropic to the desert. Qualifying a new aircraft is always a money losing period. The Chinese cannot afford to field test an inferior competitor.
C919 just need to be sold alone in Chinese market will be success and volume sold will be enough to be the 3 big three (Boeing, Airbus , Comac). The world most profitable aviation market is China. All China airliner are state owned. All state liner will need to buy C919 even its flying coffin. No matter what slayer says, C919 is destinate to be success.
 
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You build sub standard products and who needs cheap goods or those who can not buy goods from any other place buys it.

We export our defense stuff to many countries like Vietnam, Myanmar, Srilanka, Oman and many other countries.

List the amount of tanks/plane India exports :D

Your thought process is flawed. SA has access to most of USA arsenal but they still choose Chinese product.

Another example will be chinese UAV. Cheaper and just as good as US's UAV.
 
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C919 just need to be sold alone in Chinese market will be success and volume sold will be enough to be the 3 big three (Boeing, Airbus , Comac). The world most profitable aviation market is China. All China airliner are state owned. All state liner will need to buy C919 even its flying coffin. No matter what slayer says, C919 is destinate to be success.
We can safely assume that YOU will never put yourself into the test to see if the C919 is a FUNCTIONAL success.

Notice I said 'functional' but not 'commercial' success. But I doubt you can tell the difference.
 
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We can safely assume that YOU will never put yourself into the test to see if the C919 is a FUNCTIONAL success.

Notice I said 'functional' but not 'commercial' success. But I doubt you can tell the difference.
You are just jealous of C919 will be the big 3. Let me repeat again. China state airliner are all state control. They are instructed to buy C919 in certain numbers. Capitalism success is determined by money. Chinese has the money and market. Cry whatever you want. :lol:
 
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You are just jealous of C919 will be the big 3. Let me repeat again. China state airliner are all state control. They are instructed to buy C919 in certain numbers. Capitalism success is determined by money. Chinese has the money and market. Cry whatever you want. :lol:
:enjoy::china:
 
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You are just jealous of C919 will be the big 3. Let me repeat again. China state airliner are all state control. They are instructed to buy C919 in certain numbers. Capitalism success is determined by money. Chinese has the money and market. Cry whatever you want. :lol:
Kid, if I was 'jealous' of the C919, given what I know of aviation, I could have savaged the jet a looooooooong time ago. Instead, none of you Chinese on this forum can find a single negative comment from me about the jet.

The bottom line is this...If a product is a forced purchase, then it is not a success. Even you Chinese can understand that.
 
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Kid, if I was 'jealous' of the C919, given what I know of aviation, I could have savaged the jet a looooooooong time ago. Instead, none of you Chinese on this forum can find a single negative comment from me about the jet.

The bottom line is this...If a product is a forced purchase, then it is not a success. Even you Chinese can understand that.

Meh... Judging by how unsuccessful the F22 jet is. I guess it was the correct decision for Lockheed to close its production line. YEAH !
 
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