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Way back in early 1990s, National Geographics has an article mentioning China as the last nation on planet earth to operate Steam Trains on regular runs.

Today China is among the top few super fast train builders. It is amazing how much China has progressed.

I have taken the MAGLEV in Shanghai, the metro in Shanghai and Shenzhen. They are all excellent. Hope on the next trip I would get a chance to ride on the new trains from Shenzhen to Shanghai or Beijing.
 
Thank You for everyone's respones to my queries. Seems like the aeroplanes still dominant when it comes to speed but at a higher price, HS trains on the other hand provides more environmentally friendly services.

Also heard China is proposing to other countries to provide HSR to connect all the way from China to Europe, what are the current progress? Any countries accepted it yet?

Thanks again
 
Thank You for everyone's responses to my queries. Seems like the airplanes still dominant when it comes to speed but at a higher price, HS trains on the other hand provides more environmentally friendly services.

Also heard China is proposing to other countries to provide HSR to connect all the way from China to Europe, what are the current progress? Any countries accepted it yet?

Thanks again

To connect China to Europe, the HSR will have to pass through Central Asian and Mideastern countries. This is a long-term project, because the Central Asian countries probably can't afford HSR. Some sort of financing or loan for pass-through-tariff (of transporting goods through their country) deal will have to be negotiated.

China to build a high-speed railway between Mecca and Medina | MR's Blog

"China to build a high-speed railway between Mecca and Medina

* Author: MR
* Filed under: China, Islam, Saudi Arabia
* Date: Feb 11,2009 | 04:05 PM

China to build Mecca rail system

China has signed an agreement with Saudi Arabia to build a new railway system linking the main sites of the annual Muslim pilgrimage, the Hajj.

The new railway will connect the city of Mecca with the pilgrim destinations of Mina, Arafat and Muzdalifah.

Saudi Arabia also plans to build a high-speed rail link to take pilgrims from Mecca to Medina, Islam’s two holiest cities, in 30 minutes.

The journey time by road can take anywhere between four and five hours.

Millions of Islamic faithful descend on Mecca during the annual mass pilgrimage.

The new network in Saudi Arabia is expected to be ready within three years, with one section of the line due to be completed in time for the 2010 Hajj, officials said.

The contract, worth almost $1.8bn (£1.24bn), was awarded to the China Railway Company and a French firm.

The project was announced during a three-day visit by the Chinese President, Hu Jintao, to Saudi Arabia.

China is becoming a key contractor on infrastructure projects in the oil-rich kingdom.

Source via Ismaeel"

Haramain High Speed Rail Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"System, Saudi Railway Organization. Status, Phase I under construction. Termini, Medina Mecca. Stations, 5. Daily ridership, 38000 ..."

"Construction
Phase I

The 6·79 billion riyal (US$ 1.8 billion)) design and construction contract for Phase I Package 1 – Civil Works for the project was awarded in March 2009 to Al Rajhi Alliance.[2] which comprises China Railway Construction Corporation (CRCC), Al Arrab Contracting Company Ltd, Al Suwailem Company and the French electricity generating and high-speed rail company Alstom Transport. It is cooperating with the consultant Office of Union Engineering Company (K&A). Scott Wilson Group will provide project management support.[8] [9]"
 
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Here is the sequence of steps to realizing a China-Central Asia-Mideast-Europe HSR. Firstly, build affordable normal rail to connect all of those countries and regions. Secondly, collect passenger fares and goods-transport fees. Use profits from normal rail line and external financing to build High-Speed Rail (i.e. HSR) from China to Europe.

China to build $2bn railway for Iran - Telegraph

"China to build $2bn railway for Iran
China is poised to sign a $2bn (£1.3bn) deal to build a railway line in Iran in the first step of a wider plan to tie the Middle East and Central Asia to Beijing.

By Malcolm Moore in Shanghai
Published: 6:15AM BST 07 Sep 2010

chinatrains1709759c.jpg

The Chinese have already built a railway line serving Tibet, above, and now plan a modern variant on the old 'Silk Road' through Central Asia (Photo: AP)

China's railways minister, Liu Zhijun, is expected to visit Tehran this week to seal the deal, according to his Iranian counterpart, Hamid Behbahani.

"The final document of the contract has already been signed with a Chinese company and the Chinese minister will visit Iran on September 12 to ink the agreement," said Mr Behbahani.

The new line will run from Tehran to the town of Khosravi on the border with Iraq, around 360 miles as the crow flies, passing through Arak, Hamedan and Kermanshah.

Eventually, the Iranian government said, the route could link Iran with Iraq and even Syria as part of a Middle-Eastern corridor. That could also benefit the 5,000 Iranians who make pilgrimages each day to the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala in Iraq.

Nicklas Swanstrom, the executive director of the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute at Johns Hopkins University, said the contract to build the line was the first step for China to build an entire rail infrastructure for central Asia.

"It makes sense that if you build railways in Iran, you then get deals to stretch the lines into central Asia," he said, referring to a "very concrete plan" to run a railway from Iran through the landlocked countries of Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and eventually to Kashgar in China, in a modern "silk route".

That line would give the central Asian states vital access to Iran's port of Chahbahar on the shores of the Persian Gulf, and could also eventually give China a vital overland freight route to Europe.

"For China, it could cut the cost of transporting goods to Europe by 5pc or 6pc," said Professor Swanstrom.

"It also makes political sense, because while technically the US, Europe or Russia could block China's sea routes, it would also have a land route. And by tying your neighbour's infrastructure to you, it brings them closer," he added. "It decreases Russia's influence in the region, and definitely decreases the influence of the US and Europe."

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, raised the idea of the new railway earlier this year at a summit in Tehran.

Transport ministers from Tajikistan, Afghanistan and Iran are expected to gather in Dushanbe, the Tajik capital formerly known as Stalinabad, next month to firm up a deal for a 1,225-mile route. The Asian Development Bank is funding a feasibility study for the project.

Iran is determined to forge tighter links with its neighbours, and rebuild itself as a trade hub, in order to build a regional alliance that would support it against Nato countries.

At the beginning of last month, Mr Ahmadinejad said Tajikistan, Afghanistan and Iran should join forces to become "an obstacle" to Western influence in the region.

Iran has pointedly not signed up to European Union plans for a trade corridor through Europe, the Caucasus and Asia, and has instead busied itself with bilateral agreements with its neighbours. Reza Rahimi, the Iranian vice-president, has promised to cut freight times between Europe and China from two months by sea to 11 days by land.

In addition, the current sanctions on Iran allow China, which relies on the Persian state for 15pc of its energy needs, to drive a hard bargain on the construction contract for the line.

China is rapidly expanding its own high-speed rail network and has unveiled plans for lines that will connect Beijing with London, both through Russia and through central Asia.

China Railway Group, the largest railway construction company, has also recently revealed it has had "early stage contact" with South African companies about undertaking rail projects in South Africa."

http://www1.albawaba.com/transport/china-iran-ink-major-railroad-deal

"China, Iran ink major railroad deal
Published September 13th, 2010 - 12:40 GMT

China signed and Iran on Sunday signed an agreement to extend the railway line in western Iran as part of China's plans to link its railway system to the Mediterranean Sea at a cost of US$2 billion. The line will go from Tehran to the town of Khosravi on the border with Iraq. It will pass through the Iranian cities of Arak, Hamedan and Kermanshah.

The Iranian government agreed to the project, believing it will reach Iraq and Syria and possibly Lebanon as part of a Middle Eastern Corridor.

This new railroad line will help the Central Asian States to have an access to the Iranian port of Chahbahar and will provide China a vital overland route to transport goods to Europe. The Chinese expect it will help reduce the cost of transporting goods to Europe by 5 or 6%."
 
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Chinese passenger train classes

G trains (CRH), long-distance high-speed trains, Top speed 380 km/h or 350km/h
C trains (CRH), Intercity high-speed trains, Top speed 380 km/h or 350km/h
D trains (CRH), High-speed trains with top speed 250 km/h or 200km/h
Z trains, Direct Express, "non-stop" overnight train, The top speed is 160 km/h
T trains, Express, top speed 140km/h or 160 km/h
K trains, Fast, top speed 120 km/h
Rote Number 1001-5998 trains, General Fast, top speed 120km/h
Rote Number 6001-7598 trains, General, top speed 100km/h

Thanks a lot for your information!

But I think T and K are actually below per your speed. I took T(K?) from Nanjing to Hangzhou. It was mostly around 60-70km/h and only very occasionally 120km/h. It took about 7 hours. Reportedly, for D it took 4 hours, which of course stoped less frequently for fewer stations. The distance is about 320km Distance and transit time between cities in China | China Information | KWE Kintetsu World Exprss, Inc...
 
i have no complaints about G. i rode a G train from Wuhan to Changsha and it arrived within 1.5 hours. i also rode a numbers only train from Wuhan to Xianning (halfway between Wuhan and Changsha) and it took the same time.
 
China Touts ‘Complete Package’ for California Railway

September 15, 2010, 11:55 PM EDT

By Bloomberg News

(Updates with analyst’s comment in fourth paragraph.)

Sept. 16 (Bloomberg) -- China can offer a “complete package,” including financing, as it competes to build a high-speed railway in California costing more than $40 billion, according to the nation’s railway ministry.

“What other nations don’t have, we have,” He Huawu, the ministry’s chief engineer, said in a Sept. 14 interview in Beijing. “What they have, we have better.” He declined to elaborate further on how much financing may be available.

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger this week rode on bullet trains in China, Japan and South Korea as the state seeks contractors and financing to build the planned network linking Los Angeles and San Francisco. China is competing for the high-speed line and for one in Brazil as it works to boost high-technology exports and pare its reliance on low- wage production.

“The deal would be of great symbolic significance to China as it allows the nation to export technological knowhow to a country as developed as the U.S.,” said Wang Sheng, an analyst at Shenyin Wanguo Securities Co. from Shanghai. “China is fully able to afford the financing.”

Japan on Sept. 14 said that it was prepared to offer funding for the project through the state-owned Japan Bank of International Cooperation. East Japan Railway Co. may be among bidders for the California line, along with European trainmakers Alstom SA and Siemens AG.

The state, which is wrestling with a $19.1 billion budget deficit, will probably have about 10 bids to choose from, according to the agency overseeing the project.

“When you make a decision like that, you look at the financing aspect of it,” Schwarzenegger told reporters yesterday aboard a bullet train in South Korea.

China Trainmakers

In Brazil, China Railway Construction Corp. and China Northern Locomotive & Rolling Stock Industry Group Corp. are leading a group bidding for a line that may cost as much as 33.1 billion reais ($19.2 billion). China Development Bank Corp. and the Export-Import Bank of China are ready to help with financing, Asian Trade Link, a Brazilian company associated with the group, said earlier this month.

China’s He said the nation’s competitive advantage in the California rail project include trains that travel 350 kph (217 mph) and experience from building a 6,920 kilometer high-speed rail network, the world’s longest.

China will have twice as much high-speed rail track as the rest of the world combined by 2014 under a 2 trillion yuan ($297 billion) nationwide construction project. :tup:

High-Wage Jobs

To create more high-wage jobs, China has focused on industries such as shipbuilding, where it aims to surpass South Korea as the world’s biggest maker of ships by 2015. Local carmakers such as, Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., which bought Volvo Car Corp., have also expanded overseas.

California’s planned high-speed rail network would haul passengers between Los Angeles and San Francisco in 2 hours and 38 minutes. The journey takes six to eight hours by car or about one hour by plane. The state is trying to create jobs, stimulate its economy and cut traffic congestion by building the high-speed rail network that will eventually link San Diego, Los Angeles, San Jose and San Francisco.

The state approved in 2008 a $10 billion bond sale to help pay for the line, which is scheduled to start services in 2020. The project has also won $2.3 billion from a federal stimulus program intended to jump-start the building of high- speed rail corridors nationwide.

Construction may start as early as the first half of 2012, the California High Speed Rail Authority said earlier this year.

--Kevin Hamlin. With assistance from Vincent Ni in Beijing and Xiaowei Li in Shanghai and Sookyung Seo in Seoul. Editors: Dave McCombs, Neil Denslow

China Touts ‘Complete Package’ for California Railway - BusinessWeek

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This is the way China to go: high-end products to export. And, guess what? to USA! :welcome:
 
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In total, (US)federal appropriations for high-speed intercity passenger rail has grown to $10.5 billion for the 2010 fiscal year, up from $120 million in the two previous fiscal years combined,...

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...but when it comes to overseas players in the high-speed rail space, China (slated to spend an estimated $300 billion to build out a 75,000-mile high-speed rail network by 2020) is becoming the 800-pound gorilla. According to a recent report from the Center for American Progress, Chinese rail companies now have 940 registered patents, and in just over a decade it has made the “move from being an importer of high-speed rail technology and operational know-how to being an exporter.”

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High Speed Rail on Track to Reap Hefty Funds, But Faces Hurdles: Cleantech News
 
God knows California needs a little help right. It's suffering just as badly as everyone else.
 
Personally I think a train is unlikely to ever run near 380 Km/h for long periods of time due to stops in between. However when sending troops long distance it can be helpful as you only care about the starting and finishing point.


I suspect they won't stop at 380 km/h, seeing how they claim the track is designed for speeds up to 500 Km/h. 380 km/h is the public figure.
 
I suspect they won't stop at 380 km/h, seeing how they claim the track is designed for speeds up to 500 Km/h. 380 km/h is the public figure.

It is good to hear if it's true that the tracks are designed for speeds up to 500 km/h. The reason why they are capping the speed limit at 380 is because of economical reasons. At that speed, it requires much more energy to increase the speed due to the air drag and friction, so I've heard.

If (when) the Chinese can design more efficient designs and a more powerful engine (perhaps some sort or nuclear engine in the future?)

In the long run, we will probably substitute the current design with evacuated tubes and maglev :smitten: I would not say no to a theoretical 20,000 km/h train going from China to Europe :china:

Hopefully, that will happen in my lifetime :smitten:
 
Here is the sequence of steps to realizing a China-Central Asia-Mideast-Europe HSR. Firstly, build affordable normal rail to connect all of those countries and regions. Secondly, collect passenger fares and goods-transport fees. Use profits from normal rail line and external financing to build High-Speed Rail (i.e. HSR) from China to Europe.

China to build $2bn railway for Iran - Telegraph

"China to build $2bn railway for Iran
China is poised to sign a $2bn (£1.3bn) deal to build a railway line in Iran in the first step of a wider plan to tie the Middle East and Central Asia to Beijing.

By Malcolm Moore in Shanghai
Published: 6:15AM BST 07 Sep 2010

chinatrains1709759c.jpg

The Chinese have already built a railway line serving Tibet, above, and now plan a modern variant on the old 'Silk Road' through Central Asia (Photo: AP)

China's railways minister, Liu Zhijun, is expected to visit Tehran this week to seal the deal, according to his Iranian counterpart, Hamid Behbahani.

"The final document of the contract has already been signed with a Chinese company and the Chinese minister will visit Iran on September 12 to ink the agreement," said Mr Behbahani.

The new line will run from Tehran to the town of Khosravi on the border with Iraq, around 360 miles as the crow flies, passing through Arak, Hamedan and Kermanshah.

Eventually, the Iranian government said, the route could link Iran with Iraq and even Syria as part of a Middle-Eastern corridor. That could also benefit the 5,000 Iranians who make pilgrimages each day to the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala in Iraq.

Nicklas Swanstrom, the executive director of the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute at Johns Hopkins University, said the contract to build the line was the first step for China to build an entire rail infrastructure for central Asia.

"It makes sense that if you build railways in Iran, you then get deals to stretch the lines into central Asia," he said, referring to a "very concrete plan" to run a railway from Iran through the landlocked countries of Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and eventually to Kashgar in China, in a modern "silk route".

That line would give the central Asian states vital access to Iran's port of Chahbahar on the shores of the Persian Gulf, and could also eventually give China a vital overland freight route to Europe.

"For China, it could cut the cost of transporting goods to Europe by 5pc or 6pc," said Professor Swanstrom.

"It also makes political sense, because while technically the US, Europe or Russia could block China's sea routes, it would also have a land route. And by tying your neighbour's infrastructure to you, it brings them closer," he added. "It decreases Russia's influence in the region, and definitely decreases the influence of the US and Europe."

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, raised the idea of the new railway earlier this year at a summit in Tehran.

Transport ministers from Tajikistan, Afghanistan and Iran are expected to gather in Dushanbe, the Tajik capital formerly known as Stalinabad, next month to firm up a deal for a 1,225-mile route. The Asian Development Bank is funding a feasibility study for the project.

Iran is determined to forge tighter links with its neighbours, and rebuild itself as a trade hub, in order to build a regional alliance that would support it against Nato countries.

At the beginning of last month, Mr Ahmadinejad said Tajikistan, Afghanistan and Iran should join forces to become "an obstacle" to Western influence in the region.

Iran has pointedly not signed up to European Union plans for a trade corridor through Europe, the Caucasus and Asia, and has instead busied itself with bilateral agreements with its neighbours. Reza Rahimi, the Iranian vice-president, has promised to cut freight times between Europe and China from two months by sea to 11 days by land.

In addition, the current sanctions on Iran allow China, which relies on the Persian state for 15pc of its energy needs, to drive a hard bargain on the construction contract for the line.

China is rapidly expanding its own high-speed rail network and has unveiled plans for lines that will connect Beijing with London, both through Russia and through central Asia.

China Railway Group, the largest railway construction company, has also recently revealed it has had "early stage contact" with South African companies about undertaking rail projects in South Africa."

China, Iran ink major railroad deal | Al Bawaba

"China, Iran ink major railroad deal
Published September 13th, 2010 - 12:40 GMT

China signed and Iran on Sunday signed an agreement to extend the railway line in western Iran as part of China's plans to link its railway system to the Mediterranean Sea at a cost of US$2 billion. The line will go from Tehran to the town of Khosravi on the border with Iraq. It will pass through the Iranian cities of Arak, Hamedan and Kermanshah.

The Iranian government agreed to the project, believing it will reach Iraq and Syria and possibly Lebanon as part of a Middle Eastern Corridor.

This new railroad line will help the Central Asian States to have an access to the Iranian port of Chahbahar and will provide China a vital overland route to transport goods to Europe. The Chinese expect it will help reduce the cost of transporting goods to Europe by 5 or 6%."

If China is deciding to build HSR from Beijing to London, It may need to consider going through a another country other than France, because the German version is being tested for the channel tunnel.

BBC News - Channel Tunnel in German high-speed train test
 
中国万岁-ProsperThroughCo-op;1141101 said:
It is good to hear if it's true that the tracks are designed for speeds up to 500 km/h. The reason why they are capping the speed limit at 380 is because of economical reasons. At that speed, it requires much more energy to increase the speed due to the air drag and friction, so I've heard.

If (when) the Chinese can design more efficient designs and a more powerful engine (perhaps some sort or nuclear engine in the future?)

In the long run, we will probably substitute the current design with evacuated tubes and maglev :smitten: I would not say no to a theoretical 20,000 km/h train going from China to Europe :china:

Hopefully, that will happen in my lifetime :smitten:

I agree. I think they probably worked out that there is not much point going beyond 500km/h. Just uneconomical even if it can be done. However not long ago they experimented with jet engine attached to trains to increase it's speed. May be useful for emergency situations.
 
If China is deciding to build HSR from Beijing to London, It may need to consider going through a another country other than France, because the German version is being tested for the channel tunnel.

BBC News - Channel Tunnel in German high-speed train test

Some tech from china high speed rail may be compatible with german ones. Also you might not just have a single train that runs through all regions. But changing trains will still be more convenient than changing stations.

Really the plan is still at a very early stage and there is alot of rooms for question. I don't have doubt for chinas political resolve to follow a set project though even one as large as this. Not so sure about european countries.
 
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