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Even though I am disappointed in Xi's lack of will to retaliate against Trump, Taiwan, Hong Kong protesters, and Australia (although there are baby steps in Australia case), I am extremely impressed in his strength and foresight of his domestic policy.

China is going to invest $1.4T for the next 6 years to build up AI, Data Center, High Speed rail, Industrial IoT, 5G Base Stations, Ultra-High Voltage, and EV Charging Stations, to get China out of the current economic crisis.

Compare to what USA do. US government just give money to people so they get paid while staying home.

One country just give free money to people, no productivity, no goods were produced. Another country invest for the technology for the next 50 years.

Average American is sitting home watching TV, drinking beer while getting paid, while many Chinese lost their jobs right now. American government waste their money now while Chinese government invest for the future.

I have no doubt which country will come out ahead in 6 years...

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Now the article:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-got-plan-seize-world-210000558.html

China’s Got a New Plan to Seize the World’s Tech Crown From the U.S.

Bloomberg News
BloombergMay 20, 2020


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(Bloomberg) -- Beijing is accelerating its bid for global leadership in key technologies, planning to pump more than a trillion dollars into the economy through the rollout of everything from wireless networks to artificial intelligence.

In the masterplan backed by President Xi Jinping himself, China will invest an estimated $1.4 trillion over six years to 2025, calling on urban governments and private tech giants like Huawei Technologies Co. to lay fifth generation wireless networks, install cameras and sensors, and develop AI software that will underpin autonomous driving to automated factories and mass surveillance.

The new infrastructure initiative is expected to drive mainly local giants from Alibaba and Huawei to SenseTime Group Ltd. at the expense of U.S. companies. As tech nationalism mounts, the investment drive will reduce China’s dependence on foreign technology, echoing objectives set forth previously in the Made in China 2025 program. Such initiatives have already drawn fierce criticism from the Trump administration, resulting in moves to block the rise of Chinese tech companies such as Huawei.

“Nothing like this has happened before, this is China’s gambit to win the global tech race,” said Digital China Holdings Chief Operating Officer Maria Kwok, as she sat in a Hong Kong office surrounded by facial recognition cameras and sensors. “Starting this year, we are really beginning to see the money flow through.”

The tech investment push is part of a fiscal package waiting to be signed off by China’s legislature, which convenes this week. The government is expected to announce infrastructure funding of as much as $563 billion this year, against the backdrop of the country’s worst economic performance since the Mao era.

The nation’s biggest purveyors of cloud computing and data analysis Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. and Tencent Holdings Ltd. will be linchpins of the upcoming endeavor. China has already entrusted Huawei to galvanize 5G. Tech leaders including Pony Ma and Jack Ma are espousing the program.

Maria Kwok’s company is a government-backed systems integration provider, among many that are jumping at the chance. In the southern city of Guangzhou, Digital China is bringing half a million units of project housing online, including a complex three quarters the size of Central Park. To find a home, a user just has to log on to an app, scan their face and verify their identity. Leases can be signed digitally via smartphone and the renting authority is automatically flagged if a tenant’s payment is late.

China is no stranger to far-reaching plans with massive price tags that appear to achieve little. There’s no guarantee this program will deliver the economic rejuvenation its proponents promise. Unlike previous efforts to resuscitate the economy with “dumb” bridges and highways, this newly laid digital infrastructure will help national champions develop cutting-edge technologies.

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China’s new stimulus plan will likely lead to a consolidation of industrial internet providers, and could lead to the emergence of some larger companies able to compete with global leaders such as GE and Siemens. One bet is on industrial internet-of-things platforms as China aims to cultivate three world leading companies in this area by 2025.

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China isn’t alone in pumping money into the tech sector as a way to get out of the post-virus economic slump. Earlier this month, South Korea said AI and wireless communications would be at the core of it its “New Deal” to create jobs and boost growth.

According to the government-backed China Center for Information Industry Development, the 10 trillion yuan ($1.4 trillion) that China is estimated to spend from now until 2025 encompasses areas typically considered leading edge such as AI and IoT as well as items such as ultra-high voltage lines and high-speed rail.

Separate estimates by Morgan Stanley put new infrastructure at around $180 billion each year for the next 11 years -- or $1.98 trillion in total. Those calculations also include power and rail lines. That annual figure would be almost double the past three-year average, the investment bank said in a March report that listed key stock beneficiaries including companies such as China Tower Corp., Alibaba, GDS Holdings, Quanta Computer Inc. and Advantech Co.


Beijing’s half-formed vision is already stirring a plethora of stocks, a big reason why five of China’s 10 best-performing stocks this year are tech plays like networking gear maker Dawning Information Industry Co. and Apple supplier GoerTek Inc. The bare outlines of the masterplan were enough to drive pundits toward everything from satellite operators to broadband providers.

It’s unlikely that U.S companies will benefit much from the tech-led stimulus and in some cases they stand to lose existing business. Earlier this year when the country’s largest telecom carrier China Mobile awarded contracts for 37 billion yuan in 5G base stations, the lion’s share went to Huawei and other Chinese companies. Sweden’s Ericsson got only a little over 10% of the business in the first four months. In one of its projects, Digital China will help the northeastern city of Changchun swap out American cloud computing staples IBM, Oracle and EMC with home-grown technology.

It’s in data centers that a considerable chunk of the new infrastructure development will take place. Over 20 provinces have launched policies to support enterprises utilizing cloud computing services, according to a March note from UBS Group AG. Tony Yu, chief executive officer of Chinese server maker H3C, that his company was seeing a significant increase in demand for data center services from some of the country’s top internet companies. “Rapid growth in up-and-coming sectors will bring a new force to China’s economy after the pandemic passes,” he told Bloomberg News.

From there, more investment should flow. Bain Capital-backed data center operator Chindata Group estimated that for every one dollar spent on data centers another $5 to $10 in investment in related sectors would take place, including in networking, power grid and advanced equipment manufacturing. “A whole host of supply-chain companies will benefit,” the company said in a statement.

There’s concern about whether this long-term strategy provides much in the way of stimulus now, and where the money will come from. “It’s impossible to prop up China’s economy with new infrastructure alone,” said Zhu Tian, professor of economics at China Europe International Business School in Shanghai. “If you are worried about the government’s added debt levels and their debt servicing abilities right now, of course you wouldn’t do it. But it’s a necessary thing to do at a time of crisis.”

Digital China is confident that follow-up projects from its housing initiative in Guangzhou could generate 30 million yuan in revenue for the company. It’s also hoping to replicate those efforts with local governments in the northeastern province of Jilin, where it has 3.3 billion yuan worth of projects approved. These include building a so-called city brain that will for the first time connect databases including traffic, schools and civil matters such as marriage registry. “The concept of smart cities has been touted for years but now we are finally seeing the investment,” said Kwok.
 
"China is going to invest $1.4T for the next 6 years to build up AI, Data Center, High Speed rail, Industrial IoT, 5G Base Stations, Ultra-High Voltage, and EV Charging Stations, to get China out of the current economic crisis."

this is very good and positive. If China truly invests in original research and come out with wonderful inventions, frankly the world will appreciate that. It will lead to better liberties for the Chinese people as well as rest of teh world.

The US and the rest of the world will always be less 'efficient' than China in government led programs because of democracy and loser controls. That's Ok too.

Now that would be a constructive race instead of destructive politics.
 
"China is going to invest $1.4T for the next 6 years to build up AI, Data Center, High Speed rail, Industrial IoT, 5G Base Stations, Ultra-High Voltage, and EV Charging Stations, to get China out of the current economic crisis."

this is very good and positive. If China truly invests in original research and come out with wonderful inventions, frankly the world will appreciate that. It will lead to better liberties for the Chinese people as well as rest of teh world.

The US and the rest of the world will always be less 'efficient' than China in government led programs because of democracy and loser controls. That's Ok too.

Now that would be a constructive race instead of destructive politics.


I don't see this as "Authoritarian" vs. "Democracy". I see this as "Meritocracy" vs. "Irresponsible Governance".

Trump is never much a Republican. There is no way a Bush or a Clinton would borrow trillions of dollars so they can throw money to the voter to stay home doing nothing.

Trump is just catering to the voters so that he can get re-elected. Some presidents care about their legacy, Trump cares about the next election.

So, this has little to do with democracy but everything to do with irresponsible governance.
 
I don't see this as "Authoritarian" vs. "Democracy". I see this as "Meritocracy" vs. "Irresponsible Governance".

Trump is never much a Republican. There is no way a Bush or a Clinton would borrow trillions of dollars so they can throw money to the voter to stay home doing nothing.

Trump is just catering to the voters so that he can get re-elected. Some presidents care about their legacy, Trump cares about the next election.

So, this has little to do with democracy but everything to do with irresponsible governance.

doesn;t really matter how YOU see what.
 
Just two person exchange ideas. If you don't like that, why even reply in the first place?

sorry I didn't elaborate and I do have to go - but very quickly, the reason I say how YOU see it doesn't matter is because your pov is invalid. You do not have a grasp of democratic governance and how the beaurocracy in an advanced democracy really function. More importantly Chinese people, especially zealot cyber warriors are incapable of understanding individual liberty.

Therefore regardless of how well the counter party debates and brings you the facts, you won't agree. Henec it doesn't matter.

May be a better way to phrase it, it (the argument) doesn't matter, rather than you. It wasn't an insult on you but rather a statement of the straits you guys are in
 
Wait a minute. There is a 2 trillion USD covid 19 QE package by FED.

But I bet everything will goes into TBTF banks and nothing will be built.
 
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If China really wants to compete with the US, make itself more friendly to high skilled immigrants.
 
China has already throw out red carpet for top academics, scientists and engineers.

She has welcomed too much of foreigners that a lot of foreign trash is flooding big cities. Many are neither talent nor skilled. China should in fact calibrate her immigration policy, and not make herself more friendly to foreigners.

Look at Singapore. Singapore foreigner policies are disaster.

If China really wants to compete with the US, make itself more friendly to high skilled immigrants.
 
If China really wants to compete with the US, make itself more friendly to high skilled immigrants.

I don't think it is a deal breaker. But I do think it would good for China to be more welcoming the highly skilled immigrants.

It would also help solve the aging problem.

sorry I didn't elaborate and I do have to go - but very quickly, the reason I say how YOU see it doesn't matter is because your pov is invalid. You do not have a grasp of democratic governance and how the beaurocracy in an advanced democracy really function. More importantly Chinese people, especially zealot cyber warriors are incapable of understanding individual liberty.

Therefore regardless of how well the counter party debates and brings you the facts, you won't agree. Henec it doesn't matter.

May be a better way to phrase it, it (the argument) doesn't matter, rather than you. It wasn't an insult on you but rather a statement of the straits you guys are in

Doesn't sound like you are interested in a normal conversation. Oh well, too bad.
 
China has already throw out red carpet for top academics, scientists and engineers.

She has welcomed too much of foreigners that a lot of foreign trash is flooding big cities. Many are neither talent nor skilled. China should in fact calibrate her immigration policy, and not make herself more friendly to foreigners.

Look at Singapore. Singapore foreigner policies are disaster.

Look at Silicon Valley. The bulk of the contributions to Silicon Valley are from immigrants and naturalized citizens. Indians, Chinese, Taiwanese, Europeans, etc. Only a minority are from White Americans. This is how the US stays on top of the world, because it can draw from the world's best talent. China is pitifully insular in comparison.
 
China has already throw out red carpet for top academics, scientists and engineers.

I was nearly transferred internally to China. I do not see any obstacle.

In fact door is opened too wide.

Look at Silicon Valley. The bulk of the contributions to Silicon Valley are from immigrants and naturalized citizens. Indians, Chinese, Taiwanese, Europeans, etc. Only a minority are from White Americans. This is how the US stays on top of the world, because it can draw from the world's best talent. China is pitifully insular in comparison.
 
China has already throw out red carpet for top academics, scientists and engineers.

I was nearly transferred internally to China. I do not see any obstacle.

In fact door is opened too wide.

China wants her accomplished people back. But I am talking about something else.

China shall also actively recruit smart young foreigners (who grow up in foreign countries) as new immigrant. Those people understand the culture and thinking of their own home land.

When China become the number 1 power in the world, she needs to be able to understand how other countries and other cultures think. Those new immigrants would be the best bridge.

During the height of Tang and Han dynasty, the capital cities were flushed with foreigners who would settle down in China.
 
China has already throw out red carpet for top academics, scientists and engineers.

I was nearly transferred internally to China. I do not see any obstacle.

In fact door is opened too wide.
Language, culture and political info war are some obstacles. Most immigrants don't speak Chinese, but they can speak English. Most high tech immigrants are from India, western countries, both of those places are pro America. They would rather go to US, that's true.

US culture influence is much bigger than China, we need to admit that, their movie, music and pop culture flooded the world. Most youngsters are fan boy of US, not China, especially in western countries.

We need to recognized the gap between China and US in those specific areas, and then improve it, so that we can move forward.

China has some advantages. China political system is way better and advanced than outdated US one man on vote system. China learn and work harder than Americans.

America foreign policy and domestic policy are killing themselves, we will wait and see.

For Indians, don't waste too much time with them. If they can think independently, they don't need to argue with you. India is doomed.
 
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