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True.US should make a gun named B phone and sell to CN. CN companies like Tencent surely will buy it cos Tencent support Trump's tariff now.
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True.US should make a gun named B phone and sell to CN. CN companies like Tencent surely will buy it cos Tencent support Trump's tariff now.
True.US should make a gun named B phone and sell to CN. CN companies like Tencent surely will buy it cos Tencent support Trump's tariff now.
No one is your little VN freind!My friend, do uunderstand well abt US capitalist system ?? US always try to create a threat even its fake ( mass destruction weapon in Iraq, ditactor regime in Syria etc) to bring chaos and sell weapons.
Countries don't just collapse, as long as the system is still producing goods and services.Thats true, thats why Trump impose tariff 10% on Cnese goods to destroy CN manufacturing and service, and threaten to 25% if Xi dont surrender and buy what Trump tell Xi to buy.
And after Xi begged for mercy from Trump, he got 90days to show his loyalty to Trump.Remember that its Xi who beg for negotiation,not Trump
My friend, do uunderstand well abt US capitalist system ?? US always try to create a threat even its fake ( mass destruction weapon in Iraq, ditactor regime in Syria etc) to bring chaos and sell weapons.
Countries don't just collapse, as long as the system is still producing goods and services.Thats true, thats why Trump impose tariff 10% on Cnese goods to destroy CN manufacturing and service, and threaten to 25% if Xi dont surrender and buy what Trump tell Xi to buy.
Begged? You seem to forget Trump was the one initiating to talk to China, not the other way round. Lest you forget, China has also got US by it's balls, soybeans, wheat, and other farm produce are rotting as we speak due to Chinese tariffs. It might just be a few dozen billions, but these mid-western states are Trump's votebank. You get what I mean? The question is why Trump is giving 90 days? Why the delay, why not demand it straightaway? Did China agree to anything? Read that CNN article. China is just delaying it until Trump faces domestic pressure. This is a game for the big boys, small boys will just get whipped in between this tussle.And after Xi begged for mercy from Trump, he got 90days to show his loyalty to Trump.Remember that its Xi who beg for negotiation,not Trump
You know what's the difference between your industrial base and ours? Barring foreign companies, we own most of the core technology. We can make the whole phone from screen to processor domestically, your BPHONE is nothing but an assembled phone using Chinese components. =)True.US should make a gun named B phone and sell to CN. CN companies like Tencent surely will buy it cos Tencent support Trump's tariff now.
capitalism mean enslave people and loot poor ppl's money to get rich, thats the reason why US always create a threat to loot money from other countries.What has capitalism got to do with threat perception genius? China is capitalistic and authoritarian. It seems you do not understand the difference between geopolitical considerations and economic relations. China might be part of the American led capitalistic system, but she protects her geopolitical interests. Japan on the OTOH is different, they are an American whore, they do not have an independent geopolitical agenda. Doesn't matter if it's Iraq or Syria, both of them do not have an aligned geopolitical stand with US, that's why they are a 'threat', which again reinforces my point, you are only a 'threat' if you have an independent geopolitical agenda. Understand? So your notion that we had been licking their asses do not make sense. =)
Imposing 10% tariffs will not destroy a China's industrial base. True, thats why Trump raise to 25 % , thats why Xi has to beg for negotiationImposing 10% tariffs will not destroy a China's industrial base boy. Firstly, you need to check how much exports contribute to the economy. Then you need to understand the size of the domestic market. It might get affected with some reduced output, it will never get destroyed. Understand? If this could be done, don't you think US would have done it long ago? The fact is there is only drama, hot air and fart, the world is Chimerica. You need to study the interdependence between these two economies.
China makes opening bid to US on trade ahead of Trump-Xi meetingBegged? You seem to forget Trump was the one initiating to talk to China, not the other way round. Lest you forget, China has also got US by it's balls, soybeans, wheat, and other farm produce are rotting as we speak due to Chinese tariffs. It might just be a few dozen billions, but these mid-western states are Trump's votebank. You get what I mean? The question is why Trump is giving 90 days? Why the delay, why not demand it straightaway? Did China agree to anything? Read that CNN article. China is just delaying it until Trump faces domestic pressure. This is a game for the big boys, small boys will just get whipped in between this tussle.
Same problem for CN after copying Lenin NEP now. The bourgeoisie always tend to favour the West, thats why after Lenin died, his NEP also gone cos Soviet Govt. couldnt control the private sectorTrump's tariff mostly hurts the private enterprises in China, because all those private enterprises are subjected to the US export.
China's SOE don't need the US market at all, meanwhile all SOE were also completely banned from accessing to the US market.
Let me copy my post again. Do u know anything abt Lenin NEP ??
CN ideology is “socialism with Chinese characteristics”, its a copy of Lenin new economy policy( NEP) that allowed private sector to run bussiness under Govt control. But as u said, the bourgeoisie always tend to favour the West, thats why after Lenin died, his NEP also gone cos Soviet Govt. couldnt control the private sector. Lenin NEP only appled in short time, thats why many ppl dont know abt it.
Same problem for CN after copying Lenin NEP now. Private companies like Tencent feel unfair when competing wt state owned enteprises and surprisingly, Tencent secretly support Trump's tariff to weaken state owned enteprises ( and may overthrow Xi in near future wt US's support )
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jack...ist-party-member.588897/page-10#post-10991533
Hahaha, even 100% will not destroy our industrial base. I told you to check the statistics. Use some common sense. Did Xi beg for negotiation? Please provide some evidence my friend.Imposing 10% tariffs will not destroy a China's industrial base. True, thats why Trump raise to 25 % , thats why Xi has to beg for negotiation
Opening bid? From CNN? Gosh how naive, the same outlet is saying China gave nothing. Anything in black and white yet? Don't you know the art of negotiation, talk and talk and delay. A few more years Trump is gone. =)China makes opening bid to US on trade ahead of Trump-Xi meeting
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/15/politics/us-china-trade-war-negotiation/index.html
Farm produce loss is the casualty of war. US also lost thousands men in Iraq, Syria and she just dont care abt those dead men as long as US Wall st boss can get the final victory
90 days delay to see if Xi will show his loyalty to Trump or not. If Xi obey what Trump tell him, then no need more tariff, US will win without anymore loss, thats it
U see, CN is not smarter than Soviet, u think private sector will help CN to get richer and stronger ?? Wrong, they always support the West and they will overthrow the regime when they r strong enough.
Tencent is very popular in CN, if XI try to kill Tencent to protect his throne, then Im sure that CN economy will go down much deeper. but Xi dont kill tencent, then once day, tencent will get support from US to kill Xi
Now, this pretty much sums up your mental capacity. . I rest my case. I hope Vietnam is run by you.capitalism mean enslave people and loot poor ppl's money to get rich, thats the reason why US always create a threat to loot money from other countries.
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Hypocrisy at its most. Your words just give us an excellent example of denial.Fentanyl is not a problem? You are definitely ignorant, or in denial. I know how much denial some other Chinese members gave me about Myanmar genocide thread. smh.
Haha, okay, whatever CN system u said, thats actually is just a copy from Lenin NEP. We see almost No different (SOE control the important sector, private companies make money for the country etc). And Bsc CN copy Lenin NEP, so CN will collapse like Soviet , thats tragedy , broErm did you mention Lenin in your first post? So what is there to copy? Where is the copied portion? hahaha. Anyway back to the topic, Chinese system is a copy? Since when it is original? Since when is capitalism and socialism a Chinese invention? We had to do what was necessary, the economy was crumbling, we had to 'adapt'. Unlike the ideologue Russians, they went for either capitalism or socialism, both extremes. China found a new system, 'gradualism' which is basically just common sense. Open up a portion of your economy to private competition, foreign competition , test out these in small areas (SEZs). Retain control of certain strategic industries like power, telecoms, etc. Protect and nurture your private/SOE players with controlled foreign competition, using some form of TOT, tariffs, market access, government contracts, etc. After 20-30 years when the tech, management and revenue matures, force them to go global and compete with everyone. This is what happened with Huawei, ZTE, ZPMC, HAIER, LENOVO, etc. They were nurtured and semi protected in the beginning so they could grow, but China cannot provide them all the comforts and protect them completely, they need stimulation, some competition from foreign companies. China invented nothing, they are just naturally born adaptive people with common sense if given the right leadership. 'GRADUALISM', study this Chinese concept.
Tencent supporting tarrifs? Tencent is a product of the very Chinese system genius. If it's a secret, how do you know it? Secretly? hahaha
Blah blah blah, do u know why before begging for US-JP support in 1978, CN GDP merely 300USD/year while US and JP were at abt 12,000 USD/year ?? Bcs CN got 100% tarriffHahaha, even 100% will not destroy our industrial base. I told you to check the statistics. Use some common sense. Did Xi beg for negotiation? Please provide some evidence my friend.
And you think China will not retaliate? China is already imposing tariff on alot of US goods, it is hurting them too. Trade war is never good for either side and sooner or later both parties will need to resolve it. Stop dreaming about destroying Chinese industrial base, we trade with the world, US is but one of the markets, and guess what, we are the largest market for many sectors. You think US INC. is willing to get shut out of it? =).
talk and talk and delay. A few more years Trump is gone .haha. thats what u hope, but u should know that another US president like Obama will be even worse for CN cos he will join TPP to kill CN easier and faster. Destroying CN is the best way to sell billion of billion USD weapon to make "US great again", my friendOpening bid? From CNN? Gosh how naive, the same outlet is saying China gave nothing. Anything in black and white yet? Don't you know the art of negotiation, talk and talk and delay. A few more years Trump is gone. =)
US is a democratic country, votes means more than dead soldiers genius. Get this into your head. 90 days delay? It's a drama for gods sake. It's like a bully saying, you don't come closer OK, if you come closer, I am gonna hit you, I am counting to 20. hahahaha
Whether we are smarter, I can't judge, the fact remains China is alive and kicking, the country is thriving. Compare this to the Soviet successor state Russia. Yes, I believe both well managed private sector and SOEs will help us get strong and rich, it already has, China is roughly 50% private. SOEs must control certain strategic industries with guaranteed profits like oil/gas, telecoms, etc. Some sort of foreign and private competition can be introduced to stimulate the market and reduce monopolistic tendencies. SOEs should also compete among themselves for the benefit of the country. The private sector is already very powerful in certain sectors in China, why do you think they will overthrow the very same regime who nurtured them? if the regime is under-performing, improve it, join them and make it better like Jack Ma. You are still living in Soviet era thinking the Chinese Communist/Nationalist Party is not adapting, changing learning and improving.
CCP is killing TENCENT? If they want to kill them, they will just enact a law for takeover and change the management. Why kill the goose who lays the golden egg, just kill the farmer. =)
Haha, okay, whatever CN system u said, thats actually is just a copy from Lenin NEP. We see almost No different (SOE control the important sector, private companies make money for the country etc). And Bsc CN copy Lenin NEP, so CN will collapse like Soviet , thats tragedy , bro
Abt tencent, pls read again.
As a result, reformers hope Trump may prove to be an external catalyst for change. If the U.S. president can move the Chinese leadership by wielding the blunt instrument of higher tariffs, the thinking goes, it might spur market openings that party officials would otherwise prefer to avoid. That in turn could help private companies to compete more effectively, especially with state-owned enterprises.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jack...ist-party-member.588897/page-10#post-10991533
Blah blah blah, do u know why before begging for US-JP support in 1978, CN GDP merely 300USD/year while US and JP were at abt 12,000 USD/year ?? Bcs CN got 100% tarriff
Maybe CN dont die if GDP is 300 USD/year again, but thats really too bad
That's what China had been doing all along, lip service for Trump, make him feel he has won, make him the star for his domestic audience. He is after voters my friend. Trump himself has got business dealings with China. Let's not be so naive shall we? Every President had a 'CHINA PLAN' for the past 30 years. We are still here.talk and talk and delay. A few more years Trump is gone .haha. thats what u hope, but u should know that another US president like Obama will be even worse for CN cos he will join TPP to kill CN easier and faster. Destroying CN is the best way to sell billion of billion USD weapon to make "US great again", my friend
Abt Killing Tencent, as CN is just a copy of Lenin NEP, so u should read why Soviet had to kill its private sector first
haha, running mad like another online mad dogs now, my friendCopying and pasting a link without critical analysis and summation is just useless. What is your point exactly? You must do critical thinking instead of copypasting like a monkey.
Since when did we beg US-JP for support? Nixon visited us so that we can be an ally against the Soviets. They needed us to handle the Southern Viet Monkey, in return we were offered a chance to participate in the world economy. It's a win win situation. And where is JP in this equation? Apart from WWII compensations and aids, all they did was use us as a cheap manufacturing base, nothing wrong with that. I fail to see the begging element here.
Please improve your English, what 100% tariff on what items, your grammar, what you mean by 'don't die? GDP is a product of not just exports but also of the industrial/services base servicing the local market and also other markets instead of just the US. You need to get out of this myopic view that US is the only market and consumer.
Wow, resorting to insults are we? =). Ppl see? Or you see? As I already explained why is there a need for 90 days? What did was the agreement? Anything signed? Can you provide a source to show what was agreed upon? The game of politics among superpowers is not just a simple I instruct you to do this, you must do this. It is all about 'interests'. What can one offer in exchange for something. You also fail to take notice of the 1 trillionUS$ US bond China is holding. The moment someone is naughty, China can cause havoc. =). It's a game of leverage. CHIMERICA! hahahahahaha, running mad like another online mad dogs now, my friend
Whatever u try to say, no one care, ppl see Xi beg for trade truce in 90 days and Xi must do what Trump tell Xi to do or Xi will get 25 % tariff.
Nixon didn't need usless CN, thats why he still support TW and control Cn surrounding water when offer a win-lose deal wt CN (US win-CN lose) and CN had no choice but accept it to get US's protection against Soviet threat.
You have such a simplistic mind, I told you we learn, copy, improvise, absorb and improve upon others. PRC is providing good governance compared to many 'democratic' countries, one good example is our neighbor to the south. Will the people demand more? Of course? They will have to change and adapt as always, provide better feedback solutions, accountability, you will be shocked how meritocratic China is compared to 'democratic' India.And Bcs CN system just copy from Lenin NEP, so everyone can see CN will be in chaos ( in 2023 ), thats why UK-JP warships keep sailing around SCS(east VN sea) and wating for chance to get back HK-Nanjing wt help from tencent
Just sit and wait till 2023, no need to reply my post and run mad like another online mad dogs, everyone know clearly that Cnese r very coward in real life, not look "TRONK " like on internet. Abt my English, as Cnese, u should know why CN GDP per capital in 1978 merely 300 USD. Dont die mean dont collapse. I just make a short cut
Well going by logic, if we are licking their asses since the 70s, then why are we even a threat? . Japan is the one licking american balls, not China. They have a rape base in Okinawa my friend...that pretty much explains everything.
Fine, we did do one American bidding by invading Vietnam. That was a mutually agreed and beneficial action though.
Gordon had been predicting chaos since 98'. Countries don't just collapse my friend, as long as the system is still producing goods and services, it will remain intact. Soviet collapsed because their economic system couldn't provide the goods and services the populace needed. You underestimate the ability of the Chinese to learn and adapt. We have been surviving for thousands of years.
What has capitalism got to do with threat perception genius? China is capitalistic and authoritarian. It seems you do not understand the difference between geopolitical considerations and economic relations. China might be part of the American led capitalistic system, but she protects her geopolitical interests. Japan on the OTOH is different, they are an American whore, they do not have an independent geopolitical agenda. Doesn't matter if it's Iraq or Syria, both of them do not have an aligned geopolitical stand with US, that's why they are a 'threat', which again reinforces my point, you are only a 'threat' if you have an independent geopolitical agenda. Understand? So your notion that we had been licking their asses do not make sense. =)
Imposing 10% tariffs will not destroy a China's industrial base boy. Firstly, you need to check how much exports contribute to the economy. Then you need to understand the size of the domestic market. It might get affected with some reduced output, it will never get destroyed. Understand? If this could be done, don't you think US would have done it long ago? The fact is there is only drama, hot air and fart, the world is Chimerica. You need to study the interdependence between these two economies.
Begged? You seem to forget Trump was the one initiating to talk to China, not the other way round. Lest you forget, China has also got US by it's balls, soybeans, wheat, and other farm produce are rotting as we speak due to Chinese tariffs. It might just be a few dozen billions, but these mid-western states are Trump's votebank. You get what I mean? The question is why Trump is giving 90 days? Why the delay, why not demand it straightaway? Did China agree to anything? Read that CNN article. China is just delaying it until Trump faces domestic pressure. This is a game for the big boys, small boys will just get whipped in between this tussle.
You know what's the difference between your industrial base and ours? Barring foreign companies, we own most of the core technology. We can make the whole phone from screen to processor domestically, your BPHONE is nothing but an assembled phone using Chinese components. =)
Bphone is made in Vietnam, not America. a big Plus, the phone is 100 percent free of chinese propaganda installed software. Very cheap. Just 7 million VND.