China’s false memory syndrome

[Zsari]

No matter we are a feudal state, a colonial state or a republic state later ...
It is important that the State of the Vietnamese.
Your 1947 is too late!

A colonial subject you mean? Sorry, the islands has been under French then Japanese control. Whoever owns that prior doesn't really matter anymore, legally speaking. The end of WWII is basically where all the present international legal system coming together, and 1947 is right on the mark, almost.

So, no Ming-Qing map to claim Spratly, sounds very un-Chinese.

One can certainly put forward historical map or claim, but that's more or less irrelevant at this point.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

A colonial subject you mean? Sorry, the islands has been under French then Japanese control. Whoever owns that prior doesn't really matter anymore, legally speaking. The end of WWII is basically where all the present international legal system coming together, and 1947 is right on the mark, almost.



One can certainly put forward historical map or claim, but that's more or less irrelevant at this point.

OK, so after Japan surrendered to the Allies, it had to return two archipelagos to the French, right?
And What based on when French to control two archipelagos? It was based on the occupation of the territory of Vietnam.

 

[Zsari]

OK, so after Japan surrendered to the Allies, it had to return two archipelagos to the French, right?
And What based on when French to control two archipelagos? It was based on the occupation of the territory of Vietnam.

No Vietnam was not the sole inheritant of the French colony, as the French occupation took territory from many states in the region including China, Vietnam cannot lay claim to the entire French possession.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

No Vietnam was not the sole inheritant of the French colony, as the French occupation took territory from many states in the region including China, Vietnam cannot lay claim to the entire French possession.

You forget that the French invaded two archipelagos from Vietnamese feudal State. That is an important point.

 

[Zsari]

You forget that the French invaded two archipelagos from Vietnamese feudal State. That is an important point.

Ever heard of the Sino-French war? The French fought China over Tokin & Anam as Qing was the protectorate of Vietnam, and as the result of the war, Sino-Tonkin delimitation line was drawn that puts both the Paracel & Spratly island outside the French colony. The French later expanded into the island chains under the protest of Qing.

Also Japan did not turn the islands to Frence after the war. Instead it was China under ROC that took control of the archipelagos after the Japanese surrender, and station garrisons on the major islands such as Woody island & Taiping island, all without any French objection.

Moreover, when French released its colony, new states are created. While one can draw moral lineage to the ancient kingdoms, legally speaking, you cannot lay claim to the possession of the old kingdoms through the French occupation.

 

[EastSea]

France colonial period is short time in Vietnam history. Vietnam controlled Islands from long time ago. Chinese ancient book called the sea is " Jiao Zhi sea".
Historic evidence

The Viet Nam National University-HCM City on the occasion of Viet Nam's Sea and Island Week from June 1-8, introduced a book on June 3 that confirms Viet Nam's sovereignty over the Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) archipelagos.

The book, Chu Quyen Viet Nam Tren Bien Dong va Hoang Sa-Truong Sa (Viet Nam's Sovereignty in the East Sea and Hoang Sa-Truong Sa) was written by well-known HCM City historian and geographer Nguyen Dinh Dau.

The eight-chapter book includes historical descriptions of the islands in the East Sea and their status during the Late Le dynasty, the Tay Son dynasty, the period from 1945 to 1975, and from 1975 to the present time.

The book contains maps from the 15th century onwards that were created by Vietnamese, Chinese, Europeans and Americans to help in exploration and commercial navigation.

Textbook recognizes China’s southern border as Hainan Island - News VietNamNet

 

[Nike]

China gov: give me a time, a while, i will draw a new maps with another new lies so our proudly 50 cents army at PDF can get a new ammunition for their works there

 

[xesy]

It's off topic but I must say Chinese have really bad memory. 2-3 years ago, a Chinese restaurant in Beijing presented a sign forbid Vietnam, Philippinese and dogs entering the shop. That caused quite a stir. What I want to talk about is that the sign in the restaurant was clearly a copy from the sign in the famous movie First of Fury, in which the sign was used by Japanese and Westerners to discriminating Chinese. Even as a VNese, I know about the legend of the sign, and when I saw the restaurant used a similar sign, I remembered the Japanese sign.

I don't understand why Chinese love to use the same things others used to humiliate them against others? Like a topic here in PDF used to be about Thailand being "sick man of Asia". Didn't that also come from Chinese being humiliated first? What's so good about using your own humiliation against others, while you at the same time are being reminded about it?

 

[Zsari]

France colonial period is short time in Vietnam history. Vietnam controlled Islands from long time ago. Chinese ancient book called the sea is " Jiao Zhi sea".
Historic evidence

The Viet Nam National University-HCM City on the occasion of Viet Nam's Sea and Island Week from June 1-8, introduced a book on June 3 that confirms Viet Nam's sovereignty over the Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) archipelagos.

The book, Chu Quyen Viet Nam Tren Bien Dong va Hoang Sa-Truong Sa (Viet Nam's Sovereignty in the East Sea and Hoang Sa-Truong Sa) was written by well-known HCM City historian and geographer Nguyen Dinh Dau.

The eight-chapter book includes historical descriptions of the islands in the East Sea and their status during the Late Le dynasty, the Tay Son dynasty, the period from 1945 to 1975, and from 1975 to the present time.

The book contains maps from the 15th century onwards that were created by Vietnamese, Chinese, Europeans and Americans to help in exploration and commercial navigation.

Textbook recognizes China’s southern border as Hainan Island - News VietNamNet

Lol. The article here accuse China of "flase memory syndrom" by citing territory of ancient kingdoms, and you brought an article that make territorial claim based on old dynasty like the Tay Son? Tay Son occupied Cambodia, are you claiming Cambodia too? Like its being said, other than just what he said she said since China can issue even longer books of "historical evidence" to the island chains, historical possession has no relevance here. What's relevant here is that by the time French released its colony, creating the modern day Vietnam, China has already made its claim to the islands.