Indonesia has a population of over 256 million, their economy is gigantic (in regards to ASEAN region). So $20 Billion is totally acceptable for a nation its size. Indonesia , as an Archipelagic Nation, must have a powerful navy. Navy and Air Force development is a must for Indonesia.
China worries may boost Indonesia defence spending to $20 billion/year - official
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Would you name North Korea, Russia ?
North Korea is not on good terms with China. The stupid Kim execute his pro China uncle and we China only ship very limited amount of goods to let them barely survive.
Russia just embrace China recently. Before that they are actually business wise more Europe oriented.
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Let me correct you, China get rich when doing well with USA and Japan, European since 197x.
It didn't change much now.
Look at these and tell us about Indonesia's threat !!!
Let me tells you. US and Europe very much depends on China market. China in the 90 and early 2000 depend west but now our market consumption is strong. Look at their west branded goods, heavily depend on Chinese customer for growth.
Our taobao 11/11 single day sales prove China consumption power is very strong.
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It's WTO effect. And your goods could enter their markets.
Western brand, China made at lowest cost, China buys at highest price. ... LOL
An example, Apple !!!
100 million of Iphone made at lowest cost, for example 200 dollars.
And export to the world, China recorded that as 20 billions of their GDP.
Actually, Foxconn get profit and pay only 200 million of wages, salaries.
And when Chinese rushes for Iphone purchase at 600 dollar / set, 10 million sets = 6 billion dollars. Again profit come to Apple. They made at 2 billion of cost, equal 20 million of payment to Chinese workers and get 4 billion of profit for only 10 million set.
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20 billion US dollar is still a small amount when compared to our ambitions though 
But surely we can't go into berserk mode like the Saudis did in recent years, gradual growth like the Chinese show to us is one of the best model to create a balance between economic growth and defense spending.
My wish list is still the same,
about 20 Sigma class light frigate
about 6 to 8 second hand AAW frigate
couple of Aegis capable Destroyer ships
15 squadrons of Multirole fighter
around 12 to 16 Submarine forces
and the list will go on
errr Muslim rules how? Indonesia has been led by Nationalist faction since our independence
But surely we can't go into berserk mode like the Saudis did in recent years, gradual growth like the Chinese show to us is one of the best model to create a balance between economic growth and defense spending.
My wish list is still the same,
about 20 Sigma class light frigate
about 6 to 8 second hand AAW frigate
couple of Aegis capable Destroyer ships
15 squadrons of Multirole fighter
around 12 to 16 Submarine forces
and the list will go on
errr Muslim rules how? Indonesia has been led by Nationalist faction since our independence
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Indonesia May Sink Chinese Vessels: Jokowi Adviser
An adviser to Indonesia’s president says Jakarta may sink Chinese vessels caught fishing illegally in Indonesian waters.
By Prashanth Parameswaran
December 11, 2014
Image Credit: Fishing boat via Shi Yali / Shutterstock.com
Indonesia may consider sinking Chinese vessels that were caught illegally fishing in Indonesian waters, a foreign policy adviser to Indonesian president Joko “Jokowi” Widodo said Wednesday.
“We sank Vietnamese boats last week…maybe we will sink Chinese boats after that also,” Rizal Sukma, concurrently executive director of the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank in Jakarta, told an audience during a book launch at the Indonesian embassy in Washington, D.C.
Rizal was referring to Indonesia’s decision to orchestrate a highly-public sinking of three empty Vietnamese vessels last Friday to deter illegal fishing, a practice that costs the country billions of dollars in lost revenue each year. The seizure of 22 Chinese fishing boats in Indonesian waters on Sunday has raised questions about whether the Jokowi administration will risk angering Beijing by sinking them as well.
Following the seizure, Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Minister Susi Pudjiastuti said earlier this week that she had made a formal appeal to Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi, who would then pass it on to the Chinese Embassy in Indonesia in what she termed “the persuasive route.” But she also said she was considering sinking the ships if Jokowi gave the green light.
China, for its part, is working with Indonesian officials to confirm details of the incident and has asked the Indonesian authorities “to ensure the safety and legal rights of Chinese crews and address this issue properly,” according to Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei in a written statement to the Wall Street Journal.
For Jakarta, sinking the ships could risk straining the Sino-Indonesian relationship. China is Indonesia’s second largest trading partner, its top source of foreign tourists, and a growing investor, with both sides upgrading the relationship to a comprehensive strategic partnership during Chinese President Xi Jinping’s first visit to Jakarta last year.
The relationship has also gained further momentum over the past few weeks, with Indonesia joining and offering to host China’s new Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and looking to boost tourism with Beijing. Jokowi and his advisers have also noted the close alignment between both countries’ key maritime concepts – China’s Maritime Silk Road and Indonesia’s Global Maritime Fulcrum.
Yet Indonesian officials have also remained firm on this issue thus far despite pleas from other countries. They consistently note that Indonesia’s 2009 Fishery Law permits monitoring officers and investigators to take measures against foreign vessels caught fishing illegally, including sinking them. Jokowi himself defended his decision on December 9 following complaints from other countries, saying he had asked his foreign minister to explain that it is “a purely criminal issue” and had “nothing to do with neighborly relations.”
Some in Indonesia have also argued that the Jokowi administration needs to be consistent in sinking foreign vessels regardless of the country involved in order for the policy to serve as an effective deterrent. Indonesian Defense University professor Salim Said said that the government “should not hold back on its stern action to ensure that the vessels “do not get a chance to return to Indonesian waters.”
Beyond China, Rizal also hinted that Indonesia may sink five Thai vessels in the coming days which have been held since they were captured in West Kalimantan in early November. Susi had said on Friday that Indonesia would sink even more foreign boats this week on December 14, but she had declined to disclose further details.
Indonesia is believed to have captured more than 150 foreign boats as of Tuesday this week. Jokowi has repeatedly said that around 5,000 ships – mostly from Thailand, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and China – operate illegally in Indonesian waters every day, and that the country suffers annual losses of over $20 billion dollars due to this practice.
http://thediplomat.com/2014/12/indonesia-may-sink-chinese-vessels-jokowi-adviser/
An adviser to Indonesia’s president says Jakarta may sink Chinese vessels caught fishing illegally in Indonesian waters.
By Prashanth Parameswaran
December 11, 2014
Image Credit: Fishing boat via Shi Yali / Shutterstock.com
Indonesia may consider sinking Chinese vessels that were caught illegally fishing in Indonesian waters, a foreign policy adviser to Indonesian president Joko “Jokowi” Widodo said Wednesday.
“We sank Vietnamese boats last week…maybe we will sink Chinese boats after that also,” Rizal Sukma, concurrently executive director of the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank in Jakarta, told an audience during a book launch at the Indonesian embassy in Washington, D.C.
Rizal was referring to Indonesia’s decision to orchestrate a highly-public sinking of three empty Vietnamese vessels last Friday to deter illegal fishing, a practice that costs the country billions of dollars in lost revenue each year. The seizure of 22 Chinese fishing boats in Indonesian waters on Sunday has raised questions about whether the Jokowi administration will risk angering Beijing by sinking them as well.
Following the seizure, Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Minister Susi Pudjiastuti said earlier this week that she had made a formal appeal to Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi, who would then pass it on to the Chinese Embassy in Indonesia in what she termed “the persuasive route.” But she also said she was considering sinking the ships if Jokowi gave the green light.
China, for its part, is working with Indonesian officials to confirm details of the incident and has asked the Indonesian authorities “to ensure the safety and legal rights of Chinese crews and address this issue properly,” according to Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei in a written statement to the Wall Street Journal.
For Jakarta, sinking the ships could risk straining the Sino-Indonesian relationship. China is Indonesia’s second largest trading partner, its top source of foreign tourists, and a growing investor, with both sides upgrading the relationship to a comprehensive strategic partnership during Chinese President Xi Jinping’s first visit to Jakarta last year.
The relationship has also gained further momentum over the past few weeks, with Indonesia joining and offering to host China’s new Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and looking to boost tourism with Beijing. Jokowi and his advisers have also noted the close alignment between both countries’ key maritime concepts – China’s Maritime Silk Road and Indonesia’s Global Maritime Fulcrum.
Yet Indonesian officials have also remained firm on this issue thus far despite pleas from other countries. They consistently note that Indonesia’s 2009 Fishery Law permits monitoring officers and investigators to take measures against foreign vessels caught fishing illegally, including sinking them. Jokowi himself defended his decision on December 9 following complaints from other countries, saying he had asked his foreign minister to explain that it is “a purely criminal issue” and had “nothing to do with neighborly relations.”
Some in Indonesia have also argued that the Jokowi administration needs to be consistent in sinking foreign vessels regardless of the country involved in order for the policy to serve as an effective deterrent. Indonesian Defense University professor Salim Said said that the government “should not hold back on its stern action to ensure that the vessels “do not get a chance to return to Indonesian waters.”
Beyond China, Rizal also hinted that Indonesia may sink five Thai vessels in the coming days which have been held since they were captured in West Kalimantan in early November. Susi had said on Friday that Indonesia would sink even more foreign boats this week on December 14, but she had declined to disclose further details.
Indonesia is believed to have captured more than 150 foreign boats as of Tuesday this week. Jokowi has repeatedly said that around 5,000 ships – mostly from Thailand, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and China – operate illegally in Indonesian waters every day, and that the country suffers annual losses of over $20 billion dollars due to this practice.
http://thediplomat.com/2014/12/indonesia-may-sink-chinese-vessels-jokowi-adviser/
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Incorrect. Japan make the most profit from Iphone sales.
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ah yes. Japanese take profit from cost of Apple. Profit of Apple from sale minus its cost.
20 billion US dollar is still a small amount when compared to our ambitions though
But surely we can't go into berserk mode like the Saudis did in recent years, gradual growth like the Chinese show to us is one of the best model to create a balance between economic growth and defense spending.
My wish list is still the same,
about 20 Sigma class light frigate
about 6 to 8 second hand AAW frigate
couple of Aegis capable Destroyer ships
15 squadrons of Multirole fighter
around 12 to 16 Submarine forces
and the list will go on
errr Muslim rules how? Indonesia has been led by Nationalist faction since our independence
Great list. So to be an Indonesian, which parts of your country, you worried the most?
Sometimes it is easy to save money and buy a huge military force.
Yet it cost more to maintain these facility and weapon..
Otherwise these weapon and facility will either become useless or ruin the countries`s economy..
So the economy usually is more important than military.
Also China boost its military with economy boost, yet China still keep the military force limited in size and cost..
As I heard, extreme Muslim are forcing everyone to follow strict muslim rules
Like no love between boys and girls, etc..
Japan is only making limit profit from Apple sales..
Usually Apple material cost is around 200 USD with sales price of 800-1000USD.
the 600-800 USD are rough profit of Apple..
Yet it cost more to maintain these facility and weapon..
Otherwise these weapon and facility will either become useless or ruin the countries`s economy..
So the economy usually is more important than military.
Also China boost its military with economy boost, yet China still keep the military force limited in size and cost..
As I heard, extreme Muslim are forcing everyone to follow strict muslim rules
Like no love between boys and girls, etc..
20 billion US dollar is still a small amount when compared to our ambitions though
But surely we can't go into berserk mode like the Saudis did in recent years, gradual growth like the Chinese show to us is one of the best model to create a balance between economic growth and defense spending.
My wish list is still the same,
about 20 Sigma class light frigate
about 6 to 8 second hand AAW frigate
couple of Aegis capable Destroyer ships
15 squadrons of Multirole fighter
around 12 to 16 Submarine forces
and the list will go on
errr Muslim rules how? Indonesia has been led by Nationalist faction since our independence
Japan is only making limit profit from Apple sales..
Usually Apple material cost is around 200 USD with sales price of 800-1000USD.
the 600-800 USD are rough profit of Apple..
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Indonesia May Sink Chinese Vessels: Jokowi Adviser
An adviser to Indonesia’s president says Jakarta may sink Chinese vessels caught fishing illegally in Indonesian waters.
By Prashanth Parameswaran
December 11, 2014
Image Credit: Fishing boat via Shi Yali / Shutterstock.com
Indonesia may consider sinking Chinese vessels that were caught illegally fishing in Indonesian waters, a foreign policy adviser to Indonesian president Joko “Jokowi” Widodo said Wednesday.
“We sank Vietnamese boats last week…maybe we will sink Chinese boats after that also,” Rizal Sukma, concurrently executive director of the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank in Jakarta, told an audience during a book launch at the Indonesian embassy in Washington, D.C.
Rizal was referring to Indonesia’s decision to orchestrate a highly-public sinking of three empty Vietnamese vessels last Friday to deter illegal fishing, a practice that costs the country billions of dollars in lost revenue each year. The seizure of 22 Chinese fishing boats in Indonesian waters on Sunday has raised questions about whether the Jokowi administration will risk angering Beijing by sinking them as well.
Following the seizure, Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Minister Susi Pudjiastuti said earlier this week that she had made a formal appeal to Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi, who would then pass it on to the Chinese Embassy in Indonesia in what she termed “the persuasive route.” But she also said she was considering sinking the ships if Jokowi gave the green light.
China, for its part, is working with Indonesian officials to confirm details of the incident and has asked the Indonesian authorities “to ensure the safety and legal rights of Chinese crews and address this issue properly,” according to Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei in a written statement to the Wall Street Journal.
For Jakarta, sinking the ships could risk straining the Sino-Indonesian relationship. China is Indonesia’s second largest trading partner, its top source of foreign tourists, and a growing investor, with both sides upgrading the relationship to a comprehensive strategic partnership during Chinese President Xi Jinping’s first visit to Jakarta last year.
The relationship has also gained further momentum over the past few weeks, with Indonesia joining and offering to host China’s new Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and looking to boost tourism with Beijing. Jokowi and his advisers have also noted the close alignment between both countries’ key maritime concepts – China’s Maritime Silk Road and Indonesia’s Global Maritime Fulcrum.
Yet Indonesian officials have also remained firm on this issue thus far despite pleas from other countries. They consistently note that Indonesia’s 2009 Fishery Law permits monitoring officers and investigators to take measures against foreign vessels caught fishing illegally, including sinking them. Jokowi himself defended his decision on December 9 following complaints from other countries, saying he had asked his foreign minister to explain that it is “a purely criminal issue” and had “nothing to do with neighborly relations.”
Some in Indonesia have also argued that the Jokowi administration needs to be consistent in sinking foreign vessels regardless of the country involved in order for the policy to serve as an effective deterrent. Indonesian Defense University professor Salim Said said that the government “should not hold back on its stern action to ensure that the vessels “do not get a chance to return to Indonesian waters.”
Beyond China, Rizal also hinted that Indonesia may sink five Thai vessels in the coming days which have been held since they were captured in West Kalimantan in early November. Susi had said on Friday that Indonesia would sink even more foreign boats this week on December 14, but she had declined to disclose further details.
Indonesia is believed to have captured more than 150 foreign boats as of Tuesday this week. Jokowi has repeatedly said that around 5,000 ships – mostly from Thailand, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and China – operate illegally in Indonesian waters every day, and that the country suffers annual losses of over $20 billion dollars due to this practice.
can you do that ? chinese members will say Indonesia is not leader of ASEAN.
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A strong and leading Indonesia is what Vietnam want.
It's true to North Korea or North Vietnam during Vietnam War.
We don't want that scenario.
It's true to North Korea or North Vietnam during Vietnam War.
We don't want that scenario.
