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China will 'compel' Saudi Arabia to trade oil in yuan — and that's going to affect the US dollar
  • "I believe that yuan pricing of oil is coming and as soon as the Saudis move to accept it — as the Chinese will compel them to do — then the rest of the oil market will move along with them," Carl Weinberg, chief economist and managing director at High Frequency Economics, told CNBC
  • In recent years, several nations opposed to the dollar being the world's reserve currency have progressively sought to try and abandon it
  • OPEC kingpin Saudi Arabia is at the crux of the petrodollar
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Sam Meredith | @smeredith19
Published 1:57 AM ET Wed, 11 Oct 2017 Updated 21 Hours Ago

China will "compel" Saudi Arabia to trade oil in yuan and, when this happens, the rest of the oil market will follow suit and abandon the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency, a leading economist told CNBC on Monday.

Carl Weinberg, chief economist and managing director at High Frequency Economics, said Beijing stands to become the most dominant global player in oil demand since China usurped the U.S. as the "biggest oil importer on the planet."

Saudi Arabia has "to pay attention to this because even as much as one or two years from now, Chinese demand will dwarf U.S. demand," Weinberg said.


"I believe that yuan pricing of oil is coming and as soon as the Saudis move to accept it — as the Chinese will compel them to do — then the rest of the oil market will move along with them."

Crux of the petrodollar
In recent years, several nations opposed to the dollar being the world's reserve currency have progressively sought to try and abandon it.

For instance, Russia and China have sought to operate in a non-dollar environment when trading oil. Both countries have also increased their efforts to mine and acquire physical gold if, or perhaps when, the dollar collapses.

OPEC kingpin Saudi Arabia is at the crux of the petrodollar.

Since a 1974 agreement between U.S. President Richard Nixon and Saudi King Faisal, Saudi Arabia has accepted payments for nearly all of its oil exports in dollars. However, as China imports more and more oil from countries across the world, the idea of having to purchase that same oil in dollars has become increasingly irritable to Beijing.

In recent years, China has sought to ratchet up the pressure on Saudi Arabia over the form of currency in which their oil trade is conducted, with Riyadh now enjoying less and less oil purchases from Beijing.

What does it mean for the dollar?
When asked what it could mean for the dollar should the oil market move oil trade out of the U.S. currency and into the yuan, Weinberg said the world's transaction currency would suffer "lesser demand for U.S. securities across the board."

"Moving oil trade out of dollars into yuan will take right now between $600 billion and $800 billion worth of transactions out of the dollar… (That) means a stronger demand for things in China, whether it's securities or whether it's goods and services. It is a growth plus for China and that's why they want this to happen."
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/11/chi...-and-thats-going-to-affect-the-us-dollar.html
 
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Exactly,

And this is why the US will NEVER EVER tolerate CPEC.

CPEC is the death of US dollar as we know it.

Refer to Pres Obama's speech few weeks ago, whereby he was worried about America's wealth.

well, here it is.
 
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US wealth is built upon US dollar dominance, take away that, US is nothing.
Still a big agricultural land indeed -- producing plenty of corn, soybean, wheat and so forth.
Yet taking away the WRC "printers", gone then the MIC shopping spree... plus the shutdown of the many hundreds of outposts.

And gone as well the extravagant, disproportionate level of consumption (i.e. 5% of world's population indulge in the 20% of the world's consumption!) Just carrying on normal life same as the ROW... whereas a nation need to work hard to earn the money and build the wealth and to consume in return... no more "printers" to "print" freely from the thin air in exchange of other's labour, sweats, goods and natural resources.
 
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The article failed to provide two strong point.

If indeed Saudi changed settling from USD to Yuan, that mean the US will drop 600-800 billions per year in trading, but at the same time, China would have to spare 600 to 800 billions dollar per year to fill the gap, it don't need to take a Economy Professor to tell you that will damage Chinese Currency by hyping a huge inflation if that did happen. On the other hand, US Dollar having 5 trillions trade per day, taking out 1 trillions a yearmay hurt USD but will not be as much as Yuan. In fact, it'd give USD advantage in a long run as it relieve the demand for USD worldwide.

Saudi will not settle OPEC oil trade in Yuan, you can dream about it, but it simply never going to happen.
 
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The article failed to provide two strong point.

If indeed Saudi changed settling from USD to Yuan, that mean the US will drop 600-800 billions per year in trading, but at the same time, China would have to spare 600 to 800 billions dollar per year to fill the gap, it don't need to take a Economy Professor to tell you that will damage Chinese Currency by hyping a huge inflation if that did happen. On the other hand, US Dollar having 5 trillions trade per day, taking out 1 trillions a yearmay hurt USD but will not be as much as Yuan. In fact, it'd give USD advantage in a long run as it relieve the demand for USD worldwide.

Saudi will not settle OPEC oil trade in Yuan, you can dream about it, but it simply never going to happen.
When you say never, you already lost the argument, let wait and see.
 
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When you say never, you already lost the argument, let wait and see.

And wasn't by saying "Let's wait and see" you have already lost the argument too?

It's not even remotely possible to replace USD in any part of the world without seriously damaging Yuan or any currency, and that's the catch 22 situation, in order to replace USD, you will need to Print a lot of RMB in order to do so, and by doing so, it will place Chinese economy in an extremely unfavourable term, which if that happens, nobody will buy RMB, and thus, this can never replace USD.

The only way you can replace USD in any part of the world is to develop a sort of Global Currency Certificate which the world would have to share the responsibility, thus can replace USD as the de-nominal currency of the world while in a manageable manner, otherwise, the only other way to replace USD is to have another World War that devastated the world but for China to come out relatively unscathed like US did during WW2. But we all know if WW3 happens, it will be a thermonuclear war, which mean there won't be anyone coming out ahead of everyone else. If that happen, currency as we know it is gone as a concept, and it will be replace with a long period of Bartering in post apocalyptic world.

So, yes, RMB can NEVER replace USD, in fact, not a single currency can replace USD given USD have around 50 trillions trade a year, to replace it, mean you will have similar amount of stock currency and this number, is enough to kill ANY ECONOMY, China included.
 
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Any such move will have no effect on $ unless we are talking about fractions, which is usual market fluctuation.
This is my personal guess, based on my personal evaluation.
 
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I was talking about this statement. it won't be long til we can find out.

You can wait, but it will never happens, as I said before, China did not have enough influence and leverage on Saudi Arabia and the big 4 in OPEC (SA, Iraq, Kuwait and UAE) China may be able to sway Iran and Venezuela for now, but both weren't a major player and the latter is nothing but a failed states, even with the world largest Oil Reserve.

Also, the longer China wait, the longer Oil will become irrelevant, as the world is moving away from Oil anyway, if you really want to destroy petrodollar, you get more chance to success if you promote "Renewable Yuan" than Petrol Dollar. And as many people already said here, pushing Petrodollar would not even dent the US currency seriously in any way or form.
 
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You can wait, but it will never happens, as I said before, China did not have enough influence and leverage on Saudi Arabia and the big 4 in OPEC (SA, Iraq, Kuwait and UAE) China may be able to sway Iran and Venezuela for now, but both weren't a major player and the latter is nothing but a failed states, even with the world largest Oil Reserve.

Also, the longer China wait, the longer Oil will become irrelevant, as the world is moving away from Oil anyway, if you really want to destroy petrodollar, you get more chance to success if you promote "Renewable Yuan" than Petrol Dollar. And as many people already said here, pushing Petrodollar would not even dent the US currency seriously in any way or form.

Let Saudis decide.
 
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The article failed to provide two strong point.

If indeed Saudi changed settling from USD to Yuan, that mean the US will drop 600-800 billions per year in trading, but at the same time, China would have to spare 600 to 800 billions dollar per year to fill the gap, it don't need to take a Economy Professor to tell you that will damage Chinese Currency by hyping a huge inflation if that did happen. On the other hand, US Dollar having 5 trillions trade per day, taking out 1 trillions a yearmay hurt USD but will not be as much as Yuan. In fact, it'd give USD advantage in a long run as it relieve the demand for USD worldwide.

Saudi will not settle OPEC oil trade in Yuan, you can dream about it, but it simply never going to happen.

It wont happen all of sudden but gradually. other countries wont switch to Chinese currency over night but it might take a decade to do so...the point here is that the world will have option to trade in two currencies. when OPEC decided to only trade in USD there were no negatives for US Dollars but only the positive.
 
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It wont happen all of sudden but gradually. other countries wont switch to Chinese currency over night but it might take a decade to do so...the point here is that the world will have option to trade in two currencies. when OPEC decided to only trade in USD there were no negatives for US Dollars but only the positive.

You failed to see the problem.

Even if OPEC trade in Yuan or any given currency, it won't touch the USD, because for a simple fact, Saudi Arabia did not use Yuan as their standard currency, they use Riyal as their currency, which mean even if Saudi (or any country in OPEC in this sense) uses Yuan to settle Oil payment, they will have to exchange it back to Riyal to be able for the Saudi to use it, which mean you will have to exchange the Yuan to USD, then from USD to Riyal because Saudi Arabia did not hold Yuan as a reserve currency, they hold USD. Along with the world, USD have 68% dominance in world reserve currency, which mean even if any country settle with Yuan, it won't do much to USD, in fact, it would help USD because the more currency change hand, the more fee bank is going to able to charge them, which mean a transaction using RMB - USD - SAR would incur more fee than USD - SAR direct (because you will need to first do RMB to USD first, then USD to SAR, which mean you can double charge the exchange rate, instead of a single charge of USD to SAR)

Now, ask yourself this, would Saudi Arabia do that? I can see Russia or Iran or Venezuela do that because of their hatred to the US, but would Saudi Arabia choose to double charge their exchange rate just to satisfy the Chinese government when Saudi Arabia is on good term with the US, in fact, an allied? In a pure Business Standpoint, they won't, because it would just be shooting themselves in the foot with nothing to show for.

But hey, everything is possible.
 
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