China wants to push polluting 'sunset' industries to India

[kyle Chiang]

Apply sufficient environmental checks and conditions before inviting polluting industries, China in her rush to attract FDI ignored environmental concerns in the past and now paying the price for it, but we should ask for modern technology with minimum possible pollution when we do it.

modern technology=money
If the company want to pay the price to improve their technology,why they need move their factories to India?
As we known,India a no business-friendly country with fussy visa procedures,intermittent electric power,terrible traffic system,endless corruption and absolutely uneducated workforce. (Sorry,these words are not friendly)
Modern manufacturing industry don't only need a computer and a engineer like software industry.No complete and advanced industrial chain,no competitive manufacture company.That's why China can't make a air bus before and we can do that now.
Even you, a English-speaking educated people don't know anything about manufacturing industry,how about the poor people who never get education?
China has paid terrible price in environment because we have no choice 30 years ago.No pain,no gain.We achieved much more than we lost.And maybe during only 20 years,we will solve this problem.
I don't understand why Indian enjoy laughing at China.Frankly speaking,India fall behind China for at least 20 years in most areas.If you see and think ,you will find Chinese don't enjoy laugh at America at all,because we know who we are.

 

[SouthDesi]

 

[SouthDesi]

 

[mike2000]

You are correct, Now China has become a market for health care industry. If we compare manufacturing and services sector, One white collar job can create as many as 5 extra jobs.

Compared to Manufacturing, Services sector returns are more a small capital can return more profits.

Manufacturing is needed but India should concentrate more of High tech industries and technology development.

India also should concentrate on skill development of the available human resources.

My GOD, are you dreaming or being sarcastic bro? My good friend He-man, has rightly pointed out that you have to start from somewhere. So you think India can just start manufacturing 'High tech industries' from Zero? lol Good luck with that bros.

India doesnt even have an ecosystem to manufacture even basic low-grade products it consumes, much less high tech ones. It will take at least 3-4 decades for India to even get close to Chinas current manufacturing industry/capabilities to be honest, and thats if India starts now and fast. Judging by some mentalities here, i think it will take even more longer. There are things you just cant skip/avoid bro. You have to follow a process to get to high tech manufacturing. Even China with all its years/experience in manufacturing is still just now forming its own high tech Champions/having a mature high tech industry(though it still has a long way to go for them to be truly global like their American counterpart), and you think India can just come from nowhere and start producing such high tech giants/industries? lol

Manufacturing is very very important for a developing country to prosper and be self reliant in most of its needs with time as its industries mature. If things goes on as they have been going for sometime now, then im afraid in a decade or two from now, China will be like the U.S and India Mexico. So India needs to get its acts together and fast. Else it will beleft behind even much more than it is already. Afterall, most industries/companies who are moving out of China are not even going to the obvious destination i.e India, but they are instead moving into Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia and other south east Asian countries. When companies choose smaller countries like these countries then India should know it indeed has a problem, if it doesnt, then im afraid i dont see anything that will make you people see you have a problem and need major reforms and fast.

As for your other Indian brother who said China is left with Pollution and CCP. If i want to honest(like im always.), i will have to dissapoint you. I have visited both China and India. Honestly bro, China is way way way ahead of India in all aspects/fields development/standard of living wise. The average Person there lives a far better life than the average Indian. In fact there's no comparism at all. Well its not just India though. South Asia is at least 3-4 decades behind(and im being optimistic here) east Asia development/living standards. its like two different continents to be honest.So if anything you shouldnt be making fun of them, since you needs decades of very fast growth/planning/implementation to get where they are today. Though i also understand why he reacted that way/made that comment, since some Chinese members here themselves like indulging in trolling/making agressive comments, instead of focusing on topic at hand, and making a point respectfully. However we should avoid in making similar comments which we know arent true. Anyway hope Indias new government will change India for the best. Since judging by comments on here, he seems to be a reformist/man for development/business. Good luck to India on this.

 

[Srinivas]

I haven't read your post completely, But I can say one thing. Live in your delusions and illusions. I hate it when a chinese say we are advanced and are 3 to 4 decades ahead, the next thought I get is let these guys live in their delusions !!

Even to assert superiority over others one needs lot of qualities and achievements, China cannot/will not come in this category. CCP is seen as the oppressive regime and has few friends all over the world, soft power wise china cannot do what India can do. Add to that the rhetorics and fights with neighbours.

All in all China is an over grown beast with greed, Not a power which can change/influence Asia or can make an impact on the Globe.

On the other hand India has all the ingredients to make an impact on neighbours positively , and is poised to make a major impact globally in the coming decades.

India is forming JV's with High tech industries overseas, it is not like we are copying and so we have to start from scratch, when you form JV's the technology can be absorbed in no time. At the same Time India has booming Pharma, IT and Biotechnology are major strengths.

Manufacturing is a low end goods like what chinese did is not a big deal, Infrastructure wise India is lacking, But states are concentrating more in this sector. India will spend more than 1000 Billion only on infrastructure.

But India is not in hurry like CCP, we do it our way , a more sustainable way and eco friendly way.

China is a bad model to imitate, for a big country like India, the model that CCP followed is even not fit for China !!

My GOD, are you dreaming or being sarcastic bro? My good friend He-man, has rightly pointed out that you have to start from somewhere. So you think India can just start manufacturing 'High tech industries' from Zero? lol Good luck with that bros.

India doesnt even have an ecosystem to manufacture even basic low-grade products it consumes, much less high tech ones. It will take at least 3-4 decades for India to even get close to Chinas current manufacturing industry/capabilities to be honest, and thats if India starts now and fast. Judging by some mentalities here, i think it will take even more longer. There are things you just cant skip/avoid bro. You have to follow a process to get to high tech manufacturing. Even China with all its years/experience in manufacturing is still just now forming its own high tech Champions/having a mature high tech industry(though it still has a long way to go for them to be truly global like their American counterpart), and you think India can just come from nowhere and start producing such high tech giants/industries? lol

Manufacturing is very very important for a developing country to prosper and be self reliant in most of its needs with time as its industries mature. If things goes on as they have been going for sometime now, then im afraid in a decade or two from now, China will be like the U.S and India Mexico. So India needs to get its acts together and fast. Else it will beleft behind even much more than it is already. Afterall, most industries/companies who are moving out of China are not even going to the obvious destination i.e India, but they are instead moving into Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia and other south east Asian countries. When companies choose smaller countries like these countries then India should know it indeed has a problem, if it doesnt, then im afraid i dont see anything that will make you people see you have a problem and need major reforms and fast.

As for your other Indian brother who said China is left with Pollution and CCP. If i want to honest(like im always.), i will have to dissapoint you. I have visited both China and India. Honestly bro, China is way way way ahead of India in all aspects/fields development/standard of living wise. The average Person there lives a far better life than the average Indian. In fact there's no comparism at all. Well its not just India though. South Asia is at least 3-4 decades behind(and im being optimistic here) east Asia development/living standards. its like two different continents to be honest.So if anything you shouldnt be making fun of them, since you needs decades of very fast growth/planning/implementation to get where they are today. Though i also understand why he reacted that way/made that comment, since some Chinese members here themselves like indulging in trolling/making agressive comments, instead of focusing on topic at hand, and making a point respectfully. However we should avoid in making similar comments which we know arent true. Anyway hope Indias new government will change India for the best. Since judging by comments on here, he seems to be a reformist/man for development/business. Good luck to India on this.

 

[cloud_9]

I am appalled at their attitude

Seriously! So you want to give food to those millions of hungry people and then kill everybody(rich+poor) slowly with poisonous environment.

Do you think the little they will earn from these sweatshops will be used for buying food items ? They will soon be spending most of their earnings on health related issues and you want to **** up the environment for good;so that the coming generations will never know what a blue sky looks like.

Try living a day in Delhi,Beijing,Shanghai or Guangzhou.These cities are killing their residents slowly, while they spend most of their earning from the so called jobs to extend their lives.

 

[he-man]

Seriously! So you want to give food to those millions of hungry people and then kill everybody(rich+poor) slowly with poisonous environment.

Do you think the little they will earn from these sweatshops will be used for buying food items ? They will soon be spending most of their earnings on health related issues and you want to **** up the environment for good;so that the coming generations will never know what a blue sky looks like.

Try living a day in Delhi,Beijing,Shanghai or Guangzhou.These cities are killing their residents slowly, while they spend most of their earning from the so called jobs to extend their lives.

Saying this comes easy sitting in ac and enjoying life,,when u have to live without food,electricity and clean drinking water then say this ...........i may actually listen then.

 

[cloud_9]

Saying this comes easy sitting in ac and enjoying life,,when u have to live without food,electricity and clean drinking water then say this ...........i may actually listen then.

I bet you you haven't heard about the word "Sustainability".

 

[he-man]

I bet you you haven't heard about the word "Sustainability".

I bet u haven't seen people dying of malnourishment and hunger.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

I bet u haven't seen people dying of malnourishment and hunger.

I have the sentiment that certain people think letting people rotting in poverty and starvation is considered a sustainable economy.

 

[he-man]

I have the sentiment that certain people think letting people rotting in poverty and starvation is considered a sustainable economy.

Stupid guys like to take a high moral ground without considering that 400 million of our population cannot even afford food.
To hell with hell people.

We need coal as its the cheapest and easiest to use,,it causes pollution,deal with it.
Similarly we need the factories,,any kind to start employment.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Stupid guys like to take a high moral ground without considering that 400 million of our population cannot even afford food.
To hell with hell people.

We need coal as its the cheapest and easiest to use,,it causes pollution,deal with it.
Similarly we need the factories,,any kind to start employment.

I think most of them are from higher castes, so I kind of understand their sentiment. It's hard to imagine them feeling anything for someone who they think are untouchable.

 

[he-man]

I think most of them are from higher castes, so I kind of understand their sentiment. It's hard to imagine them feeling anything for someone who they think are untouchable.

I am not someone dying of hunger but its visible everywhere in india.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

The biggest disadvantage that India lacks in building manufacturing is a dictatorial government that can make a joke of labor laws in China. Sadly that disadvantage is likely to not disappear and since polluting industires will be more accountable said 'sunset' Industries aren't coming this way. The CCP can herd their workers to continue doing them for the foreseeable future.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

I am not someone dying of hunger but its visible everywhere in india.

I was not talking about you dying of hunger.

Yeah, it's one of the first sight one gets in India leaving the airport.