China wants Bangladesh by its side against the US-India coalition

[VikingRaider]

China will not send it's army to fight Bangladesh's war with India, given China's self-centric foreign policy, we can not also expect China's diplomatic and military support in the time of military conflict. We are pretty much on our own during conflict times. So, becoming China's client state do not benefit us in anyway. We can get all the benefits China willing to offer just by maintaining economic and military co-operation as we are doing now. But becoming China's client state will exaggerbate our chance of conflict with India like a self-fullfilling prophesy. In such a case, we will lost sympathy of the West and much of the East. Plus chinese model of authoritarianism also does not suit us. Look at Myanmar, North Korea or Pakistan, do we want to become like them?

Well i am not talking to becoming a clinet state. I am just talking about forming alliance like quad or NATO.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

No one cares about your ( BD) interest
BD came into existence and continues to exist with the goodwill and blessing of foreign powers. In international politics goodwill comes at a price. BD will continue to pay the price or seek protection of new foreign power. All your governments since 1971 came to power with the blessing of foreign powers. This will continue .

Switzerland is not reliant on any other country for its existence. Switzerland was and still is the banker of Europe. So the swiss can remain neutral as everyone needs them. That is leverage. Don't be hilarious and compare BD to Switzerland.

To remain neutral BD needs leverage and a smart government. Sadly BD has neither.

So sooner or later BD will have to choose between Quad or China/ Russia.

2050 ?

More like around 2030...

Bangladesh can be in everyones camp just like Pakistan has ties with both US and China but not India. Also India doesn't have a self-identity and the US doesn't care if an ally is anti-India they don't follow the occasion. Highly prioritized allies like Australia, GCC etc etc. Bangladesh can have great defense ties with both ends US-EU-China etc etc.. But it has to keep it's deterence against India because that is the main next door threat. Nobody will fault BD in being vigilante in her defensive policies. Never assume US interests align with anyone in that matter.

Also the 2030s seem like 9 yrs from now and to early for the world to unraval that soon. It will take it's time slowly but eventually unraval. 2-3 decades is fairly decent estimation.

I agree with your every word bhai. You exactly read my mind.

We have to develop economically and military with high technology.

Besides we need a very very strong navy and anti naval warfare system, as our main threat will come through see since we are blocked by India.

So it's very easy to take us on our knees if you can successfully impose a hostile naval blockade.

So In order to counter such naval blockade we need s strong navy full with submarines.

I believe that's the reason GoB is focusing mainly on navy.

exactly. I also like the recent upscaling of BD armed forces, Navy etc etc. I just feel like Bangladesh is destined for something greater because the greatest chellenges are given to the best. One I truly believe BD will not only solve but come out as triumphant....

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

China does not need Bangladesh by its side.

China only wants all these nations to be remained independent and their presence is a reminder to USA and its allies that these nations are also friends of China.
Just don't push them.

 

[Jobless Jack]

Bangladesh can be in everyones camp just like Pakistan has ties with both US and China but not India. Also India doesn't have a self-identity and the US doesn't care if an ally is anti-India they don't follow the occasion. Highly prioritized allies like Australia, GCC etc etc. Bangladesh can have great defense ties with both ends US-EU-China etc etc.. But it has to keep it's deterence against India because that is the main next door threat. Nobody will fault BD in having vigilante in her defensive policies. Never assume US interests align with anyone in that matter.

Also the 2030s seem like 9 yrs from now and to early for the world to unraval that soon. It will take it's time slowly but eventually unraval. 2-3 decades is fairly decent estimation.



exactly. I also like the recent upscaling of BD armed forces, Navy etc etc. I just feel like Bangladesh is destined for something greater because the greatest chellenges are given to the best. One I in the end truly believe BD will not only solve but come out as triumphant....

Yes

But even if BD remains neutral. That act itself will be a declaration of war on India.

India expects nothing but complete obedience from BD. That was the point I was trying to get across.

Even if BJP loses in 2024 ( highly doubtful) , The actions of BJP govt has ring alarm bells in Dhaka. BD realizes how fatal it is to be close to Delhi. BD will try to strike a balance in its relationship with India.

India will not like this. Do not forget, they invested in 1971. not to have a balanced state, rather a state that will be pro India. What will BD do when India comes to collect her pound of flesh ? That is the point I am trying to make.

 

[VikingRaider]

Bangladesh can be in everyones camp just like Pakistan has ties with both US and China but not India.

Exactly ,I actually wanted to say we should choose the same path like Pakistan ,when I said about joining Chinese block.

I like to form a counter alliance of QUAD in future ,if we must have to be a part of any alliance.

But never choose Indian side.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Yes

But even if BD remains neutral. That act itself will be a declaration of war on India.

India expects nothing but complete obedience from BD. That was the point I was trying to get across.

Even if BJP loses in 2024 ( highly doubtful) , The actions of BJP govt has ring alarm bells in Dhaka. BD realizes how fatal it is to be close to Delhi. BD will try to strike a balance in its relationship with India.

India will not like this. Do not forget, they invested in 1971. not to have a balanced state, rather a state that will be pro India. What will BD do when India comes to collect her pound of flesh ? That is the point I am trying to make.

Both countries have nothing more with each other then trade and all the courtesy is do to trade ties but aside from that they don't have much in common and have drifted away from each other to much..

I never said BD should be neutral but be in everyones camp and also what neutrality declares war? BD is neutral currently and actully have relations with all sides..

India has zero investments in BD only trade ties which can be cut off completely if BD wants to do exlusively with others. The current balancing act only benefits BD due to trade and so furth and so on but if the hostilites continue from that other side BD could consider cutting ties with India and do trade elsewhere.

If India pushes the wrong bottoms BD will go to war with India 100%.. They have short temper and have strike back policy against anyone and everyone..... Please Bangladesh or they bite you there is only these two options

 

[Homo Sapiens]

No one cares about your ( BD) interest

We are enough to care for our interest. It seems there are other countries in the world who care about Pakistan's interest. Who are they?

BD came into existence and continues to exist with the goodwill and blessing of foreign powers. In international politics goodwill comes at a price. BD will continue to pay the price or seek protection of new foreign power. All your governments since 1971 came to power with the blessing of foreign powers. This will continue .

If this is the case then allow your favourite foreign power to usurp govt. in Bangladesh and install it's client regime. Why are you asking Bangladesh to change it's course? I know what you are saying here. But the truth is, India is not totally pleased with Awami League govt. for it's multifaced relationship with China which include purchasing Chinese weapons but ignoring the Indian weapons. India also does not like Bangladesh govt's bargaining related to trade, transit, and maritime boundary. It looks like your ''foreign power's blessing and goodwill'' isn't working 100% as supposed to. So it seems Bangladesh govt. maintaining some balance and autonomy when it comes to formulating foreign policy contrary to your rant here.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Exactly ,I actually wanted to say we should choose the same path like Pakistan ,when I said about joining Chinese block.

I like to form a counter alliance of QUAD in future ,if we must have to be a part of any alliance.

But never choose Indian side.

Exactly this is also what I meant.. We think alike on many subjects.. I also don't understand why some are deluding themselves in regards to the BJP they don't know how to run a government over there in Delhi and extremely provocative and burning bridges. Bangladesh will not allow hordes nor will it ever be overrun by hordes. vigilance on an epic porportions and the gallant effort of BD will be unbreachable it will be a zombie graveyard

 

[Jobless Jack]

Both countries have nothing more with each other then trade and all the courtesy is do to trade ties but aside from that they don't have much in common and have drifted away from each other to much..

I never said BD should be neutral but be in everyones camp and also what neutrality declares war? BD is neutral currently and actully have relations with all sides..

India has zero investments in BD only trade ties which can be cut off completely if BD wants to do exlusively with others. The current balancing act only benefits BD due to trade and so furth and so on but if the hostilites continue from that other side BD could consider cutting ties with India and do trade elsewhere.

If India pushes the wrong bottoms BD will go to war with India 100%.. They have short temper and have strike back policy against anyone and everyone..... Please Bangladesh or they bite you there is only these two options

India is already pushing the wrong bottoms

This will push the awami league in even worse position. They are trying to maintain a balance now to maintain their power. They should have adopted this policy a long time back. But their reputation is now made as india' s poodle. Nothing can change this.

But ulitmately India and their pet awami league will be pushed out.

In my opinion india will not take that outcome with ease. Expect indian retaliation.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

India is already pushing the wrong bottoms

This will push the awami league in even worse position. They are trying to maintain a balance now to maintain their power. They should have adopted this policy a long time back. But their reputation is now made as india' s poodle. Nothing can change this.

But ulitmately India and their pet awami league will be pushed out.

In my opinion india will not take that outcome with ease. Expect indian retaliation.

Lmao.. This is a ridiculous conspiracy.. India has no true allies all that cuddle is fanciful. BD doesn't care what India does or wants to do in it's foreign replies or what not.. the replies are irrelevant!

Try to poodle someone you know will take a punch at you at any wrong decisions or miscalculations you take if you are to provocative and act as if this country is friendly. You will find out the hard way but alas India already knows whats up and knows where the redline goes. It will be like cuddling with a venomous snake that you deep down know will murder you..

It is like Vietnam's or Japan's relations with China only thing is that the strength ratio of Bangladesh fares much better against India then it does against China.. Vietnam will never fold to China and the Chinese know this and the same here. There are redlines all that cuddle or hugging is fanciful but there is frosty air relations and carefully interacted. Example china has no subordinate in South East Asia despite it's strength. Why is that the reason. Because they differ politically and everyone wants his own shxt.. Interests are interests and that is as far people really go together..

All that is mere fantasy imaginations in the real world..

 

[Jobless Jack]

India has no true allies all that cuddle is fanciful. BD doesn't care what India does or wants to do in it's foreign replies or what not. Or replies!

Try poodle a someone you know will take a punch swing at you at any wrong decisions or miscalculations you take if you are to provocative and act as if this country is friendly. You will find out the hard way but alas India already knows whats up and knows where the redline goes.

It is like Vietnam's relations with China only thing is that the strength ratio of Bangladesh fares much better against India here then Vietnam does against China.. Vietnam will never fold to China and the Chinese know this and the same here. There are redlines cuddle or hugging but there are redlines and frosty air and carefully interacted. Example china has no subordinate in South East Asia despite it's strength. Why is that the reason. Because they differ politically and everyone wants his own shxt.. Interests are interests and that is as far people really go together..

All that is mere fanciful imaginations in the real world..

Agreed. But Indians dont seem to get the hint.

The more BD tries to distance the more awami league and india plays the 71' card even more to latch on..

 

[bluesky]

Well i am not talking to becoming a clinet state. I am just talking about forming alliance like quad or NATO.

You can expect a BD-China unwritten alliance and not an open alliance like QUAD.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

The more BD tries to distance the more awami league and india plays the 71' card even more to latch on..

They absolutely do know whats up atleast the BJP part definitely do.. They seem to be the extremists who run India and they know that there is nothing between BD and India.. They were the once saying no bird will be entering from BD.. They know whats up.. BJP views BD as an enemy flat out... So all this cuddling is way to far fatched from your narrative.. BD is someone they see as an enemy and someone they fear..... The relations are completely different.. It is frosty and carefully interacted..

BD and India have nothing together except trade ties

 

[Jobless Jack]

They absolutely do atleast the BJP part definitely do.. They seem to be the extremists who run India and they know that there is nothing between BD and India.. They were the once saying no bird will be entering from BD.. They know whats up.. BJP views BD as an enemy flat out... So all this cuddling is way to far fatched from your narrative.. BD is someone they see as an enemy and someone they fear..... The relations are completely different.. It is frosty and carefully interacted

Which is why i am saying. The awami leagues days are numbered. They have an enemy in BJP and they are do not enjoy support at home. As they are seen as Indian poodle.
Point is BAL is in Deep trouble. Balancing act will Only get then so far.

If BD is to maintain balance in her relationship. BAL is to be ejected from Dhaka. Otherwise Sooner or later BD will end up in the quad.

As a reaction, who ever replaces BAL, will swing towards china.

Both is bad option. So for the good of the country BaL must GO.

 

[VikingRaider]

Agreed. But Indians dont seem to get the hint.

The more BD tries to distance the more awami league and india plays the 71' card even more to latch on..

Now only India plays 71 card. You see Hasina no longer play political anti Pakistan rhetoric.

Some BAL minister still play , because it's the only way to keep chetona media silent.

Let them manage media and improve ties with Pakistan.

All the final cards will be neutralized soon. Just be patient.