China wants Bangladesh by its side against the US-India coalition

[bluesky]

Bangladesh would be idiotic to side with China against the US and India.

BD has not sided with QUAD, India, or the USA in their opposition to China. But, remaining neutral itself helps China and causes the Indian position to remain weak in the NE Arunachal.

BD neutrality means not allowing IA troops, equipment, or logistics and provisions to be supplied over land, water, and sky of Bangladesh. This makes Indian military operational capabilities very weak.

No wonder, India is using the US influence for BD to side with QUAD. That means, siding with India in times of emergency. This will allow IA or even the US troops to mobilize in the Indian NE by using BD land, air, and water. Without this, even the US overhead satellite intelligence will not help the IA because its mobility will remain very slow if BD does not allow its land to be used.

So, even BD neutrality goes against Indian interests.

 

[Cherub786]

BD has not sided with QUAD, India, or the USA in their opposition to China. But, remaining neutral itself helps China and causes the Indian position to remain weak in the NE Arunachal.

BD neutrality means not allowing IA troops, equipment, or logistics and provisions to be supplied over land, water, and sky of Bangladesh. This makes Indian military operational capabilities very weak.

No wonder, India is using the US influence for BD to side with QUAD. That means, siding with India in times of emergency. This will allow IA or even the US troops to mobilize in the Indian NE by using BD land, air, and water. In such a case, even the US overhead satellite intelligence will not help the IA because its mobility will remain very slow if BD does not allow its land to be used.

So, even BD neutrality goes against Indian interests.

What will BD gain by being neutral? If worse comes to worse, India will flout BD's sovereignty if their access to the Northeast is cut off by Chinese occupation of the "Chicken Neck"
That will be a huge embarrassment for BD. Might as well concede to Indian requests now to guarantee their airspace use and facilitation of other logistical transportation over their territory, because India will do it with or without BD's consent.

 

[bluesky]

What will BD gain by being neutral? If worse comes to worse, India will flout BD's sovereignty if their access to the Northeast is cut off by Chinese occupation of the "Chicken Neck"
That will be a huge embarrassment for BD. Might as well concede to Indian requests now to guarantee their airspace use and facilitation of other logistical transportation over their territory, because India will do it with or without BD's consent.

It is not that easy to break through the international border and India will certainly think over it million times before doing so. BD cannot be won by military operations from the air or by tank forces alone. It is people that will protect every inch of the country. Our people will fight.

So, finally, IA troops will be bogged down in the marshland of BD and China will cherish this prospect. No wonder, the defense minister of China making a BD visit. He will be happy if BD just remains neutral. QUAD in this region fails at that.

Note that when the IA troops are bogged down in BD, the Chinese troops will overwhelm your entire NE. So, do not please entertain machoism.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

Note that when the IA troops are bogged down in BD, the Chinese troops will overwhelm your entire NE. So, do not please entertain machoism.

you forgot to mention all the chinese backed insurgents coming from the myanmar border and the regional separatist groups who will take advantage.
IA invasion of BD is an idea they like to pleasure themselves (self stimulation ) and it will remain at that stage for the reasons you mentioned

 

[VikingRaider]

It is not that easy to break through the international border and India will certainly think over it. million times before doing so. BD cannot be won by military operations from the air or by tank forces alone. It is people that will protect every inch of the country.

It's very easy to break through international border and super powers will not move a muscle if you don't have power or strong allies.

Look at Ukraine, what the other super /big powers did against neuclear power Russia other than criticism ( তীব্র নিন্দা?) ? Nothing.

In the end civilians aren't for protecting a nation without proper military command.

I posted METT -TC for you but you were not convinced.

Civilians play a major role ,but logistics play another major role too.

If India want to break through Bangladeshi border with all their brute force ( with western allies ) when China will wring the chicken neck , then surely India will desperately try to move it's military ( with western aid )through North Bengal to hold NE India.

So this time Chinese alliance will be safe guard for Bangladesh.

So, finally, IA troops will be bogged down in the marshland of BD and China will cherish this prospect. No wonder, the defense minister of China making a BD visit. He will be happy if BD just remains neutral. QUAD in this region fails at that.

BD neutrality means not allowing IA troops, equipment, or logistics and provisions to be supplied over land, water, and sky of Bangladesh. This makes Indian military operational capabilities very weak

Not that. Bangladesh only can help China by blocking the bay of bengal.

If China wring the chicken neck, then big powers will try to send aid through the bay of bengal.

If Bangladesh decide to block the aid , then usa will try to screw Bangladesh.

Remember they send 7th fleet in the bay of bengal, but for russian threat they didn't move further?

So if usa want to sent aid to NE , then China need the control of the bay of Bengal using Bangladeshi land.

Then it will be China west war instead of Bangladesh west if Bangladesh take Chinese side.

If Bangladesh remain neutral, and block aid to NE by west west will screw us , if Bangladesh let west sending aid ,then China will screw Bangladesh, because they wouldn't want any aid through the bay of bengal. If India get aid through the bay of bengal , what's the point of wringing the chicken neck?

So in such cases Bangladesh really can't remain neutral.

 

[Saiful Islam]

What will BD gain by being neutral? If worse comes to worse, India will flout BD's sovereignty if their access to the Northeast is cut off by Chinese occupation of the "Chicken Neck"
That will be a huge embarrassment for BD. Might as well concede to Indian requests now to guarantee their airspace use and facilitation of other logistical transportation over their territory, because India will do it with or without BD's consent.

Cherub you have to look at border zones such as zointapur and see the anti bsf stance they have. These people are hardened and are constantly at war with soldiers. A survey puts BD and your country at top 4 for those who would fight and die for their country.

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The source is something you will have to verify yourself tbh.

 

[Cherub786]

Congratulations to BD on the purpose. In regards to the conversation above, do we have a choice with our 'BFG' neighbour? It's politically correct to sit in their laps as of now,



Cherub you have to look at border zones such as zointapur and see the anti bsf stance they have. These people are hardened and are constantly at war with soldiers. A survey puts BD and your country at top 2 for those who would fight and die for their country.

I'm not really Indian, my dad is from India, but I'm a Canadian born citizen, plus my mom is from Pakistan.

 

[Saiful Islam]

I'm not really Indian, my dad is from India, but I'm a Canadian born citizen, plus my mom is from Pakistan.

My first though is that you were Pakistani not Indian.

 

[VikingRaider]

Exactly, no one is denying that.

All the more reason however to "manage" India.

Reduce dependence on their trade by reducing their influence on our ministers and the policies that help Indians make money in Bangladesh, by Indian exports to Bangladesh, Indian medical tourism and also including illegal employment by Indians in Bangladesh.

TAKE CARE OF THE FLOW OF MONEY TO INDIA (find other alternatives), the rest will follow naturally.

It's just that we cannot do it right now because of Hasina's cabinet.

Ousting Indian Dalals in Bangladesh (including Chetona gong) should be job number one.

@Atlas bhai this is getting a bit redundant but Bangladeshis are a hard bunch to explain to - who don't understand their own good.

@Bilal9 bhai , IMHO we don't need to rely on India even for import through land border.

Myanmar can be our land border for China. And besides we have to make it habit to completely become a sea fareing nation.

So I don't think price will dramatically increase. But if we decide not to import from India anything, then yes at first we will be in some trouble ,but after mass sea import , we will overcome it.

So Bangladesh have nothing to lose.

And now about defense. India is surrounding us , it's a boon instead of bane if you have strong defense forces and stronger and faithful ally like China.

We can act as hedge and can completely block the bay of bengal if Chinise block decide to wring chicken neck.

We will play hugely important role, as without blocking the sea, China can't wring the chicken neck and hold NE.

So yes we will play an important role in Chinese block, even more than Pakistan. As there is no chicken neck in western side to weaken western block ( read India).

And about our people? Other than online group, you won't find many pro India people other than few chetona.

Even most of BAL supporters aren't friendly to India.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

It's very easy to break through international border and super powers will not move a muscle if you don't have power or strong allies.

Look at Ukraine, what the other super /big powers did against neuclear power Russia other than criticism ( তীব্র নিন্দা?) ? Nothing.

In the end civilians aren't for protecting a nation without proper military command.

I posted METT -TC for you but you were not convinced.

Civilians play a major role ,but logistics play another major role too.

If India want to break through Bangladeshi border with all their brute force ( with western allies ) when China will wring the chicken neck , then surely India will desperately try to move it's military ( with western aid )through North Bengal to hold NE India.

So this time Chinese alliance will be safe guard for Bangladesh.



Not that. Bangladesh only can help China by blocking the bay of bengal.

If China wring the chicken neck, then big powers will try to send aid through the bay of bengal.

If Bangladesh decide to block the aid , then usa will try to screw Bangladesh.

Remember they send 7th fleet in the bay of bengal, but for russian threat they didn't move further?

So if usa want to sent aid to NE , then China need the control of the bay of Bengal using Bangladeshi land.

Then it will be China west war instead of Bangladesh west if Bangladesh take Chinese side.

So in such cases Bangladesh really can't remain neutral.

The thing with Bangladesh is that they exist in what I call the ''Zombie zone'' It is a zone where you will eventually down the line see a horde of senseless Zombies try to overrun. Bangladesh's task is not only saving itself but saving the human race from infested BJP hordes.

India has 8 times more population then Bangladesh and larger land but all that is only statistics. Bangladesh has time on it's hand currently and needs to go on a relentless upgrading it's tech and also increasing it's military industry spending and also investing heavily in it's local military industry.

India will not attempt on Bangladesh tho unless WW3 has broken out because they know it is gonna be logistically demanding and big war to start without the world being in gulfed so this war is gonna happen in the midst of ww3 around the 2050s.

India will most likely experience another Modi like second coming in the mid 2040s and all these years they will be infesting locally and spewing accusations against Bangladesh just for a pretext but eventually during the 2050s they may attempt to start an all out war. This is what Bangladesh has to count on from the first day and calculate the situation on before hand it happens by staying ahead because they are predictable from their social and communal unrests you can kind of predict where they are heading hence why they don't have a poker face or a hidden hand they are like an open book.

Bangladesh should arm itself to such an extent in the next 20-30 years that an upset will be a certainty. Indians will likely intiate this and engage expecting Bangladesh to defend itself but this is where you change doctrine to rapid offensive bringing the war inside India immediately they won't be expecting and this will throw them off completely. Don't think their population will be that of a big factor it comes down to having bigger chunk of your people highly trained and professionalist for this task and prepared for the events before it even occurs and majority of India is peasants if you manage to run thru the north the central and south is yours without much struggle.

The odds may seem 10:1 in their favor but a tenacious and wisely cunning Bangladesh can complete the upset in total completion. Staying ahead of time is key and knowing the date and time even if you are not the one who will initiate this.

How many times have you seen an army outsized 10-1 or even 15-1 still end up as the victor? It is a scanario that has happened so many times in history on repeat that it has become a common place.

A task if anyone can do is the Bengalis they are by far and large the most intelligent ethnic group in the subcontinent. Conflicts and wars are won by intelligence and cunningness main while their sheer numbers will blind them from other key areas and overconfidence causes miscalculation..

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Bangladesh should be strictly neutral in this regard and never join any security/military alliance of any party. Both China and US/EU/Japan/India is crutial for for Bangladesh's security and economic interests. China is our biggest trade and investment partner and biggest source of foreign loan but we also can not ignore that fact that, our 80 percent exports goes to western countries(EU & USA), Japan is our 2nd largest development partner, and we share over 4000 km border with India. So we don't have a luxury to choose side in this geo-political great game. Bangladesh should maintain economic relations with all parties, buy weapons from both China and EU. Bangladesh's policy should be to strengthen itself economically and militarily as much as possible in short time to reduce it's vulnerability of external pressures.

With our well settled border, we also have no interest to pick fight with India unnecessarily, but Bangladesh have to remained prepare to repulse any possible Indian assault on Bangladesh militarily by maintaining a well trained and well equipped armed forces. Bangladesh need to take inspiration from Swiss neutrality. Switzerland was neutral in European power struggle and warfare throughout the centuries, but it also maintained a strong armed forces to protect itself from the neighboring European powers. It concentrated on peace and economy, so despite being a very resource poor land locked country, Switzerland has one of the highest living standard in Europe and much respected worldwide as a peace maker.

 

[VikingRaider]

The thing with Bangladesh is that they exist in what I call the ''Zombie zone'' It is a zone where you will eventually down line see a horde of senseless Zombies try to overrun. Bangladesh is task with not only saving itself but saving the human race from infested BJP hordes.

India has 8 times more population then Bangladesh and larger land but all that is only statistics. Bangladesh has time on it's hand currently and needs to go on a relentless upgrading it's tech and also increasing it's military industry spending and also investing heavily in it's local military industry.

India will not attempt on Bangladesh tho unless WW3 has broken out because they know it is gonna be logistically demanding and big war to start without the world being in gulfed so this war is gonna happen in the midst of ww3 around the 2050s.

India will most likely experience another Modi like second coming in the mid 2040s and all these years they will be infesting locally and spewing accusations against Bangladesh just for a pretext but eventually during the 2050s they may attempt to start an all out war. This is what Bangladesh has to count on from the first day and calculate the situation on before hand it happens by staying ahead because they are predictable from their social and communal unrests you can kind of predict where they are heading hence why they don't have a poker face or a hidden hand they are like an open book.

Bangladesh should arm itself to such an extent in the next 20-30 years that an upset will be a certainty. Indians will likely intiate this and engage expecting Bangladesh to defend itself but this is where you change doctrine to rapid offensive bringing the war inside India immediately they won't be expecting and this will throw them off completely. Don't think their population will be that of a big factor it comes down to having bigger chunk of your people highly trained and professionalist for this task and prepared in before hand the events even occur and majority of India is peasants if you manage to run thru the north the central and south is yours without much struggle.

The odds may seem 10:1 in their favor but a tenacious and wisely cunning Bangladesh can complete the upset in total completion. Staying ahead of time is key and knowing the date and time even if you are not the one who will initiate this.

A task if anyone can do is the Bengalis they are by far and large the most intelligent ethnic group in the subcontinent. Conflicts and wars are won by intelligence and cunningness main while their sheer numbers will blind them from other key areas and overconfidence causes miscalculation..

How many times have you seen an army outsized 10-1 or even 15-1 still end up as the victor? It is a scanario that has happened so many times in history on repeat that it has become a common place.

I agree with your every word bhai. You exactly read my mind.

We have to develop economically and military with high technology.

Besides we need a very very strong navy and anti naval warfare system, as our main threat will come through see since we are blocked by India.

So it's very easy to take us on our knees if you can successfully impose a hostile naval blockade.

So In order to counter such naval blockade we need s strong navy full with submarines.

I believe that's the reason GoB is focusing mainly on navy.

 

[VikingRaider]

With our well settled border, we also have no interest to pick fight with India unnecessarily, but Bangladesh have to remained prepare to repulse any possible Indian assault on Bangladesh militarily by maintaining a well trained and well equipped armed forces. Bangladesh need to take inspiration from Swiss neutrality

But look at the geography. Is it really possible to maintain Swiss neutrality for us? We are a big country ( population) and we can use the bay of Bengal for our own benefit in future.

And yes we don't have to pick fight unnecessarily with India I agree , but what if we have no other option but to choose one side ? Where your vote goes ? China or West? Remember (when voting) that India will remain in western block.

And after China collapse, West will ditch us like after breaking soviet west literally ditched Pakistan.

And if the same thing happened, Bangladesh will be left vulnerable against expansionist akhanda bharat.

 

[Jobless Jack]

Bangladesh should be strictly neutral in this regard and never join any security/military alliance of any party. Both China and US/EU/Japan/India is crutial for for Bangladesh's security and economic interests. China is our biggest trade and investment partner and biggest source of foreign loan but we also can not ignore that fact that, our 80 percent exports goes to western countries(EU & USA), Japan is our 2nd largest development partner, and we share over 4000 km border with India. So we don't have a luxury to choose side in this geo-political great game. Bangladesh should maintain economic relations with all parties, buy weapons from both China and EU. Bangladesh's policy should be to strengthen itself economically and militarily as much as possible in short time to reduce it's vulnerability of external pressures.

With our well settled border, we also have no interest to pick fight with India unnecessarily, but Bangladesh have to remained prepare to repulse any possible Indian assault on Bangladesh militarily by maintaining a well trained and well equipped armed forces. Bangladesh need to take inspiration from Swiss neutrality. Switzerland was neutral in European power struggle and warfare throughout the centuries, but it also maintained a strong armed forces to protect itself from the neighboring European powers. It concentrated on peace and economy, so despite being a very resource poor land locked country, Switzerland has one of the highest living standard in Europe and much respected worldwide as a peace maker.

No one cares about your ( BD) interest
BD came into existence and continues to exist with the goodwill and blessing of foreign powers. In international politics goodwill comes at a price. BD will continue to pay the price or seek protection of new foreign power. All your governments since 1971 came to power with the blessing of foreign powers. This will continue .

Switzerland is not reliant on any other country for its existence. Switzerland was and still is the banker of Europe. So the swiss can remain neutral as everyone needs them. That is leverage. Don't be hilarious and compare BD to Switzerland.

To remain neutral BD needs leverage and a smart government. Sadly BD has neither.

So sooner or later BD will have to choose between Quad or China/ Russia.

The thing with Bangladesh is that they exist in what I call the ''Zombie zone'' It is a zone where you will eventually down the line see a horde of senseless Zombies try to overrun. Bangladesh's task is not only saving itself but saving the human race from infested BJP hordes.

India has 8 times more population then Bangladesh and larger land but all that is only statistics. Bangladesh has time on it's hand currently and needs to go on a relentless upgrading it's tech and also increasing it's military industry spending and also investing heavily in it's local military industry.

India will not attempt on Bangladesh tho unless WW3 has broken out because they know it is gonna be logistically demanding and big war to start without the world being in gulfed so this war is gonna happen in the midst of ww3 around the 2050s.

India will most likely experience another Modi like second coming in the mid 2040s and all these years they will be infesting locally and spewing accusations against Bangladesh just for a pretext but eventually during the 2050s they may attempt to start an all out war. This is what Bangladesh has to count on from the first day and calculate the situation on before hand it happens by staying ahead because they are predictable from their social and communal unrests you can kind of predict where they are heading hence why they don't have a poker face or a hidden hand they are like an open book.

Bangladesh should arm itself to such an extent in the next 20-30 years that an upset will be a certainty. Indians will likely intiate this and engage expecting Bangladesh to defend itself but this is where you change doctrine to rapid offensive bringing the war inside India immediately they won't be expecting and this will throw them off completely. Don't think their population will be that of a big factor it comes down to having bigger chunk of your people highly trained and professionalist for this task and prepared in before hand the events even occur and majority of India is peasants if you manage to run thru the north the central and south is yours without much struggle.

The odds may seem 10:1 in their favor but a tenacious and wisely cunning Bangladesh can complete the upset in total completion. Staying ahead of time is key and knowing the date and time even if you are not the one who will initiate this.

How many times have you seen an army outsized 10-1 or even 15-1 still end up as the victor? It is a scanario that has happened so many times in history on repeat that it has become a common place.

A task if anyone can do is the Bengalis they are by far and large the most intelligent ethnic group in the subcontinent. Conflicts and wars are won by intelligence and cunningness main while their sheer numbers will blind them from other key areas and overconfidence causes miscalculation..

2050 ?

More like around 2030...

 

[Homo Sapiens]

And yes we don't have to pick fight unnecessarily with India I agree , but what if we have no other option but to choose one side ? Where your vote goes ? China or West? Remember (when voting) that India will remain in western block.

And after China collapse, West will ditch us like after breaking soviet west literally ditched Pakistan.

And if the same thing happened, Bangladesh will be left vulnerable against expansionist akhanda bharat.

China will not send it's army to fight Bangladesh's war with India, given China's self-centric foreign policy, we can not also expect China's diplomatic and military support in the time of military conflict. We are pretty much on our own during conflict times. So, becoming China's client state do not benefit us in anyway. We can get all the benefits China willing to offer just by maintaining economic and military co-operation as we are doing now. But becoming China's client state will exaggerbate our chance of conflict with India like a self-fullfilling prophesy. In such a case, we will lost sympathy of the West and much of the East. Plus chinese model of authoritarianism also does not suit us. Look at Myanmar, North Korea or Pakistan, do we want to become like them?