China urges the Philippines to withdraw UN case, return to bilateral talks on disputed sea

[Aepsilons]

You speak with much experience in such things.

Rest assured Japan stands with relevant nations who resist hegemony in all of its nefarious form(s)

screw china they have problems now why sit and talk to country with no word of honor

Well said my passionate and patriotic Filipino friend , I can empathize your position. And the legitimate concerns of all Filipinos is warranted and shall be considered.

Go ahead Philippine people ! People in the world to be in front to counter chinese expansionist in Asia !

Agreed !

 

[Cossack25A1]

Some Chinese think Palawan is a part of Spratly，how is that for a different opinion？

Then we now know what you really want - slowly destroy the Philippine nations by taking away Palawan.

Japan supports Philippines and commends the Republic of the Philippines in her diplomatic caliber in solving this issue through jurisprudent processes. Japan , the third largest economy in the world, stands with Manila. Rest assured that the Japanese Navy shall help ensure freedom of navigation.

What I long for is Manila's final invitation to Japan to station our fleet in Subic Bay as well as in around Palawan to help defense buildup and training purposes as well as to ensure Safety and Stability in Pilipinas.

@Cossack25A1 buddy when do you think we can expect to see this? Soon I hope ?!

Well this would depend on who becomes the president of the Philippines in July 1, 2016.

 

[21stCentury]

It's for Philippines own good. Filipinos will get absolutely nothing trying to take this an international court. It's better off to have bilateral talks with China.

 

[Aepsilons]

It's for Philippines own good. Filipinos will get absolutely nothing trying to take this an international court. It's better off to have bilateral talks with China.

Nonsense, my friend. The Philippines are gaining quite a momentum actually, and as for defense security apparatus, well, its expanding.

 

[Cossack25A1]

Apparently someone made this...

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3 Reasons the Philippines Will Suffer Because of Its South China Sea Case Against China

Even if it wins at The Hague, the Philippines will lose against China in the long run.

By Dingding Chen
July 23, 2015

The arbitration case against China launched by the Philippines has attracted a lot of global media attention and global public opinion seems to support the Philippines’ case. However, a closer analysis reveals that the Philippines might in the end suffer from this arbitration case. How so? There are three main reasons for this.

First, there is no guarantee that the Philippines is going to win the arbitration case, even though media reports might suggest that it will. Actually, the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague is being very careful now as it tries to determine whether it has the necessary jurisdiction in the first place. This is not good news for the Philippines. Part of the reason is that the Court understands the huge implications of its decision for not only China, but also for the international law of the sea in general.

The reasons for this are not too difficult to understand. Basically, China has stated openly many times already that it will not participate in the arbitration case and thus will not implement any decision made by the tribunal. Of course, the final decision is unlikely to be entirely favorable to the Philippines. The more likely case is that China will win some concessions and the Philippines will win some as well. Either way, China will not accept the decision. Given this, ruling on the case would put the tribunal and international law in a very awkward position simply because the tribunal has no effective means to enforce the decision. That also means that the tribunal, and perhaps international law itself, will lose a lot of credibility before international society (the last thing the tribunal wants to see). So in this case, if the Philippines wins, it still loses and if it loses, it will lose big time.

Second, the arbitration case has seriously hurt China-Philippines bilateral relations in recent years. Given China’s continuing rise in Asia, it is important for other Asian states maintain a workable, if not friendly, relationship with China. To put it bluntly, their economic fate is tied to China’s own development. It is not clear how the current cold relationship between China and the Philippines will affect Chinese investment interest in the Philippines, but it is certain that many Chinese firms, especially state firms, will think twice before they purchase any serious stakes in the Filipino economy. Even if the Philippines can win a case against China, in the end it might not be worth it, considering the economic costs of such a win, not to mention the potential costs of a military conflict.

Third, a very important factor behind the Philippines’ arbitration case against China is the support of the United States. U.S. support might not be as strong as many in the Philippines seem to believe. Although the Philippines is a U.S. ally, this does not mean that the U.S. will offer military assistance if a ugly territorial conflict occurs between China and the Philippines. Even with U.S. assistance, it is doubtful that the Philippines could win a potential conflict against China. It is true that the Philippines, being a small nation, might win some moral international support in a conflict with China, but such support means little in the realm of international politics. Most importantly, China is unlikely to be deterred by unfavorable international opinion.

To conclude, it was indeed a mistake for the Philippines to file an arbitration case against China, no matter how necessary it felt given the circumstances. Indeed, so far, the Philippines has only gained some moral support from a few countries. It is important for the Philippines to think about the long term consequences of such a confrontational strategy against China—China is a permanent neighbor, after all, and countries cannot escape their neighbors. In the end, it is up to China and the Philippines to sit down and resolve their conflicts with some outside help. Alas, this arbitration case has clearly ruined any such hope in the near future.

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3 Reasons the Philippines Will Suffer Because of Its South China Sea Case Against China | The Diplomat
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Apparently this author shows signs of having Zero-sum mentality, despite that Chinese PDF members accuse others (who doesn't share the same views) of having Zero-sum mentality.

Nonsense, my friend. The Philippines are gaining quite a momentum actually, and as for defense security apparatus, well, its expanding.

Remember, the Chinese accuse others like us Filipinos of having Zero-sum mentality, yet they are too blind to see that what they are saying reeks of such mentality.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Then we now know what you really want - slowly destroy the Philippine nations by taking away Palawan.

See? That's better than calling us genocidal maniacs Glad you are making progress.

 

[21stCentury]

Nonsense, my friend. The Philippines are gaining quite a momentum actually, and as for defense security apparatus, well, its expanding.

A hamster also can gain quite a momentum on its lil spinning wheel, but it only goes in circles, just like the Philippines right now. Lol

 

[Aepsilons]

Apparently someone made this...

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3 Reasons the Philippines Will Suffer Because of Its South China Sea Case Against China

Even if it wins at The Hague, the Philippines will lose against China in the long run.

By Dingding Chen
July 23, 2015

The arbitration case against China launched by the Philippines has attracted a lot of global media attention and global public opinion seems to support the Philippines’ case. However, a closer analysis reveals that the Philippines might in the end suffer from this arbitration case. How so? There are three main reasons for this.

First, there is no guarantee that the Philippines is going to win the arbitration case, even though media reports might suggest that it will. Actually, the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague is being very careful now as it tries to determine whether it has the necessary jurisdiction in the first place. This is not good news for the Philippines. Part of the reason is that the Court understands the huge implications of its decision for not only China, but also for the international law of the sea in general.

The reasons for this are not too difficult to understand. Basically, China has stated openly many times already that it will not participate in the arbitration case and thus will not implement any decision made by the tribunal. Of course, the final decision is unlikely to be entirely favorable to the Philippines. The more likely case is that China will win some concessions and the Philippines will win some as well. Either way, China will not accept the decision. Given this, ruling on the case would put the tribunal and international law in a very awkward position simply because the tribunal has no effective means to enforce the decision. That also means that the tribunal, and perhaps international law itself, will lose a lot of credibility before international society (the last thing the tribunal wants to see). So in this case, if the Philippines wins, it still loses and if it loses, it will lose big time.

Second, the arbitration case has seriously hurt China-Philippines bilateral relations in recent years. Given China’s continuing rise in Asia, it is important for other Asian states maintain a workable, if not friendly, relationship with China. To put it bluntly, their economic fate is tied to China’s own development. It is not clear how the current cold relationship between China and the Philippines will affect Chinese investment interest in the Philippines, but it is certain that many Chinese firms, especially state firms, will think twice before they purchase any serious stakes in the Filipino economy. Even if the Philippines can win a case against China, in the end it might not be worth it, considering the economic costs of such a win, not to mention the potential costs of a military conflict.

Third, a very important factor behind the Philippines’ arbitration case against China is the support of the United States. U.S. support might not be as strong as many in the Philippines seem to believe. Although the Philippines is a U.S. ally, this does not mean that the U.S. will offer military assistance if a ugly territorial conflict occurs between China and the Philippines. Even with U.S. assistance, it is doubtful that the Philippines could win a potential conflict against China. It is true that the Philippines, being a small nation, might win some moral international support in a conflict with China, but such support means little in the realm of international politics. Most importantly, China is unlikely to be deterred by unfavorable international opinion.

To conclude, it was indeed a mistake for the Philippines to file an arbitration case against China, no matter how necessary it felt given the circumstances. Indeed, so far, the Philippines has only gained some moral support from a few countries. It is important for the Philippines to think about the long term consequences of such a confrontational strategy against China—China is a permanent neighbor, after all, and countries cannot escape their neighbors. In the end, it is up to China and the Philippines to sit down and resolve their conflicts with some outside help. Alas, this arbitration case has clearly ruined any such hope in the near future.

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3 Reasons the Philippines Will Suffer Because of Its South China Sea Case Against China | The Diplomat
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Apparently this author shows signs of having Zero-sum mentality, despite that Chinese PDF members accuse others (who doesn't share the same views) of having Zero-sum mentality.



Remember, the Chinese accuse others like us Filipinos of having Zero-sum mentality, yet they are too blind to see that what they are saying reeks of such mentality.

Rest assured that Japan offers our complete support to the Philippines in this matter.

 

[Genesis]

Rest assured that Japan offers our complete support to the Philippines in this matter.

China and Japan already has a dispute, so regardless of where Japan is, it's been taken into consideration. Now if France or Russia comes out and say they are behind the Philippines, than it would change things. It may or may not affect how things are done, but it's a force not previously taken into consideration, thus adding to the equation.

Nonsense, my friend. The Philippines are gaining quite a momentum actually, and as for defense security apparatus, well, its expanding.

The case against China isn't even for the ownership of the islands, it's to decide what features can be deemed an islands. Apparently the PHilippines also don't want an international tribunal to decide the fate of its sovereignty.

Should the Philippines actually win all their cases, which is a big if. They themselves will have their own EEZ greatly reduced, as they are the reefs that they themselves want and it affects their own

Now onto momentum, this case is actually turning not according to the plans of the Philippines, for now. The tribunal has decided to use the white paper China announced rather than submitted, which the Philippines didn't want happen. They are listening to the white paper and thus holding a separate trial for the rights of the court to decide this particular issue, which at the very least delay the decision and at worst kills the case, also against the wishes of the Philippines, for which they are have argued.

We are eating the cake and having it too, which is sweet.

Then we now know what you really want - slowly destroy the Philippine nations by taking away Palawan.

You guys are doing that quite nicely yourselves, why sub us in when we don't know how good we will be. We could be the Birdman to your Lebron in this particular issue.

By: Manuel Mogato and Ben Blanchard, Reuters
July 23, 2015

Obviously they are now feeling the pressure.

I hope our government is wise enough not to drop the case. This is just another ploy by CCP to pursue 'talks' while continue reclaiming in our EEZ . It says and agree on one thing but do another thing. Bull$shit.

Even if we don't ask for talks and don't get any agreements, what indications are there that we will stop what we are doing.

Holding talks is what nations and people do.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Have any robber wants to go to court?

 

[Providence]

Under that UN law, China can never win the case !

 

[Aepsilons]

Under that UN law, China can never win the case !

The fact that they have yet to attend any hearing guarantees victory to the other side.

 

[Zero_wing]

It's for Philippines own good. Filipinos will get absolutely nothing trying to take this an international court. It's better off to have bilateral talks with China.

Ya only china is talking like that not the rest in fact we getting some hell of support for doing the right thing so again screw you guys

China and Japan already has a dispute, so regardless of where Japan is, it's been taken into consideration. Now if France or Russia comes out and say they are behind the Philippines, than it would change things. It may or may not affect how things are done, but it's a force not previously taken into consideration, thus adding to the equation.


The case against China isn't even for the ownership of the islands, it's to decide what features can be deemed an islands. Apparently the PHilippines also don't want an international tribunal to decide the fate of its sovereignty.

Should the Philippines actually win all their cases, which is a big if. They themselves will have their own EEZ greatly reduced, as they are the reefs that they themselves want and it affects their own

Now onto momentum, this case is actually turning not according to the plans of the Philippines, for now. The tribunal has decided to use the white paper China announced rather than submitted, which the Philippines didn't want happen. They are listening to the white paper and thus holding a separate trial for the rights of the court to decide this particular issue, which at the very least delay the decision and at worst kills the case, also against the wishes of the Philippines, for which they are have argued.

We are eating the cake and having it too, which is sweet.



You guys are doing that quite nicely yourselves, why sub us in when we don't know how good we will be. We could be the Birdman to your Lebron in this particular issue.



Even if we don't ask for talks and don't get any agreements, what indications are there that we will stop what we are doing.

Holding talks is what nations and people do.

Because the case filed is not about sovereignty its about the 9 dash line claim of china etc

 

[Genesis]

Under that UN law, China can never win the case !

That's not true. If it were, the Philippines would have put the sovereignty question for the Tribunal to decide. They didn't, a smart move, for a lot of reasons, never the less, they didn't have enough confidence to put all the cards on the table and there's a reason for that.

Even biased news sources don't think it's a slam dunk.

The fact that they have yet to attend any hearing guarantees victory to the other side.

Did you miss the part where I pointed out the UN Tribunal took the Chinese white paper that was not addressed to the Tribunal but was taken as serious rebuttal anyways.

There's a quite a few evidence of this, the Philippines was asked to defend their position vis a vis this paper, the Tribunal reviewed the document and taken the paper into consideration, the tribunal decided to have a hearing on their authority to decide on this case.

We are attending the hearing in everything but name and physical presence and our voice is being heard, all the benefits of being there and none of the down side of being there.

 

[Providence]

That's not true. If it were, the Philippines would have put the sovereignty question for the Tribunal to decide. They didn't, a smart move, for a lot of reasons, never the less, they didn't have enough confidence to put all the cards on the table and there's a reason for that.

Even biased news sources don't think it's a slam dunk.

Relax buddy. I was just trying to rile up some dragon feathers here.. Take a chill pill