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China Unveils World's First Ever Twin Seat Stealth Fighter with New J-20 Variant; What is Next for the PLA Air Force's Fifth Generation?

March-20th-2019
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Twin Seat Variant of Chengdu J-20 Fifth Generation Air Superiority Fighter



China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force's long speculated induction of a twin engine variant of its J-20 fighter jet has finally been confirmed by new footage released by Chinese state media. The Chengdu J-20 entered service in 2017 as the first fifth generation fighter jet in the world developed outside the United States — an analogue to the U.S. Air Force’s F-22 Raptor air superiority fighter designed to maximise effectiveness in air to air combat with features including a high operational altitude, high speed, high manoeuvrability, long range, high weapons payload, powerful sensors and a twin engine configuration. Like the F-22, the J-20 was designed with a radar evading stealth profile to maximise its survivability - making it particularly difficult to lock onto for enemy radars which provide a considerable advantage both in air to air combat and for the penetration of enemy air defences. While the Raptor was initially intended to be developed into a twin seat fighter, and eventually also a strike fighter as the FB-22, these programs were cancelled when production of the fighter was prematurely terminated in 2009 - a result of the fighter's extremely high cost both to manufacture and to operate which add up to over $700 million over every F-22's lifespan. Where the U.S. was unable to develop the Raptor further, China appears to have ambitious plans for the J-20 which will take the design well ahead of its rivals. According to recent reports from Chinese state media outlet CCTV, these include development into both strike and electronic attack jets for the PLA Air Force.




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Chengdu J-20 Fifth Generation Air Superiority Fighter



Chinese military aviation industries are arguably unrivalled in their experience modifying high performance airframes into specialised derivatives. Examples include the J-11B airframe, which was developed into an advanced strike fighter in the mid 2010s and entered service as the J-16 - which required the addition of an extra seat. The J-16 in turn was developed into an electronic attack jet, the J-16D - all based on the same fourth generation air superiority airframe. The J-15 carrier based air superiority fighter has similarly been developed into an electronic attack aircraft, the J-15D (or J-17) - also requiring the addition of a second seat. The JH-7 strike fighter and H-6 bomber widely used by the PLA Navy have also been developed into electronic attack platforms - with the latter also developed into ballistic missile carrying strike bombers.




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J-16 Strike Fighter



Given the J-20's advanced performance specifications and versatility, it was hardly unexpected that the airframe would also be be modified to fulfil additional roles in much the same way as its fourth generation predecessors. The development of a twin seat variant is an important step in this direction, and without further modifications allows the aircraft to be used for training fifth generation fighter pilots - something no other stealth aircraft in the world is currently capable of. A twin seat configuration is vital for any strike or electronic attack platform, allowing the aircraft to carry a weapons systems officer responsible either for delivering complex electronic attacks or for designating ground targets and operating air to ground weaponry. This function can be performed simultaneously while the pilot in the first seat flies the aircraft and engages enemy aircraft with air to air munitions. All J-20 variants are likely to retain some defensive air to-air capabilities, providing an invaluable ability to carry out air to air and air to ground attacks simultaneously.


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Chengdu J-20 Fifth Generation Air Superiority Fighter

The J-20's development into a twin seat variant is highly symbolic of China's fast development to become a leading aerial power, one which is likely to have a far wider range of fifth generation fighters in service than any other country. With the United States having cancelled plans the Raptor's many ambitious successors, Russia's Su-57 not scheduled for mass production for some years to come and European manufactures as is often the case considerably behind the technological competition, China may well be well position to take the lead in this field. The capabilities and armaments of specialised J-20 derivatives, and whether or not they have yet to enter service, all remain to be seen - but are likely to be revealed in the near future.

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I expect next China will pair a stealth/ high performance UCAV with the J-20/31. The stealth/high performance UCAV could be the weapon launch platform for going into hotspots and the J-20 could control it or the weapons from a distance.
 
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A more modest article on this topic was carried by the Global Times crossposted at the military online site:

J-20 variant may be world's first two-seat stealth fighter jet: REPORT (2019-01-17)

China's most advanced stealth fighter jet J-20 could be developed into a bomber, electric warfare (EW) aircraft and a carrier-based variant, Chinese military experts said on Wednesday as latest reports suggested a two-seat version of the warplane is under development.

All current stealth fighter jets feature single-seat, so the potential J-20 variant might become the first two-seat stealth fighter jet in the world, China Central Television (CCTV) reported on Wednesday.

On a highly digitalized future battlefield, large amounts of information can easily overflow the entire control panel of an aircraft. Having a second pilot and a second panel sharing part of the work will be advantageous, the report said.

Yang Wei, the chief designer of the J-20, said in March 2018 that the aircraft will be serialized and see its combat capability constantly upgraded, People's Daily reported.

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http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2019-01/17/content_9406858.htm

Note: The similar picture was used, it's a CONCEPT ART depicting the two-seat variant of the J-20 stealth fighter jet. Photo: cctv.com_

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But the idea is REAL, and it seems to suggest that the developmental works are in progress…

Need to wait patiently some more time for the actual outcome.

But I do believe it is not some groundless daytime dreaming!
 
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Oh please, its something very different if a reputable source says "China may be developing first two-seat stealth combat aircraft", "J-20 variant may be world's first two-seat stealth fighter jet" or of a as yet mostly unreliable and sensational website picks up the same image and tells "China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force's long speculated induction of a twin engine variant of its J-20 fighter jet has finally been confirmed by new footage released by Chinese state media."

The first reports are speculation and are clearly marked as such, the new report You posted is simply a lie, fake and plain stupid as long they do not have the mentioned or promised images.


....But the idea is REAL, and it seems to suggest that the developmental works are in progress…
Need to wait patiently some more time for the actual outcome.
But I do believe it is not some groundless daytime dreaming!


I fully agree with you; I also think its a real project but again it is different to tell there is a concept or it might be and to say "here it is confirmed by" ... and then only post a photoshop fake! :crazy: That's plain stupid.
 
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Oh please, its something very different if a reputable source says "China may be developing first two-seat stealth combat aircraft", "J-20 variant may be world's first two-seat stealth fighter jet" or of a as yet mostly unreliable and sensational website picks up the same image and tells "China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force's long speculated induction of a twin engine variant of its J-20 fighter jet has finally been confirmed by new footage released by Chinese state media."

The first reports are speculation and are clearly marked as such, the new report You posted is simply a lie, fake and plain stupid as long they do not have the mentioned or promised images.





I fully agree with you; I also think its a real project but again it is different to tell there is a concept or it might be and to say "here it is confirmed by" ... and then only post a photoshop fake! :crazy: That's plain stupid.

You really have some issues dude, members post news here as the messengers not as the authors or editors of the topics or subjects. Initially you were complaining about military watch magazine not being a reliable source, now you think even something like Jane's Defence would randomly post the news from some rogue source. Well i certainly don't have contacts inside Chengdu or CATIC, perhaps you do that's why you are so sure of yourself.
Members post from various sources, it may be in concept form or prototype but it's only posted as a news ....not as a claim.
 
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You really have some issues dude, members post news here as the messengers not as the authors or editors of the topics or subjects. Initially you were complaining about military watch magazine not being a reliable source, now you think even something like Jane's Defence would randomly post the news from some rogue source. Well i certainly don't have contacts inside Chengdu or CATIC, perhaps you do that's why you are so sure of yourself.
Members post from various sources, it may be in concept form or prototype but it's only posted as a news ....not as a claim.


Honestly, I'm fully aware of this - that's why I like forums so much - and I myself know that I make more mistakes than I like, but at least I try to avoid them. In essence You must agree that it is different to know and to assume and regardless what sources are behind, as long as they have no genuine real image, it is lousy or stupid to use a faked image and tell "that's it".

Otherwise it has the same level of comparing a yet to be developed HAL LCA Tejas Mk.2 with the Block 2 JF-17 and do the regular Indian chest-bumping by telling "my fighter is better than yours". It might be eventually maybe if ... but as long as it is not flying it is simply not.

And the same is here: I said already I'm sure there is such a project and eventually a J-20-twin-seater may indeed be the first stealth twinseater, but as long it is not, it is not ...

So it was not against You but more about the stupidity to write such a BS-report ... however I'm surprised that You seem to take it seriously!

Best,
Deino
 
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Honestly, I'm fully aware of this - that's why I like forums so much - and I myself know that I make more mistakes than I like, but at least I try to avoid them. In essence You must agree that it is different to know and to assume and regardless what sources are behind, as long as they have no genuine real image, it is lousy or stupid to use a faked image and tell "that's it".

Otherwise it has the same level of comparing a yet to be developed HAL LCA Tejas Mk.2 with the Block 2 JF-17 and do the regular Indian chest-bumping by telling "my fighter is better than yours". It might be eventually maybe if ... but as long as it is not flying it is simply not.

And the same is here: I said already I'm sure there is such a project and eventually a J-20-twin-seater may indeed be the first stealth twinseater, but as long it is not, it is not ...

So it was not against You but more about the stupidity to write such a BS-report ... however I'm surprised that You seem to take it seriously!

Best,
Deino
No my friend there's a difference.
Let me give you a simple example, the J-20 is not exactly in a concept form, there are several variants flying and being put through various tests and trials and improvements. Making a twin seat variant is not exactly asking to turn a say Tornado into a Typhoon. The news about a JF-17B was circulating for years, some even suggesting that it will have side by side seats and hey presto one day it makes a maiden flight.
So let's not just negate the news only because one hasn't been revealed yet.
 
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Fake news !

Twin seat J-20 sounds stupid ...
 
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5th generation stealth fighter jet are nothing but just a myth. So far even USA fail to produce perfect F-22 thats why they closed the program after making only 192 f-22. Few month ago USAF wiki page was showing that all F-16 will be replaced by F-22 by 2022 but now they changed the page. Remember USAF currently have more than 1000 F-16
 
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So let's not just negate the news only because one hasn't been revealed yet.


With all respect I MUST contradict, even more I don't know if You ever read my post or if You refuse to understand .

I do not negate the concept, i simple negate this report that in their opinion confirms something with a faked image and what was so far not confirmed by any of the big shripms.

This report is in the meaning of what they say simply wrong and again in all honest I do not understand why you defend it.

If they said there are reports about a maiden flight and if they would have clearly market this image is a ps, it would be fine ... but to say it is so and as proof they add a faked image is plain stupid.
 
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