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China to stand by Pakistan if India imposes war: Defence Minister

EPIC FAIL. More indian bollywood fantasy propaganda again. Coming from the same people that said Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. That Pakistan would become bankrupt just trying to do so......lol.

I just came back from Pakistan a few weeks ago so I'm fully aware of the ground REALITY of CPEC. All over Pakistan there are massive world class infrastructure and industrial projects going on that were deemed impossible just 2 years ago. And they are all set to grow with the successful initiation of CPEC. Even the poor in Pakistan are enjoying a much better standard of living than ever before. Chinese input, expertise and know how have IN FACT benefitted local Pakistani business and industries in becoming more high tech and reaching world class standards.


Please confirm in which industry Pakistan are world class

What area are you reaching world class in please

Is ir Space reaearch
Information technology
manufacturing goods
Retail
Medical services

Don't JUST MAKE BIG BOLD BRASH STATEMENTS actually qualify your statement

I looked at pakistans Exports theyt are pitiful $30 billion per year

Your forex pitiful $25 billion

Your export nothing in science or technology or indeed good other than textiles.

HAVE I MISSED SOME THING HERE

I don't see thi world class growth

Your growing at 3% per annum in GDP

errr I'm confised
 
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40 billion ki CPEC ke liye 2500 billion ki economy ko khatre me ni dalega China . WO janta hai thoda sa kamjor hua to Japan ,Korea ,Vietnam, Australia moka dekh rahe hai..

Ghar pe aye bhikari ko roti Di jati . jaydad me hissa ni.

Pak to thoda bahot saport or kuchh purane weapon de sakta hai China . par uske liye war ........:undecided: No
 
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Didn't realize Pakistan was india's or Modi's home. Think the frustration of being a "little weaner" man that affects your kind is really kicking in:
frustration for being a "little weaner" man..
Frustration is all over your post,dont be so obvious,you many not realise it but everyone can see it....:-)
 
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Pakistan can take care of India on its own

We hate the hindus and indian's enough to destroy them and are prepared to do it.

A constant flow of top line weaponry, JV, TOT etc these things are needed

Pakistan is growing stronger

Pakistan economy is growing around 5%
Electricity issue is being resolved
Infrastructure and CPEC projects are maturing

The coming decades(s) are very important for us we can rise militarily and economically


India is our mortal enemy and we should look to oppose and harm it wherever and however we can
 
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Naah chinese will never gonna involve between India and Pakistan.

Chinese are smart enough... Pakistan should makeup from this dreamm


If any of what you say is true than the Chinese would not have helped Pakistan become a nuclear weapons state with the ability to now produce thermonuclear weapons:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

Please confirm in which industry Pakistan are world class

What area are you reaching world class in please

Is ir Space reaearch
Information technology
manufacturing goods
Retail
Medical services

Don't JUST MAKE BIG BOLD BRASH STATEMENTS actually qualify your statement

I looked at pakistans Exports theyt are pitiful $30 billion per year

Your forex pitiful $25 billion

Your export nothing in science or technology or indeed good other than textiles.

HAVE I MISSED SOME THING HERE

I don't see thi world class growth

Your growing at 3% per annum in GDP

errr I'm confised


And those stats are now changing. It will be seen in the coming years/decades. There is a reason why the World's next & ONLY Global hyperpower is investing in at least $55 billion in Pakistan with many more billions already earmarked for investment in the coming years :azn:

frustration for being a "little weaner" man..
Frustration is all over your post,dont be so obvious,you many not realise it but everyone can see it....:-)


If you weren't you wouldn't be on any Pakistani forum. If I was, I would be on an indian forum arguing with them. The fact that you and your kind are on a Pakistan forum is glaring evidence that you don't believe in your nation and race. And you have no confidence in them.
 
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Better merge with China....just leave your (pakistanis) religious identity as a Islamic nation..you will prosper like China as a whole and always bully india....:china:
 
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EPIC FAIL. More indian bollywood fantasy propaganda again. Coming from the same people that said Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. That Pakistan would become bankrupt just trying to do so......lol.

I just came back from Pakistan a few weeks ago so I'm fully aware of the ground REALITY of CPEC. All over Pakistan there are massive world class infrastructure and industrial projects going on that were deemed impossible just 2 years ago. And they are all set to grow with the successful initiation of CPEC. Even the poor in Pakistan are enjoying a much better standard of living than ever before. Chinese input, expertise and know how have IN FACT benefitted local Pakistani business and industries in becoming more high tech and reaching world class standards.
You don't know the ground reality.. Public knows a little about the agreements.. China is actually looting you people.. There must be huge corruption involved..
I will point out some facts I know.. Share your knowledge also..
1. Chinese share in CPEC infrastructure development is only $3.8 billions (loan with interest).. $9 billion is spend by Pak govt by its own money.. Did you knew that??
2. This $3.8 billion is loan not grand or aid.. Only grant is $230 million loan for the construction of the Gwadar airport.. But only the Chinese companies will be awarded construction of this important airport. Beijing will select the company. Means this money will flow back to China..
3.Also Gwadar Port Authority (GPA) leased out 2,281 acres of land to the Chinese company responsible for operating gwadar port&this airport.. What this means?? Chinese will operate this airport for years..
4. Now about Gwadar port..As i said above China has signed a deal with Pakistan to acquire the usage rights to more than 2,000 acres of land for a Chinese company..It is a 43-year lease agreement..The contract will let China build an port & it's facilities with full authority to handle the port’s business operations for 43 years.
5. These lands are tax free also.. Loan for the interest of 1.6% are all mimics.. China get a lot from these deals..
6.Now comes power projects.. Actual looting happens here.. Here everybody says this investment is FDI.. Actually it is not FDI.. For example if a country directly invest in other country, that country's currency will gain & forex reserve s will gain.. Because the projects will be done in local currencies.. Central bank will buy dollars and release extra new local currencies. That's how FDI benefits a country's economy.. Do you know what actually happens here?? Here all payments are in dollars.. Chinese bank giving dollars to Chinese companies.. From Chinese companies back to China..
7. In these projects Chinese banks choose Chinese companies to build power plants. Banks directly pay money to these companies. Company imports all equipments & materials from China. Note all these imports are tax free.
8. Like Chinese investments in Africa all tech,expertise & machineries are from China. 75-80 percentage of labour is also from China. A small portion of unskilled Paks get job here..
9. Here these companies dumping obsolete machineries, techs of some coal plants in China. Fooling you people about big resources of Thar coal. Actually That coal reserve quantities are exaggerated..
10. Big assured returns of projects.. Did you know China gets big returns in these projests. They are getting mammoth 27% of total investment as return in just 4 years.. That means interest rate is more than 30% in first 4 years..
11.Chinese companies decides the capital cost & they are doing everything.. But poor Pakistanis will pay for this. No negotiation at all.. Govt compelling Nepra to accept the tariffs Chinese companies saying..
12. Did you knew Chinese firms are protected from circular debt.. That means no matter the projects are loss or profit.. China will get the payments.. GoP assured that guarantee..
13. Security for Chinese workers by the money of poor Pakistanis.. Did you knew capital cost of every projects increased by one percent for the name of security.. That means tariffs will also include this cost. This will increase in future.. 500 million dollars waste..
I will give you many more points.. Will give you links for each of above points.. Do you think anyone will invest so heavily in Pak so that these projects will make profits.. Pakistani's hard erned money will flow out from Pak to China in coming years..
 
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LIL Mathew

Thank you above post China only thinks about CHNA

Pakistan has handed over their Soverenity to China both in CPEC and BALITSTAN
 
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You don't know the ground reality.. Public knows a little about the agreements.. China is actually looting you people.. There must be huge corruption involved..
I will point out some facts I know.. Share your knowledge also..
1. Chinese share in CPEC infrastructure development is only $3.8 billions (loan with interest).. $9 billion is spend by Pak govt by its own money.. Did you knew that??
2. This $3.8 billion is loan not grand or aid.. Only grant is $230 million loan for the construction of the Gwadar airport.. But only the Chinese companies will be awarded construction of this important airport. Beijing will select the company. Means this money will flow back to China..
3.Also Gwadar Port Authority (GPA) leased out 2,281 acres of land to the Chinese company responsible for operating this port. What is this means?? Chinese will operate this airport for years..
4. Now about Gwadar port..China has signed a deal with Pakistan to acquire the usage rights to more than 2,000 acres of land for a Chinese company..It is a 43-year lease agreement..
The contract will let China build an port & it's facilities with full authority to handle the port’s business operations.
5. These lands are tax free also.. Loan for the interest of 1.6% are all mimics.. China get a lot from these deals..
6.Now comes power projects.. Actual looting happens here.. Here everybody says FDI.. Actually it is not FDI.. For example if a country directly invest in other country, that country's currency will gain & forex reserve s will gain.. Because the projects will be done in local currencies.. Central bank will buy dollars and release extra new local currencies. That's how FDI benefits a country's economy.. Do you know what actually happens here?? Here all payments are in dollars..
7. In these projects Chinese banks choose Chinese companies to build power plants. Banks directly pay money to these companies. Company imports all equipments & materials from China. Note it all imports are tax free.
8. Like Chinese investments in Africa all tech,expertise machineries are from China. 75-80 percentage of labour is from China. A small portion of UN skilled Paks get job here.. Actually what a pity..
9.Dumping obsolete machineries, techs of coal plants in China. Fooling you people about big resources of that coal. Do you know the actual scenario??
10. Means each and every penny flows back to China.
10. Big assured returns of projects.. Did you know China gets big returns in these projests. They are getting mammoth 27% of total investment as return in just 4 years.. That means interest rate is more than 30% in first 4 years.. Did you knew that??
11.Chinese companies decides the capital cost & they are doing everything.. But poor Pakistanis will pay for this. No negotiation at all.. Govt compelling Nepra to accept the tariffs Chinese companies saying..
12. Did you knew Chinese firms are protected from circular debt.. That means no matter the projects are loss or profit.. China will get the payments.. GoP assured that guarantee..
13. Security for Chinese workers by the money of poor Pakistanis.. Did you knew capital cost of every projects increased by one percent for the name of security.. That means tariffs will also include this cost. This will increase in future.. 500 million dollars waste..
I will give you many more points.. Will give you links for each of above points.. Do you think anyone will invest so heavily in Pak so that these projects will make profits.. Pakistani's hard erned money will flow out from Pak to China in coming years..


Before May 1998, indians used similar arguments to the above as to why China would never allow Pakistan to become a nuclear weapons state. That they are looting us and giving us faulty reactors etc. We know how that indian bollywood fantasy ended. Just as then so is now. It's in the Indian dna to hate and criticize Pakistan. So whatever an indian says about Pakistan should not be taken seriously.
 
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Before May 1998, indians used similar arguments to the above as to why China would never allow Pakistan to become a nuclear weapons state. That they are looting us and giving us faulty reactors etc. We know how that indian bollywood fantasy ended. Just as then so is now. It's in the Indian dna to hate and criticize Pakistan. So whatever an indian says about Pakistan should not be taken seriously.
Ha ha.. Those all points are not my points.. All information is from Pak frontline medias.. Do you want links?? You can close your eyes before truth.. No problem..
 
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China has disputes with all its neighbours ,so ?

Again i ask will china risk a war for another 25 years for just $55 billion.cpec is important for china more than pakistan,but threat to CPEC is not from India but from someone else.

Tell me bro,is it easy for china to fight a war for Pakistan and lose billions and hurt its economy in the process or to nudge Pakistan to change its policy towards India and not to support the so called non state actors in Pakistani soil and hunt them down...if you are inteligent which option will you chose.
What a loaded question. You haven't read a single thing I wrote, and you've proceeded to make a completely irrational point, based upon opinion rather than fact.

First of all, where did you get that 25 year figure from?

Second, India is the main threat to CPEC, let's not kid ourselves here.

China's interests are FAR BEYOND $55 billion, when it comes to Pakistan. You're either naive, or foolish to believe that China would abandon Pakistan to India, when it comes war between the two.
 
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Ha ha.. Those all points are not my points.. All information is from Pak frontline medias.. Do you want links?? You can close your eyes before truth.. No problem..


Some of Pakistan's frontline media also took the line of india's fantasy that Pakistan could never ever become a nuclear weapons state no matter what. Even with Chinese assistance. Yet it was they who had buried their heads buried in the sand with regards to Pakistan's REAL capabilities. Just as then, so is now :azn:
 
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If you weren't you wouldn't be on any Pakistani forum. If I was, I would be on an indian forum arguing with them. The fact that you and your kind are on a Pakistan forum is glaring evidence that you don't believe in your nation and race. And you have no confidence in them.
A race ?? See your frustration,,,the fact i am on a Pakistani form and you not a Indian forum tells any one ,you dont have the desire to face challenges and i do,you live in your small world not my fault.

What a loaded question. You haven't read a single thing I wrote, and you've proceeded to make a completely irrational point, based upon opinion rather than fact.

First of all, where did you get that 25 year figure from?

Second, India is the main threat to CPEC, let's not kid ourselves here.

China's interests are FAR BEYOND $55 billion, when it comes to Pakistan. You're either naive, or foolish to believe that China would abandon Pakistan to India, when it comes war between the two.
You dont have any idea why china opened up after the tinaman square and why it needs to keep growing ...

Regarding threat to CPEC what will India get destroying it....it has no bearing on India economically..yeah understand few chinese subs or ships will be in Pakistan but that wont change anything in the region,because still India navy and US navy are still the strongest in the region for a long time,..

the threat to cpec is from the same forces because of which china needs cpec as alternate route..

you are under the impression china needs cpec for India,nope...and china wont risk it other than posturing for India Pakistan disputes..

Just imagine the consiquences for china if it gets involved,even if it comes on top,it wont be the same china again.
 
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If any of what you say is true than the Chinese would not have helped Pakistan become a nuclear weapons state with the ability to now produce thermonuclear weapons:
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Bro... So what?

Russian helped to India for making nuclear Submarine and also helping on nuclear plants that are also use for nuclear bomb. Also India have more thn 70 % arms from Russia.

Does it means Russia will help india war against Pakistan just they did in 1971?.

About china they didn't help you in war.against India in 1971.

Fact is that NO one come and fight for anyone. Only they can supply weapons during war .....
 
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