China to Build Second Hong Kong

[haidian]

Hongkong also quickly climbed up to become one of the top cities after 1997 handover. It secured its top tier global city mainly due to the help of mainland China.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

100 square km is hardly a new city. As stated in the article, Honk Kong is 1100 km square. This project is more like an extension of Hong Kong itself.

 

[Aepsilons]

100 square km is hardly a new city. As stated in the article, Honk Kong is 1100 km square. This project is more like an extension of Hong Kong itself.

Precisely.

the reason why hong kong is rich largely because it was a gateway to china in the past century. but this is not the 20th century. hong kong is no longer a gateway. foreign investment now are going directly into china. however, hong kong is still an important financial centre for china, but its importance is diminishing.

Hong Kong, still, is the conduit. I suggest you do some readings before you entreat with me.

 

[bolo]

Center of culture? You Japanese may wish that be the case. But majority of us mainland Chinese do not agree. If they are the center of anything, their "occupy central movement" would've earned a little bit attention. Instead, not even a tiny bit of fkck was given from mainland. As China grows their "centerness" will be less and less, eventually they have to earn their keep just like the rest of us or migrate the center of their a$$es to U.K., U.S., Japan, or wherever.

Majority of Hk people still practice Chinese culture. Of course the new trend is just a rehash bastardised western culture is pretty funny. It's so funny to see the old Hk housewives westernizing their names for no apparent reason other than to sound cool in their feeble attempt to gain white acceptance

 

[insight-out]

Precisely.



Hong Kong, still, is the conduit. I suggest you do some readings before you entreat with me.

@Nihonjin1051 , you may find HK culture interesting, even cool. But if you look at it from a mainland perspective, you would see the reason for the resentment. Historically (at least while they were under the Brits), they enjoyed more material progress, and they were more open to the rest of the world, culturally. Unfortunately, this meant that they have and continue to look down at the mainlanders. The cantonese are also traditionally more business oriented, which makes them think they are superior to the mainlanders. Things are changing fast, but memories linger. You can't really blame the non-HK chinese for feeling some resentment when you praise HK culture, when that very culture is the reason they feel insulted.

 

[Aepsilons]

@Nihonjin1051 , you may find HK culture interesting, even cool. But if you look at it from a mainland perspective, you would see the reason for the resentment. Historically (at least while they were under the Brits), they enjoyed more material progress, and they were more open to the rest of the world, culturally. Unfortunately, this meant that they have and continue to look down at the mainlanders. The cantonese are also traditionally more business oriented, which makes them think they are superior to the mainlanders. Thngs are changing fast, but memories linger. You can's really blame the non-HK chinese to feel some resentment when you praise HK culture, when that very culture is the reason they feel insulted.

Hi @insight-out ,

Thank you for that insightful post. Yes, you are right when you noted Cantonese being more business oriented, it is this nature than the entire Canton region , sans Hong Kong, is considered the wealthiest region in all of Mainland China. Guangzhou , Shenzhen -- all of these twin cities are Cantonese-dominated and form the wealthiest region in the country. We refer to this as the 'Golden Pearl River' because of the immense economic clout of Guangzhou-Hong Kong-Shenzhen. This trading focused culture of Cantonese is the very reason why Cantonese (and to an extent Hakka and Teow chu) have heralded all the early overseas Chinese communities around Asia (Japan, Korea, Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia) and the rest of the World (America, Canada, Europe, India, Pakistan, Africa). This overseas oriented culture has always been a unique aspect of Cantonese people compared to the rest of China, which have been focused on internalism.

While what you say is true about how the psychology of Mainlanders in relations to HK people; at the same time, Hong Kongers should not be placed on collective blame for their own success story. Hong Kong, for me, is unique and will always be unique because the city has a rich international milleu , which is rarely found. There is a strong global presence in Hong Kong and I'm not only referring to British. There is a large Japanese, Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Southeast Asian, American, Middleastern presence in the city. Having visited Kowloon plenty of times (more than 10 times in my life), i can never get enough of this rich dynamic. It is like NYC Chinatown + Manhattan multiplied to the nth time, lol. And i love it. I can't find this in Taipei, not even in Tokyo.

This is why i objectively say that Hong Kong is the financial center of Asia; Hong Kong is and will remain the Pearl of the Orient. Literally since it cradles the Great Pearl River.

 

[grand]

Precisely.



Hong Kong, still, is the conduit. I suggest you do some readings before you entreat with me.

i suggest you keep up with the times and stop livng in the past.

 

[Borr]

This is not another HK.

It is to promote Guangzhou (to take partial place of HK).

In the long run every free trade zone bites into HK's share.

 

[Aepsilons]

This is not another HK.

It is to promote Guangzhou (to take partial place of HK).

In the long run every free trade zone bites into HK's share.

Agreed.

This is not another HK.

It is to promote Guangzhou (to take partial place of HK).

In the long run every free trade zone bites into HK's share.

Strategically speaking, the wealth still is kept in the Greater Pearl Delta. Afterall Guanghzou-Hong Kong-Shenzhen are sister cities in Guangdong.

What will happen , in the future, is the merging of a Mega City union of these three cities. In a way, Hong Kong will expand further into the mainland, and the mainland will become more integrated with Hong Kong's austere fiscal management system(s), which , by the way is the envy of the world.

 

[grand]

@Nihonjin1051 , you may find HK culture interesting, even cool. But if you look at it from a mainland perspective, you would see the reason for the resentment. Historically (at least while they were under the Brits), they enjoyed more material progress, and they were more open to the rest of the world, culturally. Unfortunately, this meant that they have and continue to look down at the mainlanders. The cantonese are also traditionally more business oriented, which makes them think they are superior to the mainlanders. Thngs are changing fast, but memories linger. You can's really blame the non-HK chinese to feel some resentment when you praise HK culture, when that very culture is the reason they feel insulted.

pure fantasy.

there is no resentment towards hong kongers from mainland chinese. there is, however, a minority of hong kongers were resentful of mainland chinese. they used to feel pretty smug about themselves cause they were richer. things changed after rapid rise of mainland china. they see many mainland chinese who visit hong kong are richer than them now and they cant handle it. but thats just a tiny portion of hong kongers.

 

[powastick]

Hi @insight-out ,

Thank you for that insightful post. Yes, you are right when you noted Cantonese being more business oriented, it is this nature than the entire Canton region , sans Hong Kong, is considered the wealthiest region in all of Mainland China. Guangzhou , Shenzhen -- all of these twin cities are Cantonese-dominated and form the wealthiest region in the country. We refer to this as the 'Golden Pearl River' because of the immense economic clout of Guangzhou-Hong Kong-Shenzhen. This trading focused culture of Cantonese is the very reason why Cantonese (and to an extent Hakka and Teow chu) have heralded all the early overseas Chinese communities around Asia (Japan, Korea, Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia) and the rest of the World (America, Canada, Europe, India, Pakistan, Africa). This overseas oriented culture has always been a unique aspect of Cantonese people compared to the rest of China, which have been focused on internalism.

While what you say is true about how the psychology of Mainlanders in relations to HK people; at the same time, Hong Kongers should not be placed on collective blame for their own success story. Hong Kong, for me, is unique and will always be unique because the city has a rich international milleu , which is rarely found. There is a strong global presence in Hong Kong and I'm not only referring to British. There is a large Japanese, Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Southeast Asian, American, Middleastern presence in the city. Having visited Kowloon plenty of times (more than 10 times in my life), i can never get enough of this rich dynamic. It is like NYC Chinatown + Manhattan multiplied to the nth time, lol. And i love it. I can't find this in Taipei, not even in Tokyo.

This is why i objectively say that Hong Kong is the financial center of Asia; Hong Kong is and will remain the Pearl of the Orient. Literally since it cradles the Great Pearl River.

Debunk your notion on Cantonese culture is superior in businesses. Singapore is mostly Fujianese. Cantonese are centered on region in Malaysia that are famous for mining not commerce. If Hong Kong growth was due to the British and so was Singapore.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Being a guy from Shanghai - a city that can match HK's hardware and infrastructure - I am still very fond of HK culture. I guess what HK attracts me is not about its material wealth, not about it being an international city, but its well preservation of traditional Chinese culture wrapped in modern outfit. They are very law/social consious while flexible in doing business, very modern while have deep traditional merits in their philosophy, very patriotic while being critical of authorities. We still have a lot to learn from them.

I have a HK friend doing business in Shanghai, he is already rich but still hard working, lead a low profile life and do a lot of charity work. I ask him why still work so hard? He told me, it's not the money, but to keep people employed to feed their families, to honor his promised words for his suppliers/customers, and he can only donate more if he can make some more. That's the kind of spirit I can't find in China.

Debunk your notion on Cantonese culture is superior in businesses. Singapore is mostly Fujianese. Cantonese are centered on region in Malaysia that are famous for mining not commerce. If Hong Kong growth was due to the British and so was Singapore.

HKers are mostly Cantonese, followed by Fujianese (Hokkien), Shanghai/Ningbo, Chaozhou (Tiujiu).
Singaporeans are mostly Fijianese, some Cantonese, some Hakka, and others.
Are you Fujianese bro? From Penang?

 

[powastick]

Being a guy from Shanghai - a city that can match HK's hardware and infrastructure - I am still very fond of HK culture. I guess what HK attracts me is not about its material wealth, not about it being an international city, but its well preservation of traditional Chinese culture wrapped in modern outfit. They are very law/social consious while flexible in doing business, very modern while have deep traditional merits in their philosophy, very patriotic while being critical of authorities. We still have a lot to learn from them.

I have a HK friend doing business in Shanghai, he is already rich but still hard working, lead a low profile life and do a lot of charity work. I ask him why still work so hard? He told me, it's not the money, but to keep people employed to feed their families, to honor his promised words for his suppliers/customers, and he can only donate more if he can make some more. That's the kind of spirit I can't find in China.



HKers are mostly Cantonese, followed by Fujianese (Hokkien), Shanghai/Ningbo, Chaozhou (Tiujiu).
Singaporeans are mostly Fijianese, some Cantonese, some Hakka, and others.
Are you Fujianese bro? From Penang?

I speak Penang Hokkien, a broken Zhangzhao Hokkien but I live in Ipoh which speak Cantonese. My Cantonese not fluent but I can understand.

 

[Aepsilons]

Debunk your notion on Cantonese culture is superior in businesses. Singapore is mostly Fujianese. Cantonese are centered on region in Malaysia that are famous for mining not commerce. If Hong Kong growth was due to the British and so was Singapore.

Hakka/Cantonese/Teow Chu --- all three are Southern Chinese dialects, and all three are in close proximity to Canton. Overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia and East Asia are mostly Cantonese/Hakka and to an extent Teow Chu. Fore example in Japan, majority of the close to 1 million Chinese living in Japan speak gwangdongwu, oldest Chinese communities in Japan such as in Nagasaki -- are mostly from Canton. Most of the overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia are Either Cantonese or Hakka and to a lesser extent Teow Chu.

PS. A considerable number of Hong Konger residents were Hakka, but eventually adapted to Cantonese.

Singapore is mostly Fujianese

Singapore is not purely Fujianese, many of whom are Cantonese as well. Fujian is also within the Canton area, so the Southern Chinese culture is observed.

If Hong Kong growth was due to the British and so was Singapore.

@powastick ,

The history of Hong Kong and Singapore is a large one, and if you want to talk about it, we can start a new thread on it. I don't feel like typing out a long winded post on it here in this thread as it is not in context to said subject matter.

If you like, please create a new thread on it, and I would more than happily discourse with you and others there.


Regards,

Being a guy from Shanghai - a city that can match HK's hardware and infrastructure - I am still very fond of HK culture. I guess what HK attracts me is not about its material wealth, not about it being an international city, but its well preservation of traditional Chinese culture wrapped in modern outfit. They are very law/social consious while flexible in doing business, very modern while have deep traditional merits in their philosophy, very patriotic while being critical of authorities. We still have a lot to learn from them.

I have a HK friend doing business in Shanghai, he is already rich but still hard working, lead a low profile life and do a lot of charity work. I ask him why still work so hard? He told me, it's not the money, but to keep people employed to feed their families, to honor his promised words for his suppliers/customers, and he can only donate more if he can make some more. That's the kind of spirit I can't find in China.



HKers are mostly Cantonese, followed by Fujianese (Hokkien), Shanghai/Ningbo, Chaozhou (Tiujiu).
Singaporeans are mostly Fijianese, some Cantonese, some Hakka, and others.
Are you Fujianese bro? From Penang?

Hong Kongers are really global-minded. Majority of the Chinese living in Tokyo are those from Hong Kong and Shanghai. Its even common to see Hong Kongers (the super wealty, of course) who work in HK, then spend weekends in Tokyo, or vice versa. HK people, due to HK's status as a gateway, have great access to the West as well and its this unrivaled access that provides HK people the ability, opportunity, capability to go anywhere and absorb a multitude of cultural , political, economic influences.

There are few cities in the Chinese mainland that boasts that, let alone few cities in Asia that has such unparalleled networking systems. Well, aside from Tokyo. he he he.

 

[bolo]

pure fantasy.

there is no resentment towards hong kongers from mainland chinese. there is, however, a minority of hong kongers were resentful of mainland chinese. they used to feel pretty smug about themselves cause they were richer. things changed after rapid rise of mainland china. they see many mainland chinese who visit hong kong are richer than them now and they cant handle it. but thats just a tiny portion of hong kongers.

True. They did the same in canada in the 1990s. Showing off their wealth even looking down on Canadians lol. Now they are on the other end are pissed off that mainlanders are buying too many things in HK such as baby formula. The Hk store owners are sure not pissed. Just a bunch of losers who can't adjust to the new world order