China scraps fines, will let families have as many children as they’d like

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About time, the rural population will just have to have more children.

 

[Whizzack]

That's called Overpopulation.

And the side effects of Overpopulation is the value of every soul will be going lower

In India, they lose almost 5 million people because Covid

Naah.. even though there are excesses with some families in Indonesia (the most famous is probably the social media celebrity, Halilintar family, which has 13 members), today the fertility rate in Indonesia is just barely at the replacement level of 2.3... about a decade ago in 2010 it was around still 2.4+... and the trend is to continue decreasing... and this is happening even with no limits to the number of children, polygamy allowed (and practiced), and rising Islamic conservatism... That being said, surprisingly India and Bangladesh FR is actually below us at 2.2 & 2.0 respectively..

Hopefully we can keep the FR at 2.3, otherwise we will get old before we get rich.. the worst FR in ASEAN is currently Singapore with 1.1 (although they can rely on immigration) and Thailand at 1.5... Pakistan will likely overtake us soon as the 4th most populous country..

 

[Daniel808]

Naah.. even though there are excesses with some families in Indonesia (the most famous is probably the social media celebrity, Halilintar family, which has 13 members), today the fertility rate in Indonesia is just barely at the replacement level of 2.3... about a decade ago in 2010 it was around still 2.4+... and the trend is to continue decreasing... and this is happening even with no limits to the number of children, polygamy allowed (and practiced), and rising Islamic conservatism... That being said, surprisingly India and Bangladesh FR is actually below us at 2.2 & 2.0 respectively..

Hopefully we can keep the FR at 2.3, otherwise we will get old before we get rich.. the worst FR in ASEAN is currently Singapore with 1.1 (although they can rely on immigration) and Thailand at 1.5... Pakistan will likely overtake us soon as the 4th most populous country..

Hopefully, Indonesia can reduce the fertility rate to 2.0-2.1 level, so the population will be stabilized.

After the population stabilized, government can focus on other things, like Improvement of Human quality, Prosperity & other hungry capital projects, especially in science & tech sector.



But the main problem of Indonesia is not that, the problem is more than 60% (145 million) of the total population cramped in one small island called Java.

Govt badly need to make economic center in other islands, and I need to admit Jokowi govt doing good in this matter

 

[Daniel808]

Family Planning Policy Shift to Guarantee Demographic Dividend
By Fan Anqi and Zhang Hui
Published: Jul 21, 2021 10:13 PM

A mother holds her second child and accompanies her elder daughter to her first class of a new semester of the Primary School Affiliated to Shandong Normal University in Ji'nan on September 3. Photo: VCG


Despite the downward trend in the number of newborns and fertility rate amid a deepening aging problem, China will still maintain its advantages in population size in the long run, where the demographic dividend will continue to exist and the talent dividend will become more dominant, state authorities said on Wednesday.

Experts noted that the measures recently rolled out marked a U-turn in the family planning policy from limiting the number of children per household to a more encouraging note of having three per family being better. The major shift in policy is believed to stabilize the fertility level at an appropriate point, and ensure a labor force large enough for the healthy growth of the economy.

While the overall population growth momentum in China continues to decline, the country will still maintain its advantages in population size in the long run, Ou Xiaoli, head of the social development bureau at the National Development and Reform Commission, said on Wednesday at a press conference.

In 2020, the number of working-age people in China was about 990 million, which was more than the combined total in the US and developed countries in Europe. In 2050, it will still be about 300 million more than working-age population in West developed nations, Wang Pei'an, deputy director of the Committee of Population, Resources and Environment of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, said on Wednesday, media reported.

The demographic dividend will continue to exist, added to an emerging talent dividend from the significant rise of education levels in the past decade, with the average years of education increasing from 9.7 years in 2010 to 10.8 years in 2020, Ou noted.

The experts' remarks refuted a Bloomberg report published earlier this month, which claimed that the low fertility rate has indicated a peak in China's working-age population.

Wednesday's media briefing came after China on Tuesday released a document in which it vowed to revise the law on population and family planning, giving full legal weight to the third-child policy.

Measures to encourage births were rolled out, ranging from tax breaks to more nurseries and flexible work leave.

One significant highlight of the decision was the abolition of the controversial "social maintenance fee," an administrative charge imposed on couples who had extra children outside of China's previous family planning policy.

Demographic experts believe that the decision is a huge shift in family planning policy, which will have significant influence for China and the world.

"It marks the end of the era for birth restriction and the beginning of a new one that encourages households to raise more children," Huang Wenzheng, a demography expert and senior researcher at the Center for China and Globalization, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

However, more powerful incentives are needed to boost people's willingness to have children, given the outlook of today's fertility rate in China that is even graver than that in some developed countries, Huang added.

The third-child policy does not indicate a complete opening for Chinese to have babies, Wang Pei'an said.

He explained that the decision took into consideration both the will of people and the country's macro- and socio-economic progress, with the aim of adjusting the pace of population growth into one more compatible with the resources and development of the country.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1229280.shtml




In 2020-2050 period :
China's have 990 million working-age population, more than total combined of US & Europe

In 2050-2100 period :
China's still have more than 300 million working-age population, than US & Europe.

In 2100-2200 period :
Most Production will be Automatized with AI Robot workforce, so the country still or even more Productive than before.

How about Consumption of Chinese products in 2100-2200 period?
Most Consumption will goes to the consumers in Developing countries, and to Development projects across Chinese Colony in Moon & Mars

 

[lcloo]

Having more than one child in China means you belong to a rich family and three means you belong to the upper class in Chinese society

My former office co-worker in Shenzhen has 3 children, her husband ran a tiny family grocery store about the size of less than 15m square, so they were not rich at all.

She had her 3rd child born around year 2001, 20 years ago when the one child policy was still in effect. She just paid some fine to the authority and was happy with having the third child. She is a Han Chinese by the way.