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Hi, you know what in the end They still are 2 steps-miles ahead of us you can never match them in air superiority that is what they aim at to have complete air superiority-air dominance. AMRAAMs will do the Job but to their limits IF the Air War stretches long we will run out of them and many of F-16s.

You mean we will run out of 500 AIM-120C & 750 SD-10 in a war? Besides, you are again missing the point. In case of war, IAF will face not only PAF but also AWACS/SAM Assets etc. PAF will only be required to defend Pakistani Airspace, whereas IAF would be expected to dominate it......advantage will be on our side.



Please forget FC-20, there is no credible information on when it would be delivered and how many of them here certainly is no plans for 100+ FC-20s PAF is severely restricted due to funds either deliberately or factually. There is also not much information on IF PAF/Army has long range SAMs and we know we have habit to keep our eyes-ears shut and heads down when we screw up so the silence point to screw up not to conspiracy that "oh we have a surprise". IF PAF wanted to surprise hindustan it would have pressured China into procuring atleast J-10As in good numbers that should have been the baseline along with F-16s in early 2000's...

There was no urgency to procure J-10's as IAF does not operate any asset that we currently cannot handle. Their acquisition of MMRCA pushed PAF to look for J-10s in the first place and well, rest assure that PAF will be operating J-10's before IAF operates Rafael. P.S. FD-2000+ has been in operation for the past 2 years.



But all the best to JF-17/J-10 programs I would wish it to be on par or with marginal difference-distance behind BLK 52-60. Though it is J-10 related thread just one last thing the later Blocks III-IV have to be on par-equal to F-16s Block 52-60 in design parameters and technologies to compete with neighbor having mass produced for a reason..., PAF may try but not rely-depend on alternative solution that is FC-20 but take JFT one step ahead as Japanese did to F-2 in cooperation with US.

F-16 Blk 52+ to Blk 60 are 'current generation' Jets so comparing JF-17 to such an established performer at this stage is quite unfair. Give it 5-10 years and you will have something that will outperform all existing F-16's even Blk 60.
 
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It seems illogical for IAF to get all bent out of shape over PAF's measly acquisition of two squadrons (36 aircrafts ) of F-16 block 52 (Fourth Generation aircrafts) and another two squadrons of J-10B by 2014/2015 ( also Fourth Gen. Aircrafts ), when they will have additional 300 more Su-30 MKIs; getting 126 Rafale ( medium multi role combat aircraft ); and upgrading the Mirage 2000s, Jaguars and the MiG-29s. This is in addition to the current inventory of SU-30 MKI's. Their concerns make no sense as rest of PAF inventory comprises of third generation junk, and so I ask the Indian PDF to kindly shed some light on these fears.


China’s J-10B Advanced Fighters To Pakistan Worries India ~ ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS


The recent official offer of the Chinese to raise a squadron of its home-grown advanced multi-role, all-weather fighter aircraft J-10B to Pakistan has worried Indian defence experts. Pakistan will be the only other country apart from China to have this sophisticated fighter aircraft.

Air Commodore (Retd) Jasjit Singh, director, New Delhi-based Centre for Air Power Studies (CAPS), told DNA: “India now not only faces the possibility of a two-front war but has to also deal with a two-front military modernisation programme with China supplying its latest weaponry to Pakistan.”

He said India faces a 10-year window of vulnerability as the Indian Air Force’s (IAF’s) present squadron of 34 is way below the sanctioned strength of 39 squadrons. “It will take 10 years for the IAF to get back to its sanctioned strength of 39 squadrons. While Pakistan at present, with 24 squadrons, is raising its strength rapidly with China’s support,” said Singh, who is also the former director of Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis.

Former Vice Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal PK Barbora, however, said China’s offering Pakistan a squadron of the J-10s may not threaten India’s air superiority. “China does not have a great record of producing a world-class aircraft. All they do is reverse engineer and manufacture aircraft. Secondly, by raising just one squadron Pakistan may not benefit much,” he said.

However, Pakistani media reports indicate that it is looking at raising two squadrons of the fourth generation aircraft to counter India’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, which is still under development. Besides, according to US military and defence technology news website, Defense Update, the Chinese designed Joint Fighter (JF)-17 (commonly known as ‘Thunder’) is already under production in Pakistan and is actively being promoted for export in the world market.

Despite his optimism, Air Marshal Barbora warned that the slow pace of India’s defence indigenisation (read LCA Tejas, in particular) is a cause for worry. “We will be adding The same cannot be said of some pathetic status of indigenous programmes like the Light Combat Aircraft, which has been delayed for years now,” he says.
India getting 126 Rafale and still afraid of Pakistan getting J-10 B this tells a lot about Indian Mindset but Pakistan should not try to get 100 J 10 B at least yes economy is a major issue but if we loose our independence than their will be no question of economy so Pakistan needs to get 100 J 10 b at least
 
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Zarvan, order is 36 J-10B but eventually we are getting 120 J-10B.



An Indian source? Wow.

120 J 10B makes no logical sense - consider this: you will start getting J 10B around 2014 - 2015 and deliveries end in 2017. If at this time instead of ordering 80 -100 more J 10B you order even 36 J 20( which should enter production around this time) that will worry india far more. I personally dont thhink PAF will have enough money to buy 100 J 10B as well as a few J 20 - its one or the other and in this case any sane person will go for the J 20.
 
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Because we have Himalaya too at our north side for protection.

you have just himalayas we have 3 mighty Mountain ranges on this planet himalayas karakorams and hindukush :cheesy: but it cant give security of air strikes :rolleyes:
 
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120 J 10B makes no logical sense - consider this: you will start getting J 10B around 2014 - 2015 and deliveries end in 2017. If at this time instead of ordering 80 -100 more J 10B you order even 36 J 20( which should enter production around this time) that will worry india far more. I personally dont thhink PAF will have enough money to buy 100 J 10B as well as a few J 20 - its one or the other and in this case any sane person will go for the J 20.

There is no firm commitment on Pakistan's side to procure huge numbers of J-10B; PAF does not have funds available. And deliveries do take time..

Mav3rick..please understand...there will be deep strikes and many of your assets would be destroyed on the ground same would go for hindustan but Yet they would have more assets at disposal.

Yes you can run out of missiles stock IF the War prolongs that is the reality. PAF will also face AWACS-SAMs on the other side you are missing the point as well and the number would multifold increase on the other side of the border conveniently and easily due to availability of funds. Don't be o sure about having advantage in your own Air Space, IAF is for total air dominance and in next 10 Years we will witness it all. Yes J-10A could have replaced the aging numbers of Non Rose Mirages...I have never seen PAF striking a great deal in time except for F-16s in early 80s and F-16s in early 2000. You need re-read my last Para of earlier posts, thankyou.
 
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There is no firm commitment on Pakistan's side to procure huge numbers of J-10B; PAF does not have funds available. And deliveries do take time..

Mav3rick..please understand...there will be deep strikes and many of your assets would be destroyed on the ground same would go for hindustan but Yet they would have more assets at disposal.

Yes you can run out of missiles stock IF the War prolongs that is the reality. PAF will also face AWACS-SAMs on the other side you are missing the point as well and the number would multifold increase on the other side of the border conveniently and easily due to availability of funds. Don't be o sure about having advantage in your own Air Space, IAF is for total air dominance and in next 10 Years we will witness it all. Yes J-10A could have replaced the aging numbers of Non Rose Mirages...I have never seen PAF striking a great deal in time except for F-16s in early 80s and F-16s in early 2000. You need re-read my last Para of earlier posts, thankyou.

True...do you think thats why we're pushing through with our missile research and possible procurement of tactical nukes ? Forget the Nukes for a moment but we've got the M-11s, the Nasrs, the Hatf 1Bs and the Ghaznavis to hit their Forward Bases ! The Hatf 1Bs, from what I've heard, are easy to make and acquire in large numbers and with a decent sized warhead along with a 100Km range should be quite handy as a battlefield missile. Don't you think that with us having these and them having counterparts of these...the chances of escalation are minimal ?
 
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There is no firm commitment on Pakistan's side to procure huge numbers of J-10B; PAF does not have funds available. And deliveries do take time..

Mav3rick..please understand...there will be deep strikes and many of your assets would be destroyed on the ground same would go for hindustan but Yet they would have more assets at disposal.

Yes you can run out of missiles stock IF the War prolongs that is the reality. PAF will also face AWACS-SAMs on the other side you are missing the point as well and the number would multifold increase on the other side of the border conveniently and easily due to availability of funds. Don't be o sure about having advantage in your own Air Space, IAF is for total air dominance and in next 10 Years we will witness it all. Yes J-10A could have replaced the aging numbers of Non Rose Mirages...I have never seen PAF striking a great deal in time except for F-16s in early 80s and F-16s in early 2000. You need re-read my last Para of earlier posts, thankyou.

1) PAF & IAF follow different doctrines, PAF is defensive, IAF is offensive. In a war, IAF will be expected to dominate Pakistani airspace whereas PAF will be expected to defend it and with additional ground based assets, PAF will have the upper hand. PAF will only be expected to take out forward IAF bases and SAM sites which it can do with CM's just like IAF can to our bases. But since PAF would not be used for air dominance over Indian airspace, PAF will never face the threat of multi layered SAM architecture of Indian Military.

2) We have already placed an order of 36 J-10's which will most likely be increased to 5-8 squadrons to replace Mirages.

3) And for the punch line...........within 10-15 years PAF & PA (perhaps even PN) will be operating UCAV's (manufactured indigenously) which will ultimately take up the role of CAP at the front line, especially with their stealthier designs and negligible RCS etc.

We are well prepared against India, at any given moment.
 
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1) PAF & IAF follow different doctrines, PAF is defensive, IAF is offensive. In a war, IAF will be expected to dominate Pakistani airspace whereas PAF will be expected to defend it and with additional ground based assets, PAF will have the upper hand. PAF will only be expected to take out forward IAF bases and SAM sites which it can do with CM's just like IAF can to our bases. But since PAF would not be used for air dominance over Indian airspace, PAF will never face the threat of multi layered SAM architecture of Indian Military.
that means PAF has no objective no enter Indian airspace ?

2) We have already placed an order of 36 J-10's which will most likely be increased to 5-8 squadrons to replace Mirages.
would be really nice to see some credible source maybe from ministry of defence of pakistan ?

3) And for the punch line...........within 10-15 years PAF & PA (perhaps even PN) will be operating UCAV's (manufactured indigenously) which will ultimately take up the role of CAP at the front line, especially with their stealthier designs and negligible RCS etc.
i dont know astronomy but as your so sure their must be some project any details ?
We are well prepared against India, at any given moment.
u decide
 
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1) PAF & IAF follow different doctrines, PAF is defensive, IAF is offensive. In a war, IAF will be expected to dominate Pakistani airspace whereas PAF will be expected to defend it and with additional ground based assets, PAF will have the upper hand. PAF will only be expected to take out forward IAF bases and SAM sites which it can do with CM's just like IAF can to our bases. But since PAF would not be used for air dominance over Indian airspace, PAF will never face the threat of multi layered SAM architecture of Indian Military.

2) We have already placed an order of 36 J-10's which will most likely be increased to 5-8 squadrons to replace Mirages.

3) And for the punch line...........within 10-15 years PAF & PA (perhaps even PN) will be operating UCAV's (manufactured indigenously) which will ultimately take up the role of CAP at the front line, especially with their stealthier designs and negligible RCS etc.

We are well prepared against India, at any given moment.
No you are not.
India already fields long range fighters/bombers ala SU 30's in the numbers you cannot dream to match. PAF has a few F-16's with some sizeable capability. They are mostly being upgraded currently. Everything else is target practice and will be mostly taken on ground. Those few semi-decent short-ranged SAM's will be mincemeat during SEAD missions using CM's and multirole jets jets such as M2K and evidently Su 30's and Jaguars. At best 1-2 weeks and PAF would be down on it's knees.
 
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No you are not.
India already fields long range fighters/bombers ala SU 30's in the numbers you cannot dream to match. PAF has a few F-16's with some sizeable capability. They are mostly being upgraded currently. Everything else is target practice and will be mostly taken on ground. Those few semi-decent short-ranged SAM's will be mincemeat during SEAD missions using CM's and multirole jets jets such as M2K and evidently Su 30's and Jaguars. At best 1-2 weeks and PAF would be down on it's knees.

Yes , everything is target practice for mighty IAF and God's gift to aviation SU 30 MKI :rofl:

The only shitty thing is that you had those Sukhois in 2001-2002 and you never dared to enter our airspace let alone attack ... Back then , we only had a couple of squadrons of outdated F16's ... So ?

Seriously , are you the only one possessing CM's or BM's ? :azn:

Pray that the war doesn't last 1-2 weeks ... We are really very trigger happy as we have proved twice ...
 
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