China’s Anti-Carrier Ballistic Missile Now Opposite Taiwan | Bloomberg

[hassan346]

i am new here i need to post 30 msgs b4r i can post any img lol

 

[gambit]

The Df-21D has been fully tested on moving targets but the PLA don't like to give out info on anything. The US already knows that it's fully operational and can hit moving targets. I doubt the US can detect this missile, which is why they are so scared of it.
Why would russia and china give out info to the US, this is between them.

Try harder kid, much much harder.

Actually, it is YOU who should try harder -- much harder -- to shut up about this subject.

Once again, according to 'Chinese physics', the DF-21D launch does not emit any infrared (IR) radiation.

 

[j20blackdragon]

So how many of your fellow mainland Chinese have been overseas, buddy

Hot off the press.

China Becomes World’s Biggest Source of Tourists

 

[Paludism]

I am a member of SinoDef. I do not post there much because certain members of the admin staff have exhibited clear bias towards Chinese members regarding meting out administrative levies, as in bogus ones. The individual outright lied about how I allegedly 'insulted' another member and that such behavior was 'common'. It was odd considering how I have less than 90 posts and that this person failed to show a pattern of such insulting behaviors throughout those 90 posts.

I have no interests in meeting any of the Chinese members here. About 1/3 of the engineers I work with are Chinese, from mainland China to Taiwan to Singapore. Not one of them is anything like the Chinese members here: racist and arrogant.

I agree with you for the part that quite a lot of Chinese members are arrogant. I do not wish to be arrogant, but sometimes we do get on the wrong foot. Also, I do apologize on behalf of the Chinese members and myself for behaving arrogantly. One principal reason is, English isn't our primary language. Some of the members here understands more Chinese than English. Agreed, some members tends to get hung up when attempting to construe a point across.
I rarely come to this forum as you can evidently see from my join date and the number of post. I honestly hope we all can have a healthy discussion from now on. Cheers!!!

 

[Martian2]

howmuch they cost since they're so advanced>

$5 million to $10.5 million per Chinese DF-21D ASBM. About the price of an inflation-adjusted $12 million U.S. Pershing II. See citation below.

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Locating, tracking, and attacking a carrier group

Locating a carrier or Aegis destroyer:

1. Chinese Noss Triplet (Yaogan 9 and Yaogan 16 launches). Theoretically, a similar capability can be deployed on drones, including stealth drones.

NOSS Double and Triple Satellite Formations

"Introduction

One of the interesting sights in the night sky are the Naval Ocean Surveillance System (NOSS) satellite formations, each having two or three satellites in close proximity to one another. Normally these satellites are relatively dim to the unaided eye, but on occasion they brighten sufficiently to be easily seen in a dark sky.

NOSS satellites locate and track ships at sea by detecting their radio transmissions and analyzing them using the TDOA (time-difference-of-arrival) technique.
...
China's NOSS Triplet

In early 2010, China launched its own NOSS triplet, into very nearly the identical orbital inclination and altitude of U.S. NOSS. None of the U.S. NOSS triplets remain in formation, so the Chinese triplet is the only intact example in orbit today. They are readily visible in binoculars, and occasionally to the unaided eye.

...Common Catalog International
....Name... Number Designation Comments
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Yaogan 9A 36413 2010-009A Chinese NOSS satellite
Yaogan 9B 36414 2010-009B Chinese NOSS satellite
Yaogan 9C 36415 2010-009C Chinese NOSS satellite"

2. Over-the-horizon radar. SAR radar. Surface radar.

3. Infrared satellites or infrared sensors on drones (or aircraft) to detect heat from carrier, airplanes using afterburners to launch from carriers, and heat from Aegis destroyer smokestacks/mufflers.

4. Optical satellites or optical sensors on drones, aircraft, or stealth drones. Optical sensors can track on a clear or cloudy day and on clear nights, it should be able to differentiate the difference in reflectivity between moonlit water and non-reflective four-acres of carrier presence. Some satellites or sensors can detect a ship by locating the wake behind a ship.

5. SOSUS. Using acoustical sensors embedded in the seabed and on submarines or marine drones, China should be able to detect and triangulate the position of U.S. carriers through their noisy propellers. You can see the gigantic waves and bubbles trailing behind a carrier. Those create a lot of acoustic noise.

Attacking a capital ship (carrier or Aegis destroyer):

1. Will China open with a megaton EMP (electromagnetic pulse) weapon to render the entire carrier group helpless in the ocean before its attack? If a thermonuclear-powered EMP device is objectionable, will China use a conventionally-powered EMP device instead?

Thank you to Dr. Somnath for the EMP illustration of China's ASBM

2. ASBM. DF-21D traveling at Mach 10 to 12, which is 2.5 miles per second.

3. Air-to-surface CM-400AKG missile traveling at Mach 5.5, which is 1.25 miles per second. Next, there is the LD-10 Mach 4 anti-radiation missile (based on its similarity to the SD-10/PL-12, we assume similar performance) that travels at 1 mile per second (reference: China – New Anti-Radar Missile).

China's new CM-400AKG long-range (100 to 240km) air-to-surface missile has a terminal velocity of Mach 5.5 (from Zhuhai Airshow 2012).

CM-400AKG Missile at Zhuhai Airshow 2012 | Defense Updates

"CM-400AKG Missile at Zhuhai Airshow 2012
Saturday, November 24, 2012

At Zhuhai Aishow 2012, the CM-400AKG was displayed for the first time. The CM-400AKG is a high speed, Air-to-Surface Missile developed by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC).

The CM-400AKG is in the same class as the Raduga KH-15 (AS-16 Kickback) missile. The fire-and-forget missile can reach a maximum speed of Mach 5.5 and a range of between 100 and 240 km. The missile has a length of 5.2 m and weighs about 900 kg.

Guidance is modular and include passive radar homing and Imaging Infrared. Unlike the sea-skimming profile of the C-802 missile, the CM-400AKG does a high-altitude climb after launch with a high-speed dive onto the target.

The missile was displayed with the JF-17 fighter and has been adopted into service according to officials from the Pakistan Air Force."

4. Air-to-surface slingshotted precision guided bomb

5. Sea-skimming cruise missile

6. Sea-skimming cruise missile with a supersonic terminal-phase warhead

7. Supersonic cruise missile that pulls up and attacks from above in terminal phase

8. Stealth cruise missile

China has proven they can design very-low-observable stealth manned aircraft in the Chengdu J-20 and Shenyang J-31 stealth fighters.

China has also proven they can build the DH-10 2,000km+ long-range cruise missile (see DH-10 range in Figure 17 "China's Missile Force" chart on p. 56 in Department of Defense Annual Report to Congress - Military Power of the People’s Republic of China 2008. Link: http://www.defense.gov/pubs/pdfs/China_Military_Report_08.pdf).

China merely has to combine its two proven skills. It only has to design a cruise missile with stealth features and coat it with RAM. We know China can produce normal RAM, transparent gold-colored cockpit canopy RAM, and adaptive RAM (seen on the Chengdu J-20 "2002" radome as two-toned paint).

In fact, the United States produced its first stealth cruise missile five years BEFORE the first flight of the F-22. It is now two years AFTER the first flight of the Chengdu J-20. It is highly probable that China has a stealth cruise missile in operation.

Given the power of today's computer chips, China should be able to program an unpredictable path for the cruise missile end-phase. A cruise missile should not come in straight and level to make it easy for a CIWS to shoot them down (as seen on YouTube). A cruise missile should come veering in at a sharp angle (or unpredictable stutter step such as change direction then level flight then direction change before impact) and change elevation if possible before impact to make life difficult for the CWIS.

9. Torpedoes

10. MLRS

Note all of these weapons will probably be deployed in the hundreds and used to attack simultaneously from all directions. The carrier group will be in the middle of a kill zone and its defensive weapons must perform 100% without fail. Also, if the CIWS overheats, jams, misfires, or runs out of ammunition then it's all over.

An U.S. carrier costs about $5 billion dollars. When you include the planes and ordnance on a carrier, its value doubles to about $10 billion dollars. A Chinese DF-21D ASBM costs about $10 million each. From a strictly economic perspective, China can afford to fire 1,000 DF-21D ASBMs at a carrier and still come out ahead economically (without considering the tremendous military and moral value if it succeeds). See citation below: "US Naval War College: China's DF-21D ASBM costs $5 to $10.5 million per missile"

Conclusion:

Under ideal conditions and defending against a single dumb (non-MIRVed or MARVed) missile, THAAD has a subpar success rate. It is almost inconceivable that the U.S. Navy would send its capital ships into a kill zone in Asia. The U.S. military is most likely to exert pressure on China by affecting its oil shipments near the Persian Gulf. However, this is unlikely to succeed because China can use its advantage on land to annex energy-and-resource-rich Mongolia.

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US Naval War College: China's DF-21D ASBM costs $5 to $10.5 million per missile

A Chinese DF-21D ASBM costs only $5 to $10.5 million. China can afford to build hundreds of them.

Out of the 100 DF-21D ASBMs fired at a single aircraft carrier, China only needs one or two hits to achieve a "soft kill" (e.g. knocked out of combat). If there are more impacts, the carrier might sink.

I have suggested China may fire 100 DF-21D ASBMs to arrive near-simultaneously and attack an aircraft carrier. However, is this economically feasible? As shown in the citation below, each DF-21D ASBM costs between $5 to $10.5 million per missile.

We'll pick the upper range and say each DF-21D ASBM costs $10 million. A bombardment of 100 DF-21D ASBMs will cost a total of $1 billion. This is a cost-effective way to attack a $5 billion aircraft carrier.

Anyway, in a war, costs don't really matter. China will attempt to sink the aircraft carrier with sufficient numbers of DF-21D ASBMs regardless of cost.

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From the third page at the following link from the US Naval War College:

http://www.usnwc.edu/getattachment/...9d27/The-Strategic-Implications-of-Obscurants

"While it is problematic to estimate accurately the cost of the DF-21, sources place the unit price, in U.S. currency, between $5,000,000 and $10,500,000 per missile.[7] This seems a reasonable estimate in light of the cost of a similar weapon, the U.S. Pershing II, which adjusted for inflation would be roughly twelve million dollars per missile. In comparison, the ballistic-missile-defense-capable SM-3 costs roughly ten million dollars per missile. At first blush, the nearly equal prices of interceptor (SM-3) and ASBM (DF-21) suggest near parity in cost ratio, but a “shoot two to kill one” doctrine means a differential of nearly ten million dollars per exchange. However, even this is misleading, as the launch platform—essentially a big truck—of the DF-21 is far less expensive than that of the SM-3, a warship. This estimate also ignores the operational and developmental challenges of intercepting an ASBM; nor does it fold in the things like purchasing power disparity, labor costs, and government controls, which all favor China. Nonetheless, this simple cost comparison is striking."

 

[Martian2]

Operational already ??? Tested on moving targets ???

Yes, that is what "deployed" means (see post #1 and reproduced below).

Bloomberg news report: "The Chinese military has deployed its new anti-ship ballistic missile along its southern coast facing Taiwan, the Pentagon’s top military intelligence officer said today."

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Also, read last bold paragraph at the bottom of the article below.

Wang Genbin: DF-21D can hit "slow-moving targets” with a CEP of dozens of meters

Admiral Robert F. Willard, Commander, U.S. Pacific Command

China Testing Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile (ASBM); U.S. Preparing Accordingly–Updated With Latest Analysis & Sources|Andrew S. Erickson

"On 24 August 2010, Admiral Robert F. Willard, Commander, U.S. Pacific Command (PACOM), made the following statement to Japanese media in Tokyo:

“To our knowledge, [China’s ASBM] has undergone repeated tests and it is probably very close to being operational.”

A 16 August 2010 background briefing by a Senior U.S. Department of Defense official indicates that China still needs to successfully integrate its ASBM with C4ISR in order to operationalize it:

“We continue to be concerned about their efforts to development this—this particular system. I would say the primary area… where we see them still facing roadblocks is in integrating the missile system with the C4-ISR. And they still have a ways to go before they manage to get that integrated so that they have an operational and effective system.”

“But nonetheless, this is an area that, for all the obvious reasons, remains, you know, of great concern for us.”

The just-released 2010 U.S. Department of Defense Report on China’s Military offers a general background:

“Augmented by direct acquisition of foreign weapons and technology, [defense industry] reforms have enabled China to develop and produce advanced weapon systems that incorporate mid-1990s technology in many areas, and some systems—particularly ballistic missiles—that rival any in the world today.” (p. 43)

“Production trends and resource allocation appear to favor missile and space systems….” (p. 44).

“China has the most active land-based ballistic and cruise missile program in the world. It is developing and testing several new classes.” (p. 1)

“China is developing an anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) based on a variant of the CSS-5 medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM). The missile has a range in excess of 1,500 km, is armed with a maneuverable warhead, and when integrated with appropriate command and control systems, is intended to provide the PLA the capability to attack ships, including aircraft carriers, in the western Pacific Ocean.” (p. 2)

“The PLA is acquiring conventional MRBMs to increase the range at which it can conduct precision strikes against land targets and naval ships, including aircraft carriers, operating far from China’s shores out to the first island chain.” (p. 31)

“The PLA Navy is improving its over-the-horizon (OTH) targeting capability with Sky Wave and Surface Wave OTH radars. OTH radars could be used in conjunction with imagery satellites to assist in locating targets at great distances from PRC shores to support long range precision strikes, including by anti-ship ballistic missiles.” (p. 2)

“Over the long term, improvements in China’s C4ISR, including space-based and over-the-horizon sensors, could enable Beijing to identify, track, and target military activities deep into the western Pacific Ocean.” (p. 37)

Based on sophisticated organizational analysis, Mark Stokes and Tiffany Ma suggest that the Second Artillery may be constructing ASBM missile brigade facilities in the northern Guangdong Province municipality of Shaoguan (韶&#20851:

“Last week, China’s state-run media quietly announced the construction of facilities for a new Second Artillery missile brigade – the 96166 Unit – in the northern Guangdong municipality of Shaoguan… the province is already home to a Second Artillery short-range ballistic missile (SRBM) brigade (the 96169 unit in Meizhou)….”

“Although the introduction of the 1,700km range solid fuelled, terminally guided DF-21C ballistic missile into Guangdong is possible, the brigade is also a candidate to be the first unit equipped with the DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM). The DF-21C, first introduced into the active inventory in 2005, is designed to attack fixed targets on land. If an ASBM is successful in passing the necessary design reviews and a sufficient sensor network is in place, the Shaoguan brigade could become the first in the PLA to field a lethal capability against moving targets at sea out to a range of 1,500-2,000km or more from launch sites.”

“The Second Artillery planned to finalize the design of the DF-21D by the end of 2010 and the establishment of a permanent deployment location often coincides with the design finalization of a new missile. However, an initial operational capability is likely a ways off, as a follow-on testing of a prototype design may be needed prior to certification for full-rate production.”

Shaoguan’s location near Hunan Province, with the inter-provincial Nanling mountains and tunnels through them that complicate satellite surveillance (under construction since at least 2008), offers significant advantages:

“Whether the unit is equipped with the DF-21C or the more advanced DF-21D maritime variant, the establishment of a conventionally-capable medium range ballistic missile brigade in Guangdong would decisively expand the Second Artillery’s striking radius. More specifically, it would enable the Second Artillery to support the Central Military Commission to enforce territorial claims in the South China Sea, or strike targets in a Taiwan-related contingency without having to overfly Japanese territory.”

Other recent indications of Chinese ASBM development progress include the reported completion of a DF-21D rocket motor facility in 2009 and the recent launch of 5 advanced Yaogan satellites, three of which were apparently placed in the same orbit on 5 March–thereby perhaps offering better coverage of critical areas along China’s maritime periphery. Another possible indication is a recent news release attributed to China Aerospace Science & Industry Corporation (CASIC) citing Wang Genbin, Deputy Director of its 4th Department, as stating that the DF-21D can hit “slow-moving targets” with a CEP (circular error probable, meaning half of missiles fired will strike within) of dozens of meters. Mark Stokes, a noted expert at the Project 2049 Institute on this and related issues, stated on 4 June 2010 that 'odds are what you’re seeing now in terms of testing is… flight tests of the [DF-21D] motor itself and the airframe… the final step would be most likely going against a target at sea in a realistic environment.'”

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Supplementary citations:

China Deploys World
Dec 26, 2010 – This suggests that it could conceivably be a DF-21D ASBM. ..... (CASIC) citing Wang Genbin, Deputy Director of its 4th Department, as stating that the DF-21D can hit “slow-moving targets” with a CEP (circular error probable, ...

China to Test Carrier Killing Missile On Fourth of July?
Jun 30, 2010 – Recent indications include the reported completion of a DF-21D rocket motor ... (CASIC) citing Wang Genbin, Deputy Director of its 4th Department, as stating that the DF-21D can hit “slow-moving targets” with a CEP (circular ...

http://defensetech.org/2010/06/30/china-to-test-carrier-killing-missile-on-fourth-of-july/
defensetech.org › Sea › AirSea Battle
Jun 30, 2010 – Recent indications include the reported completion of a DF-21D rocket motor ... (CASIC) citing Wang Genbin, Deputy Director of its 4th Department, as stating that the DF-21D can hit “slow-moving targets” with a CEP (circular ...

 

[dbc]

I doubt the US can detect this missile, which is why they are so scared of it.

NORAD could detect a small bonfire in the uninhabited mountains of Afghanistan in 2001. I've said this to you before you are out of touch with reality. A DF-21D launch from China will alarm the US and all China's nuclear neighbors and may trigger events the outcome of which will be disastrous for China.

 

[gambit]

Yes, that is what "deployed" means (see post #1 and reproduced below).

No. That is not what 'deployed' mean. See my post about China's limited open water testing area.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...ow-opposite-taiwan-bloomberg.html#post4201887

 

[Martian2]

No. That is not what 'deployed' mean. See my post about China's limited open water testing area.

Your choice: Believe Admiral Willard and the Pentagon's top intelligence officer or kooky Gambit

Actually, "deployed" does mean moving beyond IOC (initial operating capability).

Three more years of testing has occurred since Admiral Willard's statement regarding the limited tests already conducted on the DF-21D ASBM.

"On 24 August 2010, Admiral Robert F. Willard, Commander, U.S. Pacific Command (PACOM), made the following statement to Japanese media in Tokyo:

“To our knowledge, [China’s ASBM] has undergone repeated tests and it is probably very close to being operational.”

After three more years of tests, China's ASBM is now operational/deployed.

I don't know what word game that you (Gambit) are playing, but I'm not aware of a stage beyond deployment. I don't like it when you make up your own definition for "deployment."

You already know that I think you're ridiculous for claiming flat surfaces are not an integral part of stealth design. Here, you're making up your own ridiculous definition for "deployed." You are seriously out of step with the mainstream.

I have quoted Admiral Willard and the Pentagon's top intelligence officer (as cited by Bloomberg news). You have only quoted yourself to present a conflicting view.

I wonder if people would rather believe Admiral Willard and the Pentagon's top intelligence officer or you? What do you think?

 

[gambit]

Actually, "deployed" does mean moving beyond IOC (initial operating capability).

Three more years of testing has occurred since Admiral Willard's statement regarding the limited tests already conducted on the DF-21D ASBM.



After three more years of tests, China's ASBM is now operational/deployed.

I don't know what word game that you (Gambit) are playing, but I'm not aware of a stage beyond deployment. I don't like it when you make up your own definition for "deployment."

Here is where your lack of military and research experience is evident.

ANYTHING can be 'qualified' for deployment and its qualifications are based upon arbitrary criteria and certifications. You have not shown us any credible sources that says the DF-21D completed over the horizon open water testing, so if the weapon is considered 'deployed', it mean the criteria and certification are not what people, including Admiral Willard, believes to be. That does not mean the admiral is lying. It means he spoke from a China's perspective.

So tell us that the international community missed all those over the horizon open water testing in the Pacific. Pleassssseeee....

You already know that I think you're ridiculous for claiming flat surfaces are not an integral part of stealth design. Here, you're making up your own ridiculous definition for "deployed."

That is a lie and I challenge you to show the readers where I even implicit to that. Long time members here know I have been explaining the foundations of radar detection and 'stealth' well before your presence here and they know I have dismissed NOTHING. Your problem is that just like most of the Chinese members here, you cannot grasp complex relationships, engineering or else.

 

[Martian2]

Members who repeatedly post no citations should be banned

I hope the moderators will take into serious consideration my proposal to ban repeat offenders that do not post citations and keep contradicting mainstream press reports. Please ban Gambit. He's trolling and making contradictory claims without a single mainstream citation to support his position.

I think we're all tired of reading his kooky rhetoric. It is very distracting when serious members are trying to hold a mainstream discussion without his nutty claims.

 

[Dash]

The Df-21D has been fully tested on moving targets but the PLA don't like to give out info on anything. The US already knows that it's fully operational and can hit moving targets. I doubt the US can detect this missile, which is why they are so scared of it.
Why would russia and china give out info to the US, this is between them.

Try harder kid, much much harder.

You have gone past US in developing a stealth (invisible) missile....ohh ****, it just flew over my head and i couldnt see it

 

[Martian2]

Gaofen-4 satellite will be able to track U.S. carriers from geostationary orbit

The Gaofen-4 satellite is scheduled for launch in 2015 (see citation below). It is noteworthy, because it has a resolution of 50m. Since an U.S. Nimitz-class carrier is 332.8m, a Chinese Gaofen-4 satellite will be able to easily track a Nimitz carrier.

The Gaofen-4 satellite should be able to provide the GPS coordinates for a Nimitz carrier to a Chinese DF-21D ASBM (anti-ship ballistic missile). The gaze of the Gaofen-4 will be focused on the waters east of China.

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Gaofen-1 has 2m resolution (launched). Gaofen-2 has 1m resolution (launch later this year).

In past interviews, Chinese designers have said that their military satellites have twice the resolution of their commercial satellites. For example, if a commercial satellite has two-meter resolution (like the Gaofen-1) then a military satellite has about an one-meter resolution.

However, the commercial Gaofen-2 satellite with one-meter resolution will launch later this year. This means current Chinese military satellite technology is at approximately 0.5 meter resolution. It is very impressive for Chinese military satellites to achieve sub-meter resolution!

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Picture of Gaofen-1 satellite

China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation

[Note: Thank you to "Galactic Penguin SST" for the picture link.]

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China launches Gaofen-1 satellite- China.org.cn

China launches the first Gaofen high-resolution imaging satellite at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center on April. 26, 2013. [Photo/Xinhua]

[Note: Thank you to Sheriff for alerting me to the Gaofen-1 launch.]

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China back in action with Long March 2D launch of Gaofen-1 | NASASpaceFlight.com

"China back in action with Long March 2D launch of Gaofen-1
April 25, 2013 by Rui C. Barbosa

China has opened its 2013 account with the launch of a new civilian high-resolution remote sensing satellite called Gaofen-1. Launched by a Long March 2D (Chang Zheng 2D), lift off took place at 04:13 UTC from LC43 at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center.
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Gaofen-1 is based on the CAST small satellite bus designed, built by China Spacesat Co. Ltd. It is equipped with two solar panel wings. For observation purposes, GF-1 is equipped with a 2 meter resolution CCD camera, an 8 meter resolution multi-spectrum imager, and a 16 meter resolution wide-field multi-spectrum imager.

CAST2000 is a small satellite bus with high performance, expandability and flexibility. It adopts S-band TT&C sub-system, X-band data transmission sub-system and 3-axis attitude stabilization, and has the capabilities of highly precise control, large-range sway maneuver, flexible orbit maneuver, highly integrated housekeeping and highly effective power supply.

Moreover, it sports “constellation configuration maintenance” and phase control to support formation flight of small satellites. The bus has been successfully applied in several Chinese small satellites, and proven to be of excellent performance and reliability.
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Gaofen-2 is also expected to launch this year. GF-2 will have a one meter resolution pan-chromatic camera and a four meter resolution multi-spectral camera.

Another three Gaofen satellites are expected to launch in 2015. This next series will include the GF-3 satellite, which will sport a one meter resolution C-band synthetic aptitude radar, while GF-4 will have a 50 meter resolution fixed-point camera in geostationary orbit.

GF-5 will use a visible light-near infrared hyper-spectral camera, a full-frequency spectrometer/atmospheric greenhouse gas monitor, an atmospheric trace gas absorption spectrometer atmospheric aerosol multi-angle photometer, and a atmospheric environment very-high resolution infrared radiation detector.

Gaofen-6 will be launched in 2016, and will include a two meter resolution pan-chromatic camera, an eight meter resolution multi-spectral camera and a 16 meter resolution wide-angle multi-spectral camera. Gaofen-7 will be launched in 2018 with a hyper-spectral stereographic cartography camera."

 

[j20blackdragon]

I recommend using the DF-21D (or any missile really) in a preemptive, Pearl Harbor style attack on the rather small number of US Naval Bases in East Asia.

If you don't know where they are, here is a map.

Good luck traversing distances like these with no naval bases.

Nimitz carriers and submarines are indeed nuclear, but the Arleigh Burkes and Ticonderogas are not.

Are you going to send in carriers with no escort ships to try to fight China?

 

[Paludism]

Your choice: Believe Admiral Willard and the Pentagon's top intelligence officer or kooky Gambit

I don't know what word game that you (Gambit) are playing, but I'm not aware of a stage beyond deployment. I don't like it when you make up your own definition for "deployment."

That cracked me up lol...