China renames a river because it sounds Arabic

[TheNoob]

You know I'm really holding back my tongue on this forum lately just to gain better manners. But scum like you are making it really hard.

What are you trying to gain by making such comments about the Prophet (pbuh) or the sahaba (ra)? Do you want people to further hate you here? @Dubious

Reclaiming their culture from what? The communist party themselves destroyed great chunks of it during Mao's error. I don't call them a cultureless people because they have no history, I call them cultureless people because their rulers have actually destroyed big chunks of their culture. This is documented fact. They even wear western suits in political meet up place and have western originating ideologies and yet they get offended by a river which has an arabic name.

1. I'm sorry, what?
It is YOU who made that assumption, because what he pointed at was the warlord/feudal/padri culture that has dominated the middle eastern mindset since a long time, and it felled many empires, might I add, Islamic.
The division is from within, not from outside.

2. Is this you what you've come to parroting after coming across many anti-china articles and news from the west and its allies?
DO NOT deny this, because if it wasn't for them to set up the basis for the "EVIL CHINA" persona, you wouldn't believe all this anti-muslim thing in China.

Culture in China is huge, but of course, you can not know that from the position of your home in a country far-away from the land you so readily accuse of... anything that the west says. (Irrespective of country/religion).

The food culture in China has never changed a bit.
The philosophical culture in China hasn't changed.
The education culture hasn't changed.
The architectural culture hasn't changed.

Infact, past empires that laid her hands on China ended up being absorbed by its mighty culture.
Not only that, the chinese cultural influence spans across whole of East Asia.

Not only that, you accuse them of "wearing" different clothes than what you "perceive" to form a culture in China.
This is the age of information.
Many mindsets will get influenced by differing cultures now more than ever.
Even during the age of colonialism, China was gaining influence, albeit to a limited scale and never succeeding on a greater one.

Japan is different, Malaysia is different, Vietnam is different, Burma is different.
Do you really want them to be waging wars amongst themselves and going at each others throat because that was part of their culture at some point?

So, Where do you get this "muh evil communist" mindset from?
Why is it limited to China, but not to the greater asian territories?

What do you know?

Oh! I know, try having a meet-up in your company wearing only a dhoti and nothing else.
Cultural power!

 

[nang2]

Islam is Islam. There is no Indian Islam, Indonesian Islam, Pakistani Islam, Somali Islam, etc.

Muslims should follow the path of the pious predecessors.

Sure. But they don't have to speak the same language, do they?

 

[8888888888888]

There is Shia and sunni Islam and they are attacking each other over it.

 

[vi-va]

China’s cities are just carbon copies of Western cities. The ladies are in shorts & t-shirts, the men are in suits. Mcdonalds is booming and traditional eating is in decline among the young. Even look at a Chinese wedding, they are just like in the West with suits & brides in white gowns. What exactly is Chinese culture today? I don’t mean to offend our Chinese friends but there is a point.

You have a point, to some extent I agree with you and that's the problem we Chinese are facing.

But on the other hand, you can't judge a book by the cover, do you agree with me also?

Chinese traditional value is coming back, faster than people think. The west influence is there and some of them has been absorbed into China culture.

Most importantly, Chinese civilization is recovering, we have enough time and hold our destiny in Chinese hands.

Most countries in the world are either vassal state, or failed states. Such as European countries although they are not poor at all, or many sub-Sahara countries, or Central America countries.

China can hold and resist foreign pressure, not many countries can do that. Even India sanctioned Iran following US commands.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

Sure. But they don't have to speak the same language, do they?

If you spit on someone's face, does it actually cause physical injury? I mean it doesn't actually cause bleeding or anything like that- yet it's quite likely that such an act will provoke violence (btw I'm not advocating violence here).

The issue is actually not the spitting on their face itself- it is perceived as an affront to the person's honor.

If you actually want to take down an opponent in a physical confrontation, you don't spit on them.

It is a symbolic gesture. It is the same, according to the article, with the river name-change.

It is not the river name itself that is significant, it is what the change is alleged to signify- a push to erase Islam within China. The river name is a small thing but the larger campaign against Islam is a very serious thing. Islam is international by its very nature so any attack on Muslims and Islam is inviting an international response. I don't believe in national sovereignty, I believe that sovereignty belongs to Allah and that this sovereignty extends throughout all countries and worlds. Rhetoric based in appeals to "national sovereignty" might be somewhat efficacious in responding to US imperialism, which doesn't really have a sanction based in any sort of theological root (I guess unless we consider Satanism a theology....) but such arguments don't move me.

 

[Ultima Thule]

If you spit on someone's face, does it actually cause physical injury? I mean it doesn't actually cause bleeding or anything like that- yet it's quite likely that such an act will provoke violence (btw I'm not advocating violence here).

The issue is actually not the spitting on their face itself- it is perceived as an affront to the person's honor.

If you actually want to take down an opponent in a physical confrontation, you don't spit on them.

It is a symbolic gesture. It is the same, according to the article, with the river name-change.

It is not the river name itself that is significant, it is what the change is alleged to signify- a push to erase Islam within China. The river name is a small thing but the larger campaign against Islam is a very serious thing. Islam is international by its very nature so any attack on Muslims and Islam is inviting an international response. I don't believe in national sovereignty, I believe that sovereignty belongs to Allah and that this sovereignty extends throughout all countries and worlds. Rhetoric based in appeals to "national sovereignty" might be somewhat efficacious in responding to US imperialism, which doesn't really have a sanction based in any sort of theological root (I guess unless we consider Satanism a theology....) but such arguments don't move me.

Its minor problem we also change lots of river names/city names, it their rights to change name anything of their country, you're becoming overemotional @Omar Al-Deek

 

[Beast]

If you spit on someone's face, does it actually cause physical injury? I mean it doesn't actually cause bleeding or anything like that- yet it's quite likely that such an act will provoke violence (btw I'm not advocating violence here).

The issue is actually not the spitting on their face itself- it is perceived as an affront to the person's honor.

If you actually want to take down an opponent in a physical confrontation, you don't spit on them.

It is a symbolic gesture. It is the same, according to the article, with the river name-change.

It is not the river name itself that is significant, it is what the change is alleged to signify- a push to erase Islam within China. The river name is a small thing but the larger campaign against Islam is a very serious thing. Islam is international by its very nature so any attack on Muslims and Islam is inviting an international response. I don't believe in national sovereignty, I believe that sovereignty belongs to Allah and that this sovereignty extends throughout all countries and worlds. Rhetoric based in appeals to "national sovereignty" might be somewhat efficacious in responding to US imperialism, which doesn't really have a sanction based in any sort of theological root (I guess unless we consider Satanism a theology....) but such arguments don't move me.

Erase Islam, so if Islam can erase Chinese culture? The river is in China. China has the right to name what Chinese deem. Haters gonna be haters. fancy such name issue can be raise as a hate crime by you all.

I guess constantinople shall not be named as Istanbul. Since based on your theory, but I have no problem Turkish name it's as Istanbul since they conquer it.

 

[Indos]

There is Shia and sunni Islam and they are attacking each other over it.

No, only minority who is doing that, and Sunni Islam is 90 percent of Muslim. We worship the same God, read the same holly book, and believe that Muhammad is the last prophet.

Our differences is not big, not like Hindus who worship different Gods and Christian who are different in believing Jesus (Trinity belief that Jesus is God and Arianism who dont believe that Jesus is God)

 

[haidian]

Is communism/socialism or even capitalism Chinese? Clothes worn in China today... are those Chinese? Architecture in China, is that chinese? The language still, yes ... but Chinese are only fooling themselves thinking that they're continuation of the same civilization.... which Chinese media so assiduously tries to portray. Mao destroyed old China and it only survived that earlier onslaught due to deep structural changes and reform in economic matters. Which have become both a boon for it's people in lifting them from poverty while simultaneously putting them in bondage for thw rest of their lives. China survived droughts but let's see how it survives what they have woven around themselves now!

China changed their dressing style in every dynasty, that's why by looking at what people wear you can instantly tell which part of history a movie or a TV drama was made about, clothing is just a small part of customs which change from time to time, East Asians changed some part of elements in our old cultures to better suit the process of modernization, we did adopt western calender, metric system, Arabic numbers...but they didn't mean we give up the Chinese culture, China is a country who preserved our culture very nice through out our ancient history, What kind of culture US has? How about Pakistan? This current culture was also adopted by Islamic spread, it's basically Arabic culture in many aspects like writing and philosophy.

Successful nations in the world history are always those who are quick to learn and adjust.If something is good for our development and advance, we don't care where they are from.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

Its minor problem we also change lots of river names/city names, it their rights to change name anything of their country, you're becoming overemotional @Omar Al-Deek

I don't think I'm becoming over emotional.... emotion wasn't really on my mind, I just happened to see a news article and I posted it

Erase Islam, so if Islam can erase Chinese culture? The river is in China. China has the right to name what Chinese deem. Haters gonna be haters. fancy such name issue can be raise as a hate crime by you all.

I guess constantinople shall not be named as Istanbul. Since based on your theory, but I have no problem Turkish name it's as Istanbul since they conquer it.

How much of China's population is Muslim? I googled it and it seems it's less than 2 percent. If Muslims comprising 1.8 percent of the population manage to conquer 98.2 percent of the population, than those Muslims appear to be some sort of super-humans and I think they should be allowed to rule. I mean.... that would be pretty impressive to see that. Maybe it would be "mandate of heaven" (if we take "mandate of heaven" as a way of referring to God's will, of course).

 

[Ultima Thule]

I don't think I'm becoming over emotional.... emotion wasn't really on my mind, I just happened to see a news article and I posted it



How much of China's population is Muslim? I googled it and it seems it's less than 2 percent. If Muslims comprising 1.8 percent of the population manage to conquer 98.2 percent of the population, than those Muslims appear to be some sort of super-beings and I think they should be allowed to rule. I mean.... that would be pretty impressive to see that. Maybe it would be "mandate of heaven" (if we take "mandate of heaven" as a way of referring to God's will, of course).

And why do you blame on China they eliminating Arabic of their rivers, its their right to change whatever they, Our country (Pakistan) also changes name of Hindu/British origins @Omar Al-Deek

 

[Indos]

I don't think I'm becoming over emotional.... emotion wasn't really on my mind, I just happened to see a news article and I posted it

China is still using Arabic script in Xin Jiang though. I watch Chinese Subway video in Xin Jiang posted by Chinese member in PDF. Arabic script is still used along with Chinese script.

Talking about the topic. Actually the name of street, river etc should be preserved as it is part of history, there is a news in Jakarta some years ago about Jakarta governor plan to change one of the street name in Jakarta but there is opposition coming from Historian.

 

[haidian]

Every thing, big or small, happens in China would immediately become a sensational global matter, even for a name changing of a street, river or a town, do you ever stop to think who are so hell bent to go after every tiny thing that could possibly put China in a bad light, is this really worth reporting? and who reported it

China is still using Arabic script in Xin Jiang though. I watch Chinese Subway video in Xin Jiang posted by Chinese member in PDF. Arabic script is still used along with Chinese script.

Talking about the topic. Actually the name of street, river etc should be preserved as it is part of history, there is a news in Jakarta some years ago about Jakarta governor plan to change one of the street name in Jakarta but there is opposition coming from Historian.

Yes, most are everywhere, in China its the same, but some name changing happens, the government changed names of several streets where I live around in the last two decades but true locals like us still use old names when talking about them, but all the bus stop signs changed those old names into current ones.

 

[OIO]

Even the CCP has formally accepted that cultural revolution was a bad thing and was a failure, but you seem to keep insisting that.

Your statement could also be modified and written as:

Without Mao's cultural revolution, China would be another South Korea/Taiwan or even better!

big country is different with small country/area, it's very hard to change a big country, before industrialization we don't know which part of culture we should give up, so we gave up too much, but after industrialization we can revive the traditional culture.

Is communism/socialism or even capitalism Chinese? Clothes worn in China today... are those Chinese? Architecture in China, is that chinese? The language still, yes ... but Chinese are only fooling themselves thinking that they're continuation of the same civilization.... which Chinese media so assiduously tries to portray. Mao destroyed old China and it only survived that earlier onslaught due to deep structural changes and reform in economic matters. Which have become both a boon for it's people in lifting them from poverty while simultaneously putting them in bondage for thw rest of their lives. China survived droughts but let's see how it survives what they have woven around themselves now!

You can make your decision what to accept and not, I'm OK.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

And why do you blame on China they eliminating Arabic of their rivers, its their right to change whatever they, Our country (Pakistan) also changes name of Hindu/British origins @Omar Al-Deek

honestly, all I did was repost a news article and express a dislike of Communism.....

is China really putting Muslims in concentration camps and is changing the river name part of a larger push against Islam?

look, I would love for you or for someone to show me that the concentration camps are just a lie made-up by Western imperialist propaganda....

I don't think I've definitively come out and really stated a definitive position on China.... I mean I am anti-Communism but I would seriously love for people to show me that what I'm being told is false and that China is not targeting Muslims and that Muslims aren't being thrown in concentration camps

if it's all a lie and Muslims are not being put into camps.... Alhamdulilaah!

however, if it's not a lie and if there is a push against Islam within China..... and if my brothers really are being put into camps...... then how can I not be bothered?

should we only support Muslims being oppressed by Westerners? rather than look at whether Muslims are being oppressed or not- we need to step back and figure out if the oppressors are Westerners and we only are concerned if the oppressor is a Westerner?

if Muslims are being put into camps..... can you imagine the reaction if the US or Europe was doing the same thing on such a scale (yes, I know there's Guantanamo but that is on a much smaller scale if I understand correctly and more for very specific individuals)?

are we being fair and objective or are we so biased against the West that we only attack injustice when it's committed by the West?

is it not true that one of the biggest killers of Muslims was Genghis Khan? so if we were alive in the time of Genghis Khan we would sit back and ignore the actions of Genghis Khan because he's not white?

look man, I'm against US imperialism...... and it's because I'm against US imperialism that I think we need to be objective..... if we're not objective then it makes the whole cause of anti-imperialism look bad and undermines that cause.... kind of like how yelling "racism" when it isn't actually "racism" undermines the efforts of confronting actual racism.....

anyways, are the Muslim camps and larger push against Islam a real thing or just a lie?

China is still using Arabic script in Xin Jiang though. I watch Chinese Subway video in Xin Jiang posted by Chinese member in PDF. Arabic script is still used along with Chinese script.

Talking about the topic. Actually the name of street, river etc should be preserved as it is part of history, there is a news in Jakarta some years ago about Jakarta governor plan to change one of the street name in Jakarta but there is opposition coming from Historian.

I went to a Quran study with a bunch of Indonesians once.... everyone in the group was Indonesian except for me...... I was the only non-Indonesian....... and I had a great time!

they were really wonderful people and in my experience Indonesians are wonderful people......

I've never been to Asia and so maybe you would know more than I do..... is it actually true that Muslims in China are being put into camps? and for what are being put into camps? if you know about what's going on..... I ask because you're a little closer so maybe you might know more.......

the street name I don't really care about but I am only concerned about it insofar as it's part of a larger push against Islam within China.... if that is indeed so