China refuses talks with India,What's next?

[ChennaiDude]

Sure if they don't want separate nations, they can all hang out together. No problems.

But don't make assumptions for Indian Muslims. They will accept ZERO interference in their way of life by the Indian state machinery.

With BJP, India is sitting on a tinderbox. They have already pushed Muslims to a corner. Anything further may have catastrophic consequences for the very existence of India.

They are hanging out together-no worries there as well.

I have many Indian friends who by the way happen to follow the religion of Islam and are quite close to me.
They also hate the BJP government and rightly so. Sometimes I used to feel that they are more patriotic than even me at times and was like chill man. So unfortunately when I think about it deeper-Not once did we discuss religion or anything of that sort- For us religion is for us to follow and the relationship is personal between me and GOD.

 

[HalfMoon]

And who is going to secure everyone's right? Also which nation as an example do you think you want to be if given an opportunity to break away?- lets see what options/opinions you have here.

We want to be part of Pakistan.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It means war!! Whether it'll be bloody or bloodless that's to be seen....

 

[ChennaiDude]

We are just loyal to our religion.

I did not know religion or GOD demanded loyalty?-But on the contrary your country demands your loyalty and a nation never asks, just an FYI- Either you are loyal or you are not no in bet weens.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

They are hanging out together-no worries there as well.

I have many Indian friends who by the way happen to follow the religion of Islam and are quite close to me.
They also hate the BJP government and rightly so. Sometimes I used to feel that they are more patriotic than even me at times and was like chill man. So unfortunately when I think about it deeper-Not once did we discuss religion or anything of that sort- For us religion is for us to follow and the relationship is personal between me and GOD.

Look I get it. You're a secular fellow. I used to be like you once upon a time. It's only when I studied these issues further did I realize that the discrimination against Muslims, Dalits, and women in India are the biggest issues. They are even more important than the nation itself.

Maybe one day you will realize my position. Maybe you won't. We can still deal with each other as long as you're not with the genocidal RSS fanatics.

 

[ChennaiDude]

We want to be part of Pakistan.

Thats your choice- write to the honorable PM of Pakistan!- You are free to leave, provided Pakistan wants you though- The Land in India stays Indian.

 

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Fake news, India postponed the talks!

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Thats your choice- write to the honorable PM of Pakistan!- You are free to leave, provided Pakistan wants you though- The Land in India stays Indian.

He means another Pakistan should be created from within Indian territory. And I am with him there completely.

If you want to prevent that, secure his rights and happiness in a secular India. The onus is on the Indian state to earn his trust that was broken many times.

 

[ChennaiDude]

The concept of a nation-state itself is a modern invention. At the most, 17th century. India as a nation state is no older than 70 years. Singapore, 55 years. The allegiance to a nation state as a concept itself is a weak one to begin with. Most people have greater allegiance to their immediate community, language, or religion.

In my opinion, India can continue to exist as a loose federation of separate nations. Similar to the European Union.

What are you even taking about- Everyhing in life evolves and so do humans. Even today I get goosebumps when I hear the Indian national Anthem- It took be 10 years to give up my Indian passport, even though I was eligible for one in 5 years time after getting my GC- (That was one of the toughest decisions of my life). To me India is region and a country and an ethnicity.

 

[HalfMoon]

I did not know religion or GOD demanded loyalty?-But on the contrary your country demands your loyalty and a nation never asks, just an FYI- Either you are loyal or you are not no in bet weens.

Now a Kaffar like you will teach religion to us Muslims?

 

[Shantanu_Left]

What are you even taking about- Everyhing in life evolves and so do humans. Even today I get goosebumps when I hear the Indian national Anthem- It took be 10 years to give up my Indian passport, even though I was eligible for one in 5 years time after getting my GC- (That was one of the toughest decisions of my life). To me India is region and a country and an ethnicity.

It's one thing to feel a connection to India, the land. It's another thing to support a majoritarian state that abuses its minorities with Western countries turning a blind eye because they have their own strategic interests.

National anthem and stuff like that means nothing to me. I only care about the rights of all human beings. I can sacrifice a thousand nations to secure the rights of just ONE person. That's the Gandhian thinking. As I said, you should read up more on him. You're not very well-informed about M.K. Gandhi.,

Now a Kaffar like you will teach religion to us Muslims?

It's not the Islamic way to abuse others. Let's hear his views and disagree peacefully.

 

[ChennaiDude]

He means another Pakistan should be created from within Indian territory. And I am with him there completely.

If you want to prevent that, secure his rights and happiness in a secular India. The onus is on the Indian state to earn his trust that was broken many times.

Another Pakistan is never going to happen maybe if there was a world war -3 But I would prefer not to live in a nuclear wasteland, but off course there is one such country already ready to move to though!-I know you are completely with him on this, but are you sure you will leave Singapore to go to Pakistan?

Yes India/Indians have to protect and stand up for their minorities there is no other way. Hopefully a united India evolves into a nation where religion is not defining it and religion/religions are kept at home and made personal- UCC is the way to go.

Now a Kaffar like you will teach religion to us Muslims?

Yes- Why not- You are not a super being- I would also want you non Idol worshiper to teach me something with substance as well- If at all possible. Trust me I am a good listener.

 

[HalfMoon]

Thats your choice- write to the honorable PM of Pakistan!- You are free to leave, provided Pakistan wants you though- The Land in India stays Indian.

We will make another dozen Pakistans out of India.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Yes India/Indians have to protect and stand up for their minorities there is no other way. Hopefully a united India evolves into a nation where religion is not defining it and religion/religions are kept at home and made personal- UCC is the way to go.


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As a secular person, I absolutely support those lines. Except for the UCC part. Religion should not define a nation. But the State should not be interfering in a citizen's religion. Unfortunately that is what Uniform Civil Code does.

If there's going to be anything of that sort enforced in India, then you and I have a major problem. There will be bloodbath on the streets if needed.

 

[ChennaiDude]

Look I get it. You're a secular fellow. I used to be like you once upon a time. It's only when I studied these issues further did I realize that the discrimination against Muslims, Dalits, and women in India are the biggest issues. They are even more important than the nation itself.

Maybe one day you will realize my position. Maybe you won't. We can still deal with each other as long as you're not with the genocidal RSS fanatics.

Both of us are going to be judged and let God decide that- He/she put us on Earth for a reason gave us both brains- There is a reason the higher power that might be has given his children many religions- I am sure he just wants us to be good humans first- Lets see.