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China produces 15 times the number of STEM graduates than the US. How does the US keep its edge in science and technology?

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China produces 15 times the number of STEM graduates than the US. How does the US keep its edge in science and technology?
The truth is that the US cannot keep up. It’s STEM graduate numbers are far lower than those in China but it isn’t just the number of STEM graduates that a nation has it is also the quality of the institution they attend and their personal ability.
But, as we all know intelligence is a significant factor and IQ is also a measure of intelligence.
Here is a table of the top 25 nations by IQ.
Please check the middle column.
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Singapore 1st
China 2nd
Hong Kong 3rd
Taiwan + South Korea 4th
Japan 6th
Finland 7th
The first Caucasian nation on the list is Finland which comes in 7th and the ones before Finland are all in Asia. The US is 28th on the list.
That should tell all of us something.
 
If Singapore is smartest with No 1 in the IQ tests...
Israel is the dumbest at No 41 in IQ tests!!...:azn::azn:...

I always wondered why this man needed to draw a bomb!..lol
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They said on CNN a while back, where Chinese average student wants to be rocket scientist OR go do Space Exploration,
WHERE AS
average American student wants to be Youtuber !

Thats the difference .. LoL
 
They said on CNN a while back, where Chinese average student wants to be rocket scientist OR go do Space Exploration,
WHERE AS
average American student wants to be Youtuber !

Thats the difference .. LoL
People simply pursuit something that could potentially improve their life qualities. Average Chinese students want to be rocket scientists not because they like science or rocket. Mostly they pursuit that kind of careers because that is where the money is. Chinese students simply cannot afford to be some youtubers while American students have that luxury. Economical development is a great equalizer. Let the rich squander their rich and let the poor accumulate it. Amen. :)
 
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They said on CNN a while back, where Chinese average student wants to be rocket scientist OR go do Space Exploration,
WHERE AS
average American student wants to be Youtuber !

Thats the difference .. LoL

Sadly we have the same BS in the UK now. Social media has led to the mental degradation of younger people.
 
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They still have the lead because of better environment for businesses to thrive. Smart immigrants come here because they have a better success in a free market without many regulations and good patent laws.
 

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Lance Chambers

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China produces 15 times the number of STEM graduates than the US. How does the US keep its edge in science and technology?
The truth is that the US cannot keep up. It’s STEM graduate numbers are far lower than those in China but it isn’t just the number of STEM graduates that a nation has it is also the quality of the institution they attend and their personal ability.
But, as we all know intelligence is a significant factor and IQ is also a measure of intelligence.
Here is a table of the top 25 nations by IQ.
Please check the middle column.
main-qimg-eb901815483f2af24236535ce664dd84

Singapore 1st
China 2nd
Hong Kong 3rd
Taiwan + South Korea 4th
Japan 6th
Finland 7th
The first Caucasian nation on the list is Finland which comes in 7th and the ones before Finland are all in Asia. The US is 28th on the list.
That should tell all of us something.
well the fact is that the u.s. DOESN'T have an edge is science & technology; it hasn't had an edge in a long time. you can see that in basically every field.
 
They still have the lead because of better environment for businesses to thrive. Smart immigrants come here because they have a better success in a free market without many regulations and good patent laws.
You are on the right path and am going to expand the highway.

Using the sports analogy for now. Not like double tennis or any sports with just a paired team, but look at the US like hockey, basketball, or soccer, for example, where the geography is large which requires multi-positions players, and they all must interact (teamwork) to win. If we take any individual player, even superstars like O'Neal or Ronaldo or Gretzky, we will find that he excels at some tasks/skills, mediocre at some, or even poor at some. This is where the coach and manager comes in. In a team, players complement and supplement each other. In the NBA, many superstars paid their respects to the passers, who are generally lesser known than the superstars, but without these individuals, there would be no superstars. It the job of the coaches and managers to figure out the best combinations and let the team go.

A country is very similar. Economics is one player/position. Education is another. Bureaucracy, Infrastructure, Law, Geography, Institutions, People, Culture, Entertainment, and the list is long.

If you want to learn how to sail, you do not go to landlocked Mongolia.

If you want to learn how to sail in open water, you do not go to a country where there are only rivers.

If you want a career in minerals, such as mining, you do not go to the Principality of Monaco.

You get the idea...

If you (not YOU personally) are openly gay and you want to start a business specializing in gay oriented products and services, that limit you to all First tier countries, which the US is a member, Second tier like the EU, maybe some in Eastern Europe, and definitely not the Middle East.:frown:

A country may be high in natural resources but also high in Bureaucracy. Or high in Finance but low trust, re: Corruption.

If you take any individual player from the US, you will find some other countries whose players in the same positions are better. But the point is that somehow the players in the US team managed to work together best. If you want finance, go to New York. Mines? Nevada. Ranch/Farming? Texas. Technology? California. Of course, for each field/specialty, there are more than just one state whose environment are favorable to that field/specialty. Am just simplifying for the sake of visualization.

Then there is arable land. The US and India are nearly identical in arable land and agricultural products/exports. Both countries are at the top.

Emigration is %99 a one-time deal, meaning you uproot yourself, and maybe your family, just once. So you better pick your destination carefully. Somehow, the US is most favored. The US do not need to attract the brightest, only the most willing to work hard and our political/social environment let you enjoy the fruits of your labor. You make Widget A, and someone in China make Widget B that is better than yours. But you get to make more money in shorter time because there is less bureaucracy and corruption, and better IP protection, so where are you going to be? You go to any First tier country and you will find someone made something better than the US version, but somehow the creator do not benefit from his ideas as much if he is in the US. And because you get your version out faster, others can build upon it, and pay your royalties, your Widget got improved and more famous, and it builds on from there.

The US do not have to excel individually in order to beat everyone else as a team.
 
You are on the right path and am going to expand the highway.

Using the sports analogy for now. Not like double tennis or any sports with just a paired team, but look at the US like hockey, basketball, or soccer, for example, where the geography is large which requires multi-positions players, and they all must interact (teamwork) to win. If we take any individual player, even superstars like O'Neal or Ronaldo or Gretzky, we will find that he excels at some tasks/skills, mediocre at some, or even poor at some. This is where the coach and manager comes in. In a team, players complement and supplement each other. In the NBA, many superstars paid their respects to the passers, who are generally lesser known than the superstars, but without these individuals, there would be no superstars. It the job of the coaches and managers to figure out the best combinations and let the team go.

A country is very similar. Economics is one player/position. Education is another. Bureaucracy, Infrastructure, Law, Geography, Institutions, People, Culture, Entertainment, and the list is long.

If you want to learn how to sail, you do not go to landlocked Mongolia.

If you want to learn how to sail in open water, you do not go to a country where there are only rivers.

If you want a career in minerals, such as mining, you do not go to the Principality of Monaco.

You get the idea...

If you (not YOU personally) are openly gay and you want to start a business specializing in gay oriented products and services, that limit you to all First tier countries, which the US is a member, Second tier like the EU, maybe some in Eastern Europe, and definitely not the Middle East.:frown:

A country may be high in natural resources but also high in Bureaucracy. Or high in Finance but low trust, re: Corruption.

If you take any individual player from the US, you will find some other countries whose players in the same positions are better. But the point is that somehow the players in the US team managed to work together best. If you want finance, go to New York. Mines? Nevada. Ranch/Farming? Texas. Technology? California. Of course, for each field/specialty, there are more than just one state whose environment are favorable to that field/specialty. Am just simplifying for the sake of visualization.

Then there is arable land. The US and India are nearly identical in arable land and agricultural products/exports. Both countries are at the top.

Emigration is %99 a one-time deal, meaning you uproot yourself, and maybe your family, just once. So you better pick your destination carefully. Somehow, the US is most favored. The US do not need to attract the brightest, only the most willing to work hard and our political/social environment let you enjoy the fruits of your labor. You make Widget A, and someone in China make Widget B that is better than yours. But you get to make more money in shorter time because there is less bureaucracy and corruption, and better IP protection, so where are you going to be? You go to any First tier country and you will find someone made something better than the US version, but somehow the creator do not benefit from his ideas as much if he is in the US. And because you get your version out faster, others can build upon it, and pay your royalties, your Widget got improved and more famous, and it builds on from there.

The US do not have to excel individually in order to beat everyone else as a team.

the network effect works in China too. China is as big as all of North America from the Mexican border to Edmonton. Any opportunity that exists in the US also exists in China except political lobbyist, drug dealer, etc. Unfortunately for those 'career paths' China is a dead end.

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The one thing you cannot do in the US is slack off even the tiniest bit. Everyone in the US is forced to work hard because not doing so leads to lack of insurance, followed by illness, homelessness and death thanks to the ridiculous costs of education, housing and medical care. Education is in shambles, insurance is highly tied to employment and the bottom of society such as food delivery drivers have essentially no rights.

In China you have the unique right to simply quit life and lie flat. While previously unsupported by the government, there is now a movement towards this - officially, such as banning cram schools and giving food delivery drivers full worker's rights.
 
The one thing you cannot do in the US is slack off even the tiniest bit. Everyone in the US is forced to work hard because not doing so leads to lack of insurance, followed by illness, homelessness and death thanks to the ridiculous costs of education, housing and medical care. Education is in shambles, insurance is highly tied to employment and the bottom of society such as food delivery drivers have essentially no rights.

In China you have the unique right to simply quit life and lie flat. While previously unsupported by the government, there is now a movement towards this - officially, such as banning cram schools and giving food delivery drivers full worker's rights.
Let US know when China's embassies are filled with petitioners desperate to get to that 'good life'. But wait...China does not have an immigration policy.

So now, China is waiting for the 600 million seniors...
 
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