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China pledges to help rebuild Afghanistan and, while blaming US for chaos, insists it pays too
Published: 12:00pm, 31 Aug, 2021

China has pledged to help reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan after American troops have completely withdrawn, but demands that Washington also pay its share.

In a sign that tensions between the two rivals will persist, the Chinese foreign ministry issued its criticism and demands for the United States on Tuesday, following Washington’s announcement that its mission in the Central Asian nation had ended.

The development marked a new start in Afghanistan for peace and development, but the US must reflect on its failure, ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said in a press conference.

“The US started the war on Afghanistan and this is the reason for public livelihood and economic difficulty in the nation. The US has to take up responsibility and cannot just leave the chaos behind,” Wang said. “The US has to work with the international community to provide economic and humanitarian assistance to Afghanistan, maintain the normal operations of the government, maintain social stability, stop the currency depreciation and inflation, and let Afghanistan go on the path of peace,” he said. “China will support the peaceful reconstruction of Afghanistan on the basis of respecting the wishes and demands of Afghanistan.”

The US had to learn that military intervention would only lead to failure and that China supported the building up of an inclusive government in Afghanistan that cut off ties with terrorist forces, he added.

Hours before Washington’s announcement, China’s deputy permanent representative to the United Nations Geng Shuang called for an investigation into the killing of civilians by US-led forces in Afghanistan over the past two decades.

Geng made his remarks ahead of the US announcement that its exit was complete, as the Security Council passed a resolution calling for the Taliban to facilitate safe passage for people wanting to leave Afghanistan, and to allow humanitarian access to the country, as well as to uphold human rights.

China and Russia abstained, with Russia saying the resolution failed to address terrorist organisations such as Islamic State and the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), which Beijing has blamed for attacks in Xinjiang.


Geng said the chaos in Afghanistan was directly related to the hasty withdrawal of foreign troops. “We hope that relevant countries will realise that withdrawal is not the end of responsibility, but the beginning of reflection and correction,” he said.

“The actions of foreign troops in Afghanistan in the past 20 years, including the criminal activities carried out by the United States and Australian forces for the indiscriminate killing of civilians, must not be wiped out and must continue to be investigated. The United States’ recent retaliatory attack on Islamic State caused casualties of innocent civilians. We call on the United States to refrain from indiscriminately bombing the civilian populated areas in Afghanistan.”

Geng’s criticisms came just hours before the US announcement that its military withdrawal had been completed, marking the end of a 20-year mission sparked by the September 11 terror attack.

Marine Corps General Frank McKenzie, head of US Central Command, said in a Pentagon news briefing that the last troops – sent to evacuate Americans and Afghans at risk following the Taliban’s return to power – flew from Hamid Karzai international airport on a C-17 transport plane. Ross Wilson, the US chief envoy to Afghanistan, was also on the flight.


While the Taliban said the moment marked a “free and independent” Afghanistan, many have questioned whether the group will be able to stabilise the country while keeping terrorist outfits such as Isis from using the nation as a base, especially after it claimed responsibility for last week’s suicide bombings which killed 13 US military and 170 Afghans.

“This terrorist attack in Kabul once again proved that the war in Afghanistan did not achieve the goal of eliminating terrorist groups in Afghanistan. The hasty withdrawal of foreign troops is likely to have provided opportunities for various terrorist organisations to make a comeback,” Geng said.

“Afghanistan must never again become the birthplace for terrorism or the base for terrorists. This is the bottom line that Afghanistan must adhere to in any future political settlement. It is hoped that the Taliban will honestly fulfil their commitments and completely cut off ties with all terrorist organisations.”


Beijing was among the first in the international community to establish communications with the Taliban. Weeks before the group’s return to Kabul, it was invited to send a high-level delegation to Tianjin for a meeting with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in July.

Beijing has not officially recognised the Taliban, but it has opposed imposing sanctions on the group and described the chaos in Afghanistan as a failure of US policies.

“It is hoped that relevant countries will effectively change the wrong practice of imposing their own models on others, and change the hegemonic practice of imposing sanctions or even using force at every turn. These countries should be responsible for what they have done in the past 20 years, and fulfil their commitments towards the peaceful rebuilding of Afghanistan,” Geng said.

Chinese observers said China and the US could work together to support the Taliban and deter extremism in the militant group, but their differences over Xinjiang are a hurdle. The US has condemned China for alleged human rights abuses in Xinjiang and removed ETIM from its terror group list, triggering strong rebukes from Beijing.

China to support Taliban in Afghanistan, but demands end to ETIM ties
Sun Xingjie, an international relations professor at Jilin University, said the reconstruction effort in Afghanistan required cooperation among the major nations, including China, the US and Russia. “Cooperation is needed for tasks like cracking down on drug trafficking,” he said.

Song Luzheng, an international relations researcher at Shanghai’s Fudan University, said China’s stance would not affect its cooperation with the US on Afghanistan issues.

“The diplomatic criticism is only rhetoric targeting the domestic audience and the international community. When it comes to cooperation with the US, the key is China’s action, not its words. China can use helping the US ease the Afghan crisis as leverage for a return from the US,” he said.

“China hopes the US will invest more resources in Afghanistan, so that it will have less energy to confront China.”

 
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China pledges to help rebuild Afghanistan and, while blaming US for chaos, insists it pays too
Published: 12:00pm, 31 Aug, 2021

China has pledged to help reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan after American troops have completely withdrawn, but demands that Washington also pay its share.

In a sign that tensions between the two rivals will persist, the Chinese foreign ministry issued its criticism and demands for the United States on Tuesday, following Washington’s announcement that its mission in the Central Asian nation had ended.

The development marked a new start in Afghanistan for peace and development, but the US must reflect on its failure, ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said in a press conference.

“The US started the war on Afghanistan and this is the reason for public livelihood and economic difficulty in the nation. The US has to take up responsibility and cannot just leave the chaos behind,” Wang said. “The US has to work with the international community to provide economic and humanitarian assistance to Afghanistan, maintain the normal operations of the government, maintain social stability, stop the currency depreciation and inflation, and let Afghanistan go on the path of peace,” he said. “China will support the peaceful reconstruction of Afghanistan on the basis of respecting the wishes and demands of Afghanistan.”

The US had to learn that military intervention would only lead to failure and that China supported the building up of an inclusive government in Afghanistan that cut off ties with terrorist forces, he added.

Hours before Washington’s announcement, China’s deputy permanent representative to the United Nations Geng Shuang called for an investigation into the killing of civilians by US-led forces in Afghanistan over the past two decades.

Geng made his remarks ahead of the US announcement that its exit was complete, as the Security Council passed a resolution calling for the Taliban to facilitate safe passage for people wanting to leave Afghanistan, and to allow humanitarian access to the country, as well as to uphold human rights.

China and Russia abstained, with Russia saying the resolution failed to address terrorist organisations such as Islamic State and the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), which Beijing has blamed for attacks in Xinjiang.


Geng said the chaos in Afghanistan was directly related to the hasty withdrawal of foreign troops. “We hope that relevant countries will realise that withdrawal is not the end of responsibility, but the beginning of reflection and correction,” he said.

“The actions of foreign troops in Afghanistan in the past 20 years, including the criminal activities carried out by the United States and Australian forces for the indiscriminate killing of civilians, must not be wiped out and must continue to be investigated. The United States’ recent retaliatory attack on Islamic State caused casualties of innocent civilians. We call on the United States to refrain from indiscriminately bombing the civilian populated areas in Afghanistan.”

Geng’s criticisms came just hours before the US announcement that its military withdrawal had been completed, marking the end of a 20-year mission sparked by the September 11 terror attack.

Marine Corps General Frank McKenzie, head of US Central Command, said in a Pentagon news briefing that the last troops – sent to evacuate Americans and Afghans at risk following the Taliban’s return to power – flew from Hamid Karzai international airport on a C-17 transport plane. Ross Wilson, the US chief envoy to Afghanistan, was also on the flight.


While the Taliban said the moment marked a “free and independent” Afghanistan, many have questioned whether the group will be able to stabilise the country while keeping terrorist outfits such as Isis from using the nation as a base, especially after it claimed responsibility for last week’s suicide bombings which killed 13 US military and 170 Afghans.

“This terrorist attack in Kabul once again proved that the war in Afghanistan did not achieve the goal of eliminating terrorist groups in Afghanistan. The hasty withdrawal of foreign troops is likely to have provided opportunities for various terrorist organisations to make a comeback,” Geng said.

“Afghanistan must never again become the birthplace for terrorism or the base for terrorists. This is the bottom line that Afghanistan must adhere to in any future political settlement. It is hoped that the Taliban will honestly fulfil their commitments and completely cut off ties with all terrorist organisations.”


Beijing was among the first in the international community to establish communications with the Taliban. Weeks before the group’s return to Kabul, it was invited to send a high-level delegation to Tianjin for a meeting with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in July.

Beijing has not officially recognised the Taliban, but it has opposed imposing sanctions on the group and described the chaos in Afghanistan as a failure of US policies.

“It is hoped that relevant countries will effectively change the wrong practice of imposing their own models on others, and change the hegemonic practice of imposing sanctions or even using force at every turn. These countries should be responsible for what they have done in the past 20 years, and fulfil their commitments towards the peaceful rebuilding of Afghanistan,” Geng said.

Chinese observers said China and the US could work together to support the Taliban and deter extremism in the militant group, but their differences over Xinjiang are a hurdle. The US has condemned China for alleged human rights abuses in Xinjiang and removed ETIM from its terror group list, triggering strong rebukes from Beijing.

China to support Taliban in Afghanistan, but demands end to ETIM ties
Sun Xingjie, an international relations professor at Jilin University, said the reconstruction effort in Afghanistan required cooperation among the major nations, including China, the US and Russia. “Cooperation is needed for tasks like cracking down on drug trafficking,” he said.

Song Luzheng, an international relations researcher at Shanghai’s Fudan University, said China’s stance would not affect its cooperation with the US on Afghanistan issues.

“The diplomatic criticism is only rhetoric targeting the domestic audience and the international community. When it comes to cooperation with the US, the key is China’s action, not its words. China can use helping the US ease the Afghan crisis as leverage for a return from the US,” he said.

“China hopes the US will invest more resources in Afghanistan, so that it will have less energy to confront China.”

i agree with the Chinese on several of the details of what they're saying here.
for instance the need for the west (not just the US) to help the new Afghan government support it's people, but at the same time i think that this aid should be conditional on two things : that government actively and fully cooperating in anti-terrorism activities in their country, allowing even western drones to operate from Afghan airfields, and for that government to be open to all Afghans instead of just hawkish Taliban (as it is now).

if Muslims want civilian casualties due to drone strikes to end, the you should offer the west a realistic (set of) option(s) to kill terrorists, but not innocents near by those terrorists.

i came up with such an idea myself recently, it's simply to use a computer controlled very high resolution camera with facial recognition and a very accurate and long range sniper rifle mounted on a drone, instead of missiles.
and yes, i advertised this idea to western intel agencies, political parties and media companies.
but my point here is, dear fundamentalist muslims : help us get rid of terrorists, or you force us to defend ourselves in ways that unfortunately still create a lot of civilian casualties due to human error.

surely a group of rich muslims can be found who can help turn such ideas into facebook petition-signing ad campaigns.
coz... i'm telling you, you can defeat us and party but after a few years force us back into your lands because you don't help us defend ourselves from terrorists, or you can use your money and smarts wisely and get rid of the problem once and for all (although only gradually strengthening) by forcing our politicians, through our civilians which are best found via facebook or google ads, to evolve our military tech rather than perpetuating the cycle of the few making periodically lots and lots of money from the many deaths of those who died as collateral damage due to outdated weaponry being used.
 
These morons spent $2.6 trillion to destroy the country and still lost and yet wont spend 50 to 100 billion to rebuild it and truly help the ppl of Afghanistan.
 
These morons spent $2.6 trillion to destroy the country and still lost and yet wont spend 50 to 100 billion to rebuild it and truly help the ppl of Afghanistan.
they spent 2.6 trillion to get rid of international terrorists there, and they refuse to just hand over money blindly to those who fought them instead of helping them achieve that. they're not morons, they're right.
 
Those who fail to heed the lessons of history from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.
yeah, tell that to the Taliban.
i mean it, they're the only ones who can prevent reasons from arising that might force us back in there.
 
they spent 2.6 trillion to get rid of international terrorists there, and they refuse to just hand over money blindly to those who fought them instead of helping them achieve that. they're not morons, they're right.

You think the War on Terror was about fighting terrorism?

Boy, you are dumb.
 
oh do enlighten us all. what was it about then, in your opinion?
It was a money laundering scheme you idiot. Do you read anything besides your fucking neoliberal propaganda? More than 90% of the trillions spent went to military contractors who became rich from this never ending war. Look up why Assange is in jail.

I swear neoliberals are such tools.
 
It was a money laundering scheme you idiot. Do you read anything besides your fucking neoliberal propaganda? More than 90% of the trillions spent went to military contractors who became rich from this never ending war. Look up why Assange is in jail.

I swear neoliberals are such tools.
no, mr lying troll.

it was a very serious fight involving hundreds of thousands of ground troops (world-wide) and even more support troops back home. those people do have to get paid according to western standards.

wars have always been an expensive business, and yes, some of those at the top do make millions money during them.
several Afghan top people did too.

but the point here is : the main and stated objective (defeating international terrorism) was achieved.

now Muslims get a 2nd shot at keeping your countries clean from such filth.
i suggest they don't screw up, or we'll have to be back.
 
The costs of the war on terror after 9/11: $6 trillion and 900,000 deaths - Vox.com

Local : 2021-09-11(Saturday) 14:00:00
Found via nicer.app/news

Biden says al Qaeda may ‘come back’ in Afghanistan but withdrawal still right call
By
Sam Raskin
September 12, 2021 11:42am
Updated
President Biden visited Ground Zero, Shanksville, and the Pentagon in remembrance of those killed on September 11, 2021.
President Biden visited Ground Zero, Shanksville, and the Pentagon in remembrance of those killed on September 11, 2021.Noah Riffe/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images
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President Biden defended his decision to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan as he said it wasn’t feasible to “invade” every country where the Islamic militant group has a presence.
Biden made the comments while speaking in Shanksville, Pennsylvania Saturday on the 20th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
“Can al Qaeda come back? Yeah. But guess what? It’s already back in other places,” the president said.
“What’s the strategy? Every place where al Qaeda is we’re going to invade and have troops staying there? Come on!”
Biden then noted the majority of Americans are on his side over withdrawing US forces from Afghanistan after a costly and deadly two-decade war there, while conceding most disapproved of the implementation of the exit.
“Again, what people are — as I read it, I’m told, 70 percent of the American people think it was time to get out of Afghanistan, spending all that money,” he said. “But the flip of it is, they didn’t like the way we got out. But it’s hard to explain to anybody, how else could you get out?”

A recent Washington Post-ABC poll showed 77 of Americans back Biden’s decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, though a slight majority disapprove of his handling of it.

i gotta say i fully agree with Biden here. we need to improve our ways of dealing with terrorists, in particular we need to gain the ability to kill them without killing innocents by accident.
so a retreat is now the right thing to do, it gives our analysts, think tanks, military and political leaders the time they need to implement these better solutions.

and most importantly : it gives Muslims the chance to police their own countries against international terrorists properly.
 
but the point here is : the main and stated objective (defeating international terrorism) was achieved.

now Muslims get a 2nd shot at keeping your countries clean from such filth.
i suggest they don't screw up, or we'll have to be back.

Lol as far as I understand US et al designated the Taliban as a terrorist organisation or elements within it i.e. haqqanis so your statement of defeating terrorism doesn’t stand.
They’re in power and alive and kicking
US & NATO got their asses handed to them by guys in flip flops and ak47.

US ain’t ever coming back to Afghanistan, if it does it will be the end of it.
The days of western imperialism are coming to an end, the US dollar is going to collapse within the next century. Then you will see what the US is made of.
Can’t wait for China to takeover Taiwan, all the US is good for is barking. With a truly matched adversary you won’t last months.
 

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