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China & Nepal discus military cooperation

Chief of the General Staff of the Chinese Army (PLA) Chen Bingde held talks with visiting Chief of Army Staff for the Nepalese Army Chhatraman Singh Gurung on Monday afternoon.

Chen, who wrapped up an official visit to Nepal in March, said China and Nepal have enjoyed good relations since ancient times, adding that people from the two countries share a deep friendship.

"China approves of Nepal's firm stance on issues relating to Tibet and heartily appreciates Nepal's sincere cooperation in that area," Chen said.

He expressed the hope that the two sides will continue to mutually assist each other, cope with difficulties and challenges and safeguard bilateral common interests.

"China will stick to the policy of 'building friendships and partnerships with neighboring countries' and work with Nepal to become good neighbors, friends and partners," Chen said.

Gurung, who is in China for an official visit, stressed that Nepal views China as a "friend for all time."

"Nepal has always adhered to the one-China policy and will never allow any force to make use of the Nepalese territory to engage in anti-China activities," Gurung said.

He said the two countries' militaries have cooperated well in recent years and vowed to work with China to continuously enhance Nepal-China relations.

The two sides also exchanged views on military cooperation in the fields of medical treatment and non-traditional security.

Gurung is scheduled to meet with Vice Chairman of China's Central Military Commission Xu Caihou on Tuesday.

Senior PLA official holds talks with Nepalese Army Chief - People's Daily Online
 
China & Nepal discus military cooperation

Chief of the General Staff of the Chinese Army (PLA) Chen Bingde held talks with visiting Chief of Army Staff for the Nepalese Army Chhatraman Singh Gurung on Monday afternoon.

Chen, who wrapped up an official visit to Nepal in March, said China and Nepal have enjoyed good relations since ancient times, adding that people from the two countries share a deep friendship.

"China approves of Nepal's firm stance on issues relating to Tibet and heartily appreciates Nepal's sincere cooperation in that area," Chen said.

He expressed the hope that the two sides will continue to mutually assist each other, cope with difficulties and challenges and safeguard bilateral common interests.

"China will stick to the policy of 'building friendships and partnerships with neighboring countries' and work with Nepal to become good neighbors, friends and partners," Chen said.

Gurung, who is in China for an official visit, stressed that Nepal views China as a "friend for all time."

"Nepal has always adhered to the one-China policy and will never allow any force to make use of the Nepalese territory to engage in anti-China activities," Gurung said.

He said the two countries' militaries have cooperated well in recent years and vowed to work with China to continuously enhance Nepal-China relations.

The two sides also exchanged views on military cooperation in the fields of medical treatment and non-traditional security.

Gurung is scheduled to meet with Vice Chairman of China's Central Military Commission Xu Caihou on Tuesday.

Senior PLA official holds talks with Nepalese Army Chief - People's Daily Online

Excellent Development!

Pakistan, China, and Nepal should form a bloc. India has territorial disputes with Pakistan, China, and Nepal.

China should bid for Nepal's membership in SCO!

Why isn't Nepal in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) yet?
 
Excellent Development!

Pakistan, China, and Nepal should form a bloc. India has territorial disputes with Pakistan, China, and Nepal.

China should bid for Nepal's membership in SCO!

Why isn't Nepal in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) yet?

I can understand your excitement. Calm down ! You are jumping the gun too soon. And we dont have any territorial disputes with Nepal like we have with Pakistan
 
I can understand your excitement. Calm down ! You are jumping the gun too soon. And we dont have any territorial disputes with Nepal like we have with Pakistan

Read this:


Nepal
Antudanda
Nawalparasi
[edit]Kalapani
Kalapaani (कालापानी) is an area under territorial dispute in Darchula District, Nepal and Pithoragarh district of India.
Although claimed by Nepal, Kalapaani is currently being occupied by India's Indo-Tibetan border security forces since the 1962 border war with China. Nepal claims that the river to the west of Kalapani is main Kali, hence it belongs to Nepal. But India claims that river to the east of Kalapani is the main Kali river, hence Kalapani area belongs to India. The river borders the Nepalese zone of Mahakali and the Indian state of Uttarakhand. The Sugauli Treaty signed by Nepal and British India in 1816 locates the Kali River as Nepal's western boundary with India. Subsequent maps drawn by British surveyors show the source of the boundary river at different places. This discrepancy in locating the source of the river led to boundary disputes between India and Nepal, with each country producing maps supporting their own claims. The Kalapani River runs through an area that includes a disputed area of about 400 km² around the source of the river although the exact size of the disputed area varies from source to source.
[edit]Susta
Susta is an area under territorial dispute currently in Tribenisusta, Nepal and near Nichaul, Uttar Pradesh, India. The area under dispute totals over 14,000 hectars.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disputed_territories_of_India#Kalapani


India has a serious territorial dispute with Nepal. Nepal just hasn't raised it's voice.
 
Read this:

A Sample Focus Piece from International Boundary Monitor (15 May 1998),
by International Boundary Consultants

India-Nepal (Kalapani)

The dispute between India and Nepal involves about 75 sq km of area in Kalapani, where China, India, and Nepal meet. Indian forces occupied the area in 1962 after China and India fought their border war.[5] Three villages are located in the disputed zone: Kuti [Kuthi, 30°19'N, 80°46'E], Gunji, and Knabe. India and Nepal disagree about how to interpret the 1816 Sugauli treaty between the British East India Company and Nepal, which delimited the boundary along the Maha Kali River (Sarda River in India). The dispute intensified in 1997 as the Nepali parliament considered a treaty on hydro-electric development of the river. India and Nepal differ as to which stream constitutes the source of the river. Nepal regards the Limpiyadhura as the source; India claims the Lipu Lekh. Nepal has reportedly tabled an 1856 map from the British India Office to support its position. The countries have held several meetings about the dispute and discussed jointly surveying to resolve the issue.[6] Although the Indo-Nepali dispute appears to be minor, it was aggravated in 1962 by tensions between China and India. Because the disputed area lies near the Sino-Indian frontier, it gains strategic value.

Like most boundary dispute, those of India with its neighbors are symptomatic of wider bilateral relations. Boundaries are manifestations of national identity. They can be trip-wires of war. Recent developments in South Asia suggest that peaceful resolution of these disputes is receding from reach.

International Boundary Consultants

India has a serious territorial dispute with Nepal. Nepal just hasn't raised it's voice.

It didnt take you much time to come out with that obscure source ! We do not have territorial disputes with any country like we have with Pakistan. The one we have with your country is only major territorial dispute. Nepal and India border is a free border. They dont visa to come here. we dont need to go to Nepal.
 
It didnt take you much time to come out with that obscure source ! We do not have territorial disputes with any country like we have with Pakistan. The one we have with your country is only major territorial dispute. Nepal and India border is a free border. They dont visa to come here. we dont need to go to Nepal.
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I don't know how bilateral relations are between Nepal and India, but believe me, the current Nepalese government is not pro-India.

Don't you know the current government of Nepal is "Maoist."

That Visa-free concept is probably from the days of when Nepal was a Kingdom, I don't know, but indeed lets see who Nepal will choose.

Will Nepal side with China or India?

It's more logical for Nepal to side with China. China has more to offer.

Pakistan, China, and Nepal have territorial disputes with India.

Greater Nepal


The idea of "Complete (Greater) Nepal" motivates not only some Nepali nationalists but a majority of Nepalese academicians,[citation needed] who seek to extend the boundaries of present-day Nepal to include the very territories ceded under the Sugauli Treaty. As the ceded territories were not restored to Nepal by the British when freedom was granted to the people of British India, these have become a part of the Republic of India even though it was mentioned that the treaties on behalf of the East India Company or British India would not be valid anymore. Some Nepali politicians and activists accuse India of usurping Nepali territory and using the present border and territorial situation to dominate Nepal, which in the opinion of Nepali nationalists can be overcome by a "Complete (Greater) Nepal."[1] Most law graduates claim that the Sugauli Treaty became null and void on August 15, 1947 when India obtained her independence from British Raj and by the 1950 Indo-Nepal Friendship Treaty.[1] Several Nepalese publications and activities claim the lost territories must be recovered since the Sugauli Treaty has in effect been void by article 8 of the 1950 Indo-Nepal Friendship Treaty and Anglo-Nepal Treaty. The land is being illegally occupied by the Indian government and there are adequate proofs to show that these lands are legally a part of Nepal.

Greater Nepal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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People have not forgotten.
 
India Nepal border is demarcated by Kala Pani river

"The main reason for the eruption of such border disputes between India and Nepal is the ever shifting course of the turbulent Himalayan Rivers, which define the international boundary between the two countries in many areas. These rivers keep changing their courses every now and then, thereby throwing up new territories and submerging old land. Although the riverine boundary is determined on the principle of a fixed boundary, the shifting course of rivers results in adverse possessions. In other words, because the river dissolves old lands and creates new ones, the new lands are “illegally” occupied by people beyond the border. So, what was once Nepalese territory is occupied by Indians and vice versa."

Demarcate the India-Nepal Border | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses
 
India Nepal border is demarcated by Kala Pani river

"The main reason for the eruption of such border disputes between India and Nepal is the ever shifting course of the turbulent Himalayan Rivers, which define the international boundary between the two countries in many areas. These rivers keep changing their courses every now and then, thereby throwing up new territories and submerging old land. Although the riverine boundary is determined on the principle of a fixed boundary, the shifting course of rivers results in adverse possessions. In other words, because the river dissolves old lands and creates new ones, the new lands are “illegally” occupied by people beyond the border. So, what was once Nepalese territory is occupied by Indians and vice versa."

Demarcate the India-Nepal Border | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

That is an Indian media paper, full of inaccuracies and lies.
Let's see what the Nepalese have to say.

BY PHANINDRA NEPAL- The medieval Nepal was quite big in size but due to various reasons it went on being fragmented. The reintegration campaign started during 1744 and under the leadership of king Prithvi Narayan Shah in 1774, the campaign had reached as far as Darjeeling in the East. Even after the death of Prithvi Narayan Shah on 10th January 1775, the reintegration campaign continued. While forgoing ahead towards east, the border of Nepal was extended up to Sikkim by 1779. The border in the western front also went on extending. In 1790, the campaign crossed the Mahakali River and reached Gadwal in 1804 and by 1805, the Nepali Army reached Kangada across the Sutlej River. The Nepali Army succeeded, even if it had to make three years of continued efforts, in taking the Kangada Fort under its sway. In the last battle for Kangada in 1809, the Nepali Army was defeated and forced to return across back to Sutlej. By 1809, the border of Nepal was thus fixed, Sikkim-Jalpaiguri (up to the border of Bhutan in the east and up to Dinajpur, now Bengal in the South) in the east and Sutlej in the west. When the reintegration campaign of Nepal was going on, the British East India Company was also simultaneously moving towards north, west and east colonizing Bengal, Bihar and Awadh to the South of Nepal. This process brought the border of Nepal and East Indian Company to meet together. With the conjoining of borders, dispute between Nepal and the East India Company also started. The British (East India Company) in particular, wanted trade with Tibet through Nepal, but Nepal, which was extended from Sikkim up to Simla, did not allow the British to have this facility. Violating the provisions of the 1801 treaty between Nepal and the East India Company, that if border dispute occurs between the two parties, shall be resolved through peaceful dialogues, the British suddenly declared war against Nepal on 1 November 1814. The war between Nepal and the British continued from 1 November 1814 till 28 April 1815. In the war fought at the main five fronts, Nepal defeated the British at three places in the middle and east and lost at two fronts to the British in the West. Following this war, David Ochtorlony from the side of the British and Amar Singh Thapa from the Nepali side reached a ceasefire through dialogue between the two and made an agreement on 15th May 1815. According to the agreement, Nepal had to cede the land lying between the Mahakali and Sutlej Rivers in the Western front to the British East India Company. But after six and half months on 2nd December 1815, the British side put forward yet another draft treaty, which proposes that Nepal should cede the areas from the Mechi River up to Sikkim and Dinajpur in the East, including all Tarai area to the British East India Company. Nepal, in compulsion signed this Treaty on 4th March 1816. After this treaty, Nepal lost Tarai land, but showed continuous dissatisfaction about this Treaty and assuming that another war with Nepal might ensue, the low land lying between the Koshi and Rapti River was returned to Nepal on 8th December 1816. Long after in 1857, the "Lucknow Mutiny" in the British India was successfully suppressed by the Nepali Army in support of the British, the British government in recognition of the support returned the land lying between the Rapti and Mahakali Rivers to Nepal in 1860, which was ceded to the East India Company according to the treaty of Sugauli (1816). As a result of the Lucknow Mutiny, the East India Company was dissolved and India came under the direct rule of the British Crown. The 1860 treaty, on the return of land between the Rapti and Mahakali, was entered into between Nepal and the Government of United Kingdom. Nepal was given its territories back in two installments, but it has yet to get back its big bulk of territories. The Greater Nepal Movement is an effort to realize the "yet to be returned" territories. With the freedom of Pakistan and India on 14h and 15th August 1947 from the British Empire, the ceded territories of Nepal under the Sugauli Treaty were also freed and this freed territories must now be integrated into Nepal, is the concept of what the "Greater Nepal" is. While India and Pakistan fought against the British Colonization, many Nepalese also took part in the movement. But, as Pakistan and India became free, Nepali territories were annexed in India and East Pakistan. It was a great mistake and an injustice to Nepal. It is a serious mistake on the part of the British Government not to have returned the Nepali territories, on the other, India, which fought more than 90 years against the colonization, not to have realized that the Nepali Territories were also freed together with its freedom is highly immoral. Since, the past 15 years, the Greater Nepal Movement has been continuously going on for the freedom from the unjust acts. Just before a decade, Greater Nepal could not even be talked about, but now this has become a subject of Nepali polity. The Article 8 of both the Treaties signed between Nepal and India on 31st July 1950, and between Nepal and United Kingdom of Great Britain on 30th October 1950 has declared all treaties, engagements and agreements made between Nepal and the British Government as null and void, and in line with the declaration promulgated by the United Nations resolution (1514-XV) in December 1960 with regard to declaring end of all forms of colonization, is a base for the freedom of Nepali territories after India was freed on 15th August 1947. What international law believes is that a treaty entered into between two parties will be cancelled in the absence of one of the parties, and according to this, the Sugauli Treaty cannot be in force after the British Government has left India. From the international instances like Hong Kong and Macau, which are integrated into China, East Timor has been freed from colonialism, has achieved the status of a free state; China to continuously claim sovereignty over Taiwan; annexation of Goa in India by military intervention and Japan not to have given up claim over the Kuril Islands being captured by the USSR, Nepal's claim over the territories ceded under the Sugauli Treaty is not other than what international laws allow in particular the annexation of areas like Darjeeling- Sikkim-Siliguri and Jalpaiguri which are under Indian Governance; make the border of Nepal meet with that of Bangladesh and Bhutan freeing Nepal for ever from the domination of India, which will have a positive impact on the power equation of the South Asia region itself. If mutual relationship between the concept of Greater Nepal and the North-Eastern States, which are fighting for Free State, can be struck, this movement can take real shape and at the same time this will aspire freedom fighters including that of Kashmir, weakening India. A weakened India will be to the interest of the South Asian region, otherwise the freedom and stability of countries in this region will ever remain threatened.

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What is Greater Nepal?

Why such diverging points? Maybe Indian media is lying! Like the India media lies about the Kashmir and South Tibet disputes.

We know for certain there is a dispute between Nepal and India.
It's quite interesting that Nepal wants military cooperation with China instead of with India.
Shows that India is falling behind China, and that China has more to offer.
If the Nepalese are smart, they should form a bloc with Pakistan, and China.
 
It's funny that no longer ago, Indians dudes bragged about how good Nepal India relation, they don't beleived me that as long as Nepal hold China's Card on hand, India will have to think harder to deal Nicely with Nepal..they have offer 250 millions as good will to cozy with Nepal..now I'm wondering what more India will offer; I just love the previous thread about How Nepal-India ties make China wary :lol:


http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/135956-nepal-india-ties-make-china-wary.html
 
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