"China is the next great country in the world" - Jim Rogers

[Mark&Porus]

China is not especially immoral. The USA used nuclear weapons on Japan - you can't justify such a thing.

I think that the Tibetans deserve autonomy, but its hypocrisy for other nations to ask China to give Tibet independence and break up China, because most nations have some immoral war or separatist movements.

Only someone neutral (like Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International) can accuse China. Because they have exposed the torture and immoral acts of all countries.

 

[GSK]

Hello everybody, this is my first post on this forum. I am from Shanghai, a big city of China. I had lived in the US for a few years, so I had many indian friends there. Most of them are good people. Their way of thinking is just like common chinese people.

There are a lot of articles on line comparing india and china. "China is ahead of india for ?? years" or "india will beat china in ?? years", blah blah blah. They reminds me of the chinese people in 1980's. They thought everything in this world was invented by Chinese long long time ago, even movie. There was a popular slogan in China at that time, "the american's treasure is in jewish american people's pocket, the american's wisdom is in chinese american people's brain". Every people believed that the chinese are the smartest people in the world. But as china opens gradually to the world, most of the people become quite, because now they realize how big the gap is between china and the developed countries. That makes them get more and more real.

My belief is that there is no such a group of people that is smarter than others in this world. People are the same. Their difference is made by their environment, culture, and opportunity. In my opinion, People, be it chinese, indian, or any other races, who claim their people are the smarter group, are childish and stupid due to their limited life experience.

And there is no "if-then" for a country's development, because there are so many uncertain factors that can never be forecasted. Let me finish my post with Adidas and Lining's slogan, "Impossible is nothing", "nothing is impossible", good things or bad things, so be prepared, be quite, and do your best.

 

[Beyond]

Hello everybody, this is my first post on this forum. I am from Shanghai, a big city of China. I had lived in the US for a few years, so I had many indian friends there. Most of them are good people. Their way of thinking is just like common chinese people.

There are a lot of articles on line comparing india and china. "China is ahead of india for ?? years" or "india will beat china in ?? years", blah blah blah. They reminds me of the chinese people in 1980's. They thought everything in this world was invented by Chinese long long time ago, even movie. There was a popular slogan in China at that time, "the american's treasure is in jewish american people's pocket, the american's wisdom is in chinese american people's brain". Every people believed that the chinese are the smartest people in the world. But as china opens gradually to the world, most of the people become quite, because now they realize how big the gap is between china and the developed countries. That makes them get more and more real.

My belief is that there is no such a group of people that is smarter than others in this world. People are the same. Their difference is made by their environment, culture, and opportunity. In my opinion, People, be it chinese, indian, or any other races, who claim their people are the smarter group, are childish and stupid due to their limited life experience.

And there is no "if-then" for a country's development, because there are so many uncertain factors that can never be forecasted. Let me finish my post with Adidas and Lining's slogan, "Impossible is nothing", "nothing is impossible", good things or bad things, so be prepared, be quite, and do your best.

good, I do think so, as to a ppl, or as to a country, just do our best! otherwise, what can we depend?

 

[gpit]

… but no one stopped Amirican media from broadcasting sufferings of Iraqi people.

No country has no censorship.

Pentagon, media agree on Iraq war censorship

Pentagon, media agree on Iraq war censorship

During the 1991 Gulf War, the White House and the Pentagon imposed unprecedented censorship on media coverage. With the willing agreement of the corporate-owned media, American military activities in the region were mostly off-limits to journalists. Defense Department censors cleared photos, video footage and battlefield dispatches. Reporters were allowed to travel only in “pools,” accompanied by US military escorts.

BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Elton attacks 'censorship' in US

Elton attacks 'censorship' in US

Elton John has said stars are scared to speak out against war in Iraq because of "bullying tactics" used by the US government to hinder free speech.

 

[gpit]

Developement is good but human liberty ....freedom of expression...till you have not enjoyed them you will not understand what you are losing..... you will not know the truth about your own country...simply you do not know which your govt does not want you to know....I will not go in argument with you here....you have to decide what cost you are ready to pay for developement....


tx

How can a person starved to the verge of death prefer to freedom of speech or right on vote than a morsel of food!

You know nothing about the priority of human needs.

Only basic needs for survival are met, can we start to think other sort of freedom.

Only still higher level of material abundance and spiritual awareness are achieved, can a democracy be healthy.

 

[wtf]

There are a lot of articles on line comparing india and china. "China is ahead of india for ?? years" or "india will beat china in ?? years", blah blah blah. They reminds me of the chinese people in 1980's. They thought everything in this world was invented by Chinese long long time ago, even movie. There was a popular slogan in China at that time, "the american's treasure is in jewish american people's pocket, the american's wisdom is in chinese american people's brain". Every people believed that the chinese are the smartest people in the world. But as china opens gradually to the world, most of the people become quite, because now they realize how big the gap is between china and the developed countries. That makes them get more and more real.

Thank goodness for your post. Brings some sanity back to the thread.
Anyway, every report that I have seen on the developing world or world economy says that China will become one of the world economic superpowers. (As early as 2020). China is already a military superpower. China could possibly become a thought leader too, but that might be impeded by language/culture barriers.

India is not economically following China - It is closer to US/European model with a twist. It has growing service sector, but industrially not so fast as China. Economic system wise, I would say our systems are where USA was in 1900s (Railroad Tycoon Era).
How India performs is economically independent of China except for areas where we directly compete. Trying to imitate China without having a strong state and losing some economic freedoms is impossible (and can't be done considering how many people stand to lose) - Do we want another Indira Gandhi style nationalization ? We are slower growing, but we also have a longer time span (we have younger people), so there is no need for comparison.

China is following pre-world war European model. Strong state, Strong nationalism and state support for industries. Sort of like the German growth before war. It frankly is only nominally communist. Freedom of speech is more restricted in China than other countries, but I think they will be able to fix it after they are rich enough (at least I hope so) and that will be the missing piece to make China a thought leader.

Anyway, I agree that China will be a great power in economics and military before India. Hopefully that won't stop other countries from trying to find their own ways to improve their countries.

 

[wtf]

but chinese will say that western media is fool

And they are doing spying from quite a long time , so we can imagine where all these technologies came from.

LCA, I don't understand your perspective. This is a thread that shows China will be a Superpower. Instead of responding with arguing, you show anecdotes that show some of China's problems - Unless there is a larger point about how these incidences prevent China's growth why post them ? What do you (or India) gain if China loses ? Why are you trying to make this into an India vs China thread?

Economics is NOT a zero sum game. You don't lose if China gains. You can win/lose or remain flat.

Freedom is a positive sum game. If you have a free country as a neighbour, you are likely to be free too.

It would be much better if you responded with some larger study or reasoning.

 

[AkhandBharat]

Interesting Video!

China definitely is a model example of economic reform and should be a case study of every aspiring world power namely, India, Brazil and others. However, history has proven time and again that nation states which rule with an iron fist over their populace without any respect and freedom for an individual comes crashing down after posting a solid growth and stunning the world. If China wants to stay on top and not come crashing down like the Roman Empire or the British Empire, it needs to give way to poitical and social freedom to its citizens or else it will suffer the same fate.

 

[Beyond]

Interesting Video!

China definitely is a model example of economic reform and should be a case study of every aspiring world power namely, India, Brazil and others. However, history has proven time and again that nation states which rule with an iron fist over their populace without any respect and freedom for an individual comes crashing down after posting a solid growth and stunning the world. If China wants to stay on top and not come crashing down like the Roman Empire or the British Empire, it needs to give way to poitical and social freedom to its citizens or else it will suffer the same fate.

good, but please work hard to let india prove your thought, do not let poorness,inequity and ethnicity exist in "democratic" india, do all these mean how india respects his populace?
If u add a point to your post, I cann't agree with u more, that is democracy is only a way to improve ppl's living level.
democracy is a good way to manage country, but democracy is not purpose.
did your face feel even a little hot when u brag your theory in spite of what exists in india and USA?

by the way, what i said doesnt mean china's democracy is good, but at least better than indian democracy

 

[white_pawn]

This are well known "Great Power comes with great Responsibility" if china can stand up to this it would be good . As you can see US has failed in this Prospect

 

[GSK]

Yes, I believe that China will become a superpower someday. But contrary to the westerner's thinking, China will be a more peaceful superpower, not like the western countries. Why? Because unlike the western countries, the Chinese culture is conservative and not so selfish, which means less greedy population and better control of excessive desire. This has been proved in history when the Chinese giant fleet sailed to other parts of the world in Ming Dynasty 600 years ago.

Many people are concerned about the democracy in China. My question is do these people really care about the Chinese people, their life, their happiness and their difficult times? Yes, I believe some of them do, but very very very few. Usually most of them view the Chinese people not the Chinese government as their target. Do they know that a rich China is a good news for this world, whereas a poor China with its strength is a nightmare? Why are they so shortsighted and so jealous? I just don't understand.

If you ask me if the Chinese Communist Party good or bad? As a Chinese who had lived in US for several years, I will tell you that Chinese Communist Party is doing everything possible to enrich the country and improve our people's standard of living. They are really working hard, harder than you think. That is one of the major reasons that China achieved its current economic success. Now you tell me the answer.

So, here comes another question: bread or freedom? This is tricky, because many people outside China tend to think that the Chinese people are like slaves of their government in their own country, which is absolutely false. Do you know that most of Chinese medium sized enterprises are privately owned? There is no pure freedom. The Chinese democracy is not a "to be" or "not to be" , but a "improvement" issue. As for the "improved freedom", can I have both but in such an order: bread first, then the freedom? Most of the Chinese think the same way. Right or wrong, let time prove it, but don't bother to interrupt us and tell us this will not work, because you have your own business to do, do you?

The shortcoming of the Chinese is that they always think too much before they start to do something, always trying to draw a big picture and plan a route. But usually this is just impossible. I am this kind of guy too. So be brave and confident, my Chinese friends. Don't care what other people say about us, do you remember one of our great poems in Tang dynasty? "两岸猿声啼不住，轻舟已过万重山“.

 

[idune]

i liked the way china is going, if we are able to solve border issue early we can form Eurasian union china,india and russia.[union means like economic union should not be taken differently]

Make sure you get permission from uncle sam for such union venture. Besides, what's up indian union craze? why anyone would want put up with india union venture when it subversively acting against China. You need example? Dalai Lama in indian soil should refresh indian memory.

 

[sipraomer]

fennecus . i want the same thing but believe me america will do anything to make sure that this doesnt happen . coz she knows that if india and china join hands there will be an enormous shift in power which will be against her favour .

America has no right to stop the progress of other countries. The jealous Americans will be defeated and China our friend will rise. Indeed a bilateral world would be in the favor of Pakistan and muslim countries of Asia. We will also take benefit and progress in piece. Hail to China Pak friendship. China is the greatest. Our elder brother and our friend. Chinese and Japanese are both my ideal nation and by the grace of God we will reach that goal.

 

[sipraomer]

Yes, I believe that China will become a superpower someday. But contrary to the westerner's thinking, China will be a more peaceful superpower, not like the western countries. Why? Because unlike the western countries, the Chinese culture is conservative and not so selfish, which means less greedy population and better control of excessive desire. This has been proved in history when the Chinese giant fleet sailed to other parts of the world in Ming Dynasty 600 years ago.

Many people are concerned about the democracy in China. My question is do these people really care about the Chinese people, their life, their happiness and their difficult times? Yes, I believe some of them do, but very very very few. Usually most of them view the Chinese people not the Chinese government as their target. Do they know that a rich China is a good news for this world, whereas a poor China with its strength is a nightmare? Why are they so shortsighted and so jealous? I just don't understand.

If you ask me if the Chinese Communist Party good or bad? As a Chinese who had lived in US for several years, I will tell you that Chinese Communist Party is doing everything possible to enrich the country and improve our people's standard of living. They are really working hard, harder than you think. That is one of the major reasons that China achieved its current economic success. Now you tell me the answer.

So, here comes another question: bread or freedom? This is tricky, because many people outside China tend to think that the Chinese people are like slaves of their government in their own country, which is absolutely false. Do you know that most of Chinese medium sized enterprises are privately owned? There is no pure freedom. The Chinese democracy is not a "to be" or "not to be" , but a "improvement" issue. As for the "improved freedom", can I have both but in such an order: bread first, then the freedom? Most of the Chinese think the same way. Right or wrong, let time prove it, but don't bother to interrupt us and tell us this will not work, because you have your own business to do, do you?

The shortcoming of the Chinese is that they always think too much before they start to do something, always trying to draw a big picture and plan a route. But usually this is just impossible. I am this kind of guy too. So be brave and confident, my Chinese friends. Don't care what other people say about us, do you remember one of our great poems in Tang dynasty? "两岸猿声啼不住，轻舟已过万重山“.

Democracy is a stupid way of government. In it parties fight with each other and loyalty to country is not in them. Your present system is good and functional so keep it the way it is. To hell with democracy.
Your ideology is similar to Islam and I salute you. Freedom should also have reins as the western Greek Philosopher himself said. "Excess to everything is the undoing of man". These stupid westerners forget their own sayings. They need to consult psychiatrists. Their society has failed because of this. I love China , Muaaah.

 

[glomex]

Strange. Never saw citizens of some country falling in love with their ally. Looking up to your ally is different but being proud of China's Achievements in which Pakistanis have no part, nor do they enjoy benefits of Chinese achievements.

Just being proud of China- because it is supposedly better than India in some aspects....is beyond understanding....

China is a great country ...agreed....but what makes Pakistanis proud of this....did they contribute to China's success.....