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A section of a panorama produced by Zhurong, released June 27, showing comms and solar arrays, roving tracks and the distant landing platform. Credit: CNSA/PEC

HELSINKI — China is working on a complex mission to collect Mars rock samples and deliver them to Earth by building on the successes of recent moon and Mars missions.
The mission, likely to be named Tianwen-2, could launch as soon as 2028 with the goal of returning samples around 2030. Such a mission has never before been attempted.
A presentation from Zhang Rongqiao, chief designer of the Tianwen-1 mission, at deep space forum in Shenzhen Oct. 18 indicates a shift in mission profile from a single-launch to using two launches within the same launch window.
Earlier statements on the mission suggested using a single future Long March 9 super heavy-lift rocket. Instead the mission will likely use the established Long March 3B and Long March 5 launch vehicles.
Zhang’s presentation indicates the Long March 3B will launch a lander and ascent vehicle within an aeroshell attached to a propulsion module, with the orbiter and reentry capsule to be launched by the Long March 5.
China’s ambition to carry out the unprecedented mission has been stated previously and was included in the China National Space Administration’s plans for development across 2021-2025.
The mission is understood to have recently passed a milestone review and could, potentially, deliver to Earth the first samples of rock sampled from Mars. Such a mission would have tremendous scientific value, providing insights in the composition and geology of Mars and possibly even evidence of life such as fossils or biosignatures.
However there is a leading competitor in what could be seen as a race to Mars and back.
NASA and ESA are already collaborating to conduct a Mars sample return mission. The Perseverance rover touched down on Mars in February and in September collected the first samples for potential later delivery to Earth.
Launches of a NASA-led rover and European Space Agency rover, to pick up the samples and send them into orbit around Mars, and an ESA-led orbiter for the return to Earth, are to launch no earlier than 2026, with samples returning in 2031.
China’s mission builds on the capabilities developed for and demonstrated by two flagship missions. In July 2020 China launched its first independent interplanetary mission which involved the successful landing of the solar powered Zhurong rover on Mars. The rover demonstrated crucial entry, descent and landing technologies including an aeroshell, supersonic parachute, sensor systems and retropulsion needed for a soft landing on Mars.
The Chang’e- 5 mission launched in November 2020 and just over three weeks later delivered fresh lunar samples to Earth. The mission proved the ability to scope and drill for samples, launch unaided from the moon, and an automated rendezvous and docking in lunar orbit.
A Mars sample return will need to combine and even improve on these capabilities while also operating independently while hundreds of millions of kilometers away from Earth.
Zhang said in a post-Zhurong landing press conference in May that big technological challenges lie ahead. “We need about two to three years to tackle the core technologies before conducting engineering development,” he said.
Zhang Rongqiao said in a June CNSA press conference that technologies required for taking off from Mars are closer to those needed to takeoff from Earth rather than from the moon, as demonstrated by Chang’e-5.
China’s mission will use a lander to extract samples and not include a rover. The use of a rover in the NASA and ESA mission adds complexity but allows for a greater range of samples to be collected.
Missing the late 2028 launch window would mean a delay of 26 months until the next opportunity to launch. Given the challenges involved in such a mission, such delays are possible for both the Chinese and NASA-ESA missions.
Before attempting its unprecedented Red Planet mission China will attempt to collect material from near-Earth asteroid Kamoʻoalewa using two separate sampling methods before delivery to Earth.
That mission, set for launch in 2024 and tentatively named after Ming dynasty admiral and explorer Zheng He, will then head for a main-belt comet 311P/PANSTARRS after dropping off samples on Earth.
The mission could provide China further expertise and experience of sampling and deep space exploration operations ahead of the ambitious Mars sample return attempt.

 
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2028 ? By which time SpaceX will have returned some samples by landing humans on Mars, unless @FairAndUnbiased declares that a human mission to Mars is impossible like he usually says. :D
 
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2028 ? By which time SpaceX will have returned some samples by landing humans on Mars, unless @FairAndUnbiased declares that a human mission to Mars is impossible like he usually says. :D

Unlikely... the early astronauts sent by SpaceX to Mars will not be returning back to Earth anytime soon.. they are there to stay and build up the colony base.. their ships will be repurposed as habitats.. in the future when the base has grown in size and facilities, the Colony has reached a certain size and Starship flights between Earth and Mars are more or less routine, then the astronauts may have the option to return to Earth.. :rolleyes1:

Btw.. even as a SpaceX fan, I strongly doubt that Starship could be man-rated before 2025..
 
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Unlikely... the early astronauts sent by SpaceX to Mars will not be returning back to Earth anytime soon.. they are there to stay and build up the colony base.. their ships will be repurposed as habitats.. in the future when the base has grown in size and facilities, the Colony has reached a certain size and Starship flights between Earth and Mars are more or less routine, then the astronauts may have the option to return to Earth.. :rolleyes1:

Btw.. even as a SpaceX fan, I strongly doubt that Starship could be man-rated before 2025..
Of cos Indian fanboy think differently. They believe in vedic science but they themselves yet to capable to soft land on Moon.
 
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Unlikely... the early astronauts sent by SpaceX to Mars will not be returning back to Earth anytime soon.. they are there to stay and build up the colony base

What??? No, not the first few missions.
And u think spaceX can do it earlier than China? Must be dreaming... :enjoy:

You guys haven't even had a manned launch into space using an original spacecraft design. The Russians going to help you design a manned lander now?
 
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What??? No, not the first few missions.


You guys haven't even had a manned launch into space using an original spacecraft design. The Russians going to help you design a manned lander now?
We have more advanced spacecraft called TengYun.

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Fixed your space toilet first before talk about China... :lol:

You shall get Indian astronaut for your space trip becos they would not mind floating crapped or urine with their habit of open defecation. :rofl:

Made in USA... Same as B737 Max. Same low quality! :enjoy:

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2028 ? By which time SpaceX will have returned some samples by landing humans on Mars, unless @FairAndUnbiased declares that a human mission to Mars is impossible like he usually says. :D

A sample return mission from Mars is already the absolute height of complexity and in fact I worry it might be too ambitious - should start off with a reusable orbiter which would still be groundbreaking and a historical event.

Landing humans before 2028? Sure if you don't care whether they arrive in one piece, get to leave alive or return to Earth. Note those are 3 separate challenges. Just because you can arrive safely doesn't mean you can leave, just because you can leave doesn't mean you can return.
 
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Right now you guys are calling the Starship vaporware even though people can plainly see it live on youtube..so super ditto to this CGI!
I have to admit China advance technology is not as open as US. But China is now taking lead over any of US space technology. Tengyun makes Elon Musk recovery first stage rocket scheme looks like toy! :enjoy:
 
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I have to admit China advance technology is not as open as US. But China is now taking lead over any of US space technology. Tengyun makes Elon Musk recovery first stage rocket scheme looks like toy! :enjoy:

How is launching a little X37 type shuttle on the back of a plane not a toy compared to a huge Starship?????

The cargo/passenger area of a Starship is bigger than the volume of your whole planned tiny space station nevermind this even smaller thing. :enjoy:
 
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How is launching a little X37 type shuttle on the back of a plane not a toy compared to a huge Starship?????

The cargo/passenger area of a Starship is bigger than the volume of your whole planned tiny space station nevermind this even smaller thing. :enjoy:
You have to remember, TengYun spaceship eventual goal is to ferry astronaut or payload of 3-4tons easily to and fro to space. And CNSA are not that far from that goal.
 
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2028 ? By which time SpaceX will have returned some samples by landing humans on Mars, unless @FairAndUnbiased declares that a human mission to Mars is impossible like he usually says. :D
If SpaceX can land humans on Mars before 2028 then good for them. China will keep advancing it's own Mars missions regardless of what SpaceX does.
 
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