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China is economically WAY AHEAD of Vietnam and India

I'm going to ignore you.

I asked you for a citation to prove your point.

I didn't ask you to say it again. I heard you the first time.

Lmao. It's common sense. Growth are always stated in constant PPP dollars after adjustments. No one includes inflation to calculate their real growth rate.

Simple basic economics and yet you think it's so complicated that you need a 'citation' for it. Such big words.

Just go read the definition. If you still can't comprehend, go compare the PPP figures in 2015, 2016 and the growth rate for ANY country.
 
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Lmao. It's common sense. Growth are always stated in constant PPP dollars after adjustments. No one includes inflation to calculate their real growth rate.

Simple basic economics and yet you think it's so complicated that you need a 'citation' for it. Such big words.

Just go read the definition. If you still can't comprehend, go compare the PPP figures in 2015, 2016 and the growth rate for ANY country.
No. You're making an assumption.

You can make an assumption, but that doesn't make it true.
 
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Here's the definition from the World Bank:

Data reported in current (or “nominal”) prices for each year are in the value of the currency for that particular year. For example, current price data shown for 1990 are based on 1990 prices, for 2000 are based on 2000 prices, and so on. Other series in World Development Indicators (WDI) show data in "constant" or "real" terms. Constant series show the data for each year in the value of a particular base year. Thus, for example, data reported in constant 2010 prices show data for 1990, 2000, and all other years in 2010 prices.

Current series are influenced by the effect of price inflation. Constant series are used to measure the true growth of a series, i.e. adjusting for the effects of price inflation. For example (using year one as the base year), suppose nominal Gross Domestic Product (GDP) rises from 100 billion to 110 billion, and inflation is about 4%. In real prices, the second year GDP would be approximately 106 billion, reflecting its true growth of 6%.

Except for rare instances of deflation (i.e. negative inflation), a country's current price series on a local currency basis will be higher than its constant price series in the years succeeding the constant price base year. However, this relationship does not hold when the data are converted to a common currency such as U.S. dollars. Many countries have had large devaluations of their currency since 1995 (particularly since 1998), which may cause the current dollar series to be lower than the constant dollar series.

Please note that the term "real" has a different meaning when considering data in Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) terms. While "nominal" GDP in the International Comparison Program does refer to the regular national accounts GDP in current prices, "real" GDP is considered to be the PPP GDP in current prices. We also show PPP GDP in constant prices by simply applying the regular national accounts growth rates for GDP to derive the series for PPP GDP in constant 2011 U.S. dollars.

No. You're making an assumption.

You can make an assumption, but that doesn't make it true.

Why not just go find any country to compare the figures for any two years then?
 
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Here's the definition from the World Bank:

Data reported in current (or “nominal”) prices for each year are in the value of the currency for that particular year. For example, current price data shown for 1990 are based on 1990 prices, for 2000 are based on 2000 prices, and so on. Other series in World Development Indicators (WDI) show data in "constant" or "real" terms. Constant series show the data for each year in the value of a particular base year. Thus, for example, data reported in constant 2010 prices show data for 1990, 2000, and all other years in 2010 prices.

Current series are influenced by the effect of price inflation. Constant series are used to measure the true growth of a series, i.e. adjusting for the effects of price inflation. For example (using year one as the base year), suppose nominal Gross Domestic Product (GDP) rises from 100 billion to 110 billion, and inflation is about 4%. In real prices, the second year GDP would be approximately 106 billion, reflecting its true growth of 6%.

Except for rare instances of deflation (i.e. negative inflation), a country's current price series on a local currency basis will be higher than its constant price series in the years succeeding the constant price base year. However, this relationship does not hold when the data are converted to a common currency such as U.S. dollars. Many countries have had large devaluations of their currency since 1995 (particularly since 1998), which may cause the current dollar series to be lower than the constant dollar series.

Please note that the term "real" has a different meaning when considering data in Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) terms. While "nominal" GDP in the International Comparison Program does refer to the regular national accounts GDP in current prices, "real" GDP is considered to be the PPP GDP in current prices. We also show PPP GDP in constant prices by simply applying the regular national accounts growth rates for GDP to derive the series for PPP GDP in constant 2011 U.S. dollars.
So? They make a specific reference to 2011 US dollars. That means a specific PPP calculation is tied to a particular year.

I asked for proof of Vietnam's PPP per-capita growth figure to show it takes inflation into account.
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When you look at Vietnam's per-capita PPP GDP figures, it shows a nominal number. I did the calculation from 2010 to 2017 and it shows a nominal 6% growth rate.

However, the PPP figure is tied to the specific year that it was calculated.

You are assuming that the PPP figures have been deflated to adjust for inflation.

I see no such evidence.

To me, it looks like each yearly PPP number is calculated based on the US dollar for that year.

It is possible to calculate a series of PPP numbers that are tied to a specific year, because Constant US dollar GDP figures are also specially calculated that way.

However, the figures that are released do not say CONSTANT PPP dollars from SPECIFIC YEAR. They only say PPP dollars, which leads me to believe they are tied to the US dollar for that year. I don't think the PPP per-capita GDP figures have been adjusted for inflation when compared across different years.
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There are two different sets of PPP numbers (current prices vs. constant prices). How do we know whether we are looking at the "real" GDP ("considered to be the PPP GDP in current prices") or the PPP GDP in constant prices?

How do we know whether we are looking at current or constant PPP data?

What is the difference between current and constant data? | The World Bank

"Please note that the term "real" has a different meaning when considering data in Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) terms. While "nominal" GDP in the International Comparison Program does refer to the regular national accounts GDP in current prices, "real" GDP is considered to be the PPP GDP in current prices. We also show PPP GDP in constant prices by simply applying the regular national accounts growth rates for GDP to derive the series for PPP GDP in constant 2011 U.S. dollars."
 
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Sigh, you're stubborn and too prideful to admit you're wrong.

Let's use India as an example then, since they have a relative high inflation rate which makes my point clearer and less ambiguous.

GDP PPP current prices of India:

2015: 8 trillion
2016: 8.7 trillion

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.PP.CD?locations=IN&start=2015

8.7 / 8 = 1.0875
= 8.75% growth



GDP PPP constant prices of India:

2015: 7.5 trillion
2016: 8 trillion

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.PP.KD?locations=IN&start=2015

8 / 7.5 = 1.067
= 6.7% growth

India would have grown nearly 9% according to your metric, which is current PPP dollars.

India official growth rate is 7.1% in 2016. So which estimate, current or constant, is closer to the official figure?
 
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I went to the IMF's October 2017 WEO (World Economic Outlook) Database. There are two data sets for Vietnam's PPP per-capita GDP.

Vietnam's PPP per-capita GDP in constant prices is 10% lower than its PPP per-capita GDP in current prices.

Look at the IMF data for Vietnam's PPP per-capita GDP in constant 2011 international dollars. It is not 6% growth. It is less than 6%.

Only the IMF data for Vietnam's PPP per-capita GDP in current international dollars shows 6% economic growth.

Since we used Vietnam's PPP per-capita GDP in current international dollars to extrapolate the 6% economic growth into the future, we have to deflate it for inflation (which is what I've been saying all along).

Contrary to Mista's claim, there are two different sets of PPP figures. PPP does not always mean constant prices. It depends on which PPP data set that you are looking at.

5. Report for Selected Countries and Subjects | International Monetary Fund

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Agree with you.
Been to Vietnam myself, it looks quite like China 10-15 years ago.
Some of my friends (who been there also) argues it looks more like China 20-30 years ago, which I can not agree. I guess it is that we forget how poor we were 20-30 years ago? or just our superiority sense haunts?

30 years ago Deng Xiaoping was still in charge and he just started the economic reforms.

Contrary to Mista's claim, there are two different sets of PPP figures. PPP does not always mean constant prices. It depends on which PPP data set that you are looking at.

Look at the post above yours. I've always known that there are 2 set of PPP figures, constant and current.

But growth are always calculated in constant PPP dollars. C'mon, that's really basic knowledge anyone who study economics before know. Why are you even arguing this point?
 
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30 years ago Deng Xiaoping was still in charge and he just started the economic reforms.



Look at the post above yours. I've always known that there are 2 set of PPP figures, constant and current.

But growth are always calculated in constant PPP dollars. C'mon, that's really basic knowledge anyone who study economics before know. Why are you even arguing this point?
Okay. I'm unfamiliar with PPP calculations. I've always dealt with nominal GDP figures.

I will revise my claim to 15 years for Vietnam's PPP per-capita GDP to match China's 2017 PPP per-capita GDP.
 
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Okay. I'm unfamiliar with PPP calculations. I've always dealt with nominal GDP figures.

I will revise my claim to 15 years for Vietnam's PPP per-capita GDP to match China's 2017 PPP per-capita GDP.

Current PPP dollars are usually used when we compare PPP figures today. Websites like Wikipedia uses Current PPP for GDP per capita etc.

Constant PPP dollars are used to calculate growth more accurately. I think it's updated every 10 years and the constant PPP dollars we are using now as a base is 2011 Constant PPP dollars.
 
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Sigh, you're stubborn and too prideful to admit you're wrong.

Let's use India as an example then, since they have a relative high inflation rate which makes my point clearer and less ambiguous.

GDP PPP current prices of India:

2015: 8 trillion
2016: 8.7 trillion

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.PP.CD?locations=IN&start=2015

8.7 / 8 = 1.0875
= 8.75% growth



GDP PPP constant prices of India:

2015: 7.5 trillion
2016: 8 trillion

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.PP.KD?locations=IN&start=2015

8 / 7.5 = 1.067
= 6.7% growth

India would have grown nearly 9% according to your metric, which is current PPP dollars.

India official growth rate is 7.1% in 2016. So which estimate, current or constant, is closer to the official figure?
Just a kind reminder my friend : official GDP growth rate is usually calculated off constant price local currency (LCU). Indian official GDP growth rate in 2016 was (121 T/113 T) -1 = 7.1%. Cheers:-)
 
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Why should I have any knewledge on PPP? No serious economists talk about that all the time.
 
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Every couple of weeks on PDF- Chinese paid machine to cover up the fact they have not attained a "developed" country status in spite of having the 2nd largest GDP, and to avoid comparing to other developed countries while they have the highest number of slums in purely numerical terms. Choose to remind themselves of their one step better than 3rd world status by comparing to countries with 4 x 5x less in GDP :lol:

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http://mirror.unhabitat.org/pmss/getElectronicVersion.aspx?nr=3387&alt=1
Don’t be stupid here.
China slum residents are the Indian rich.
Indian rich in China are the dirty poor.

India’s richest city is way worse than cities in China’s poorest province.
 
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