China invest 6 billion dollars into Iranian oil field , and refinery projec

[Veritas]

cute, Indian acting educated.
btw, I aint muslim.

Ugly Iranian acting like a troll who he is... or may be I should say .. a troll what it is.

 

[hindukush]

glad iran is distancing itself from indians considering its ties with israel.....i read somewhere indian diplomats in iran are on the payroll of israel

 

[cross1993]

Yes, China had 9% GDP growth during the "Great Leap Forward", and during Korean War only Americans died.. RIGHT. Perfect example of Chinese Firewall keeping certain people well-informed.

Re-learn your history. "Great Leap Forward" took place in 1958-1960.
And below_freezing mentioned that is "first Five-Year Plan."
"first Five-Year Plan" took place in 1953-1957. China's heavy industry foundation from "first Five-Year Plan". China conducted the first census, beginning of compulsory education, completed the land reform, elimination of all the bandits and local forces, completed the centralization of power...

Five-Year Plans of the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+cn0146)

 

[Kompromat]

pretty risky investment considering it is only a matter of time before war breaks out there.

So you indirectly are trying to say that "its only a matter of time when Israel will get *****" !

 

[fallstuff]

Let the warmongers blow their steam. There is not going to be a war from US, Obama or not. I doubt Israel found its balls it lost to hezbullah in 2006.

 

[ephone]

Well, you should not be that confident either. US does not need a full scale invasion into Iran. It can simply send its bombers into Iran to wipe out those military targets.

So there is no need to taunt US in that regard as well. To be honest, if there is any country that will really attack Iran, it must be US or Israel with US backup.

China's involvement in Korean War and Vietnam War with US indeed gave us some strategic gains. For economics gain, I do not think we have much. Do not trust figures from those years since we know a lot of them were fake during Mao's era.


So Iran had better keep a low profile for its own sake. Iran is still a much smaller potato compared to US who is a huge gorilla.

US will never even touch a hair of Irans. After all, it only fights wars with weak loser countries without their own industries.

US is also the greatest hypocrite country on earth, enforcing sanctions destroying TRADE FREEDOM and attacking and destabilizing other countries destroying their FREEDOM to choose their own government.

China should learn from Iran. During Chairman Mao's day, we turned US soldiers into fertilizer and our economy still grew 9% per year. During Deng's rule in the 80's we started kissing up to the US and our economy stagnated! Only after US bombed our embassy and shocked us out of submission did we start growing again. Iran has always stood up to the US and its economy is still growing healthily.

 

[below_freezing]

Well, you should not be that confident either. US does not need a full scale invasion into Iran. It can simply send its bombers into Iran to wipe out those military targets.

So there is no need to taunt US in that regard as well. To be honest, if there is any country that will really attack Iran, it must be US or Israel with US backup.

China's involvement in Korean War and Vietnam War with US indeed gave us some strategic gains. For economics gain, I do not think we have much. Do not trust figures from those years since we know a lot of them were fake during Mao's era.


So Iran had better keep a low profile for its own sake. Iran is still a much smaller potato compared to US who is a huge gorilla.

No I'm pretty sure the 9% is real since the records also show -20% decrease in 1959.

Yes, the US "can" send bombers but in Yugoslavia, they bombed the country with more bombs than used in all of WW2 and still only took out 700 people in a tiny, landlocked country. What are they going to do to Iran, a country with huge mountains, air defenses, etc?

Yes, the US has many tools to deal with Iran, but Iran's not giving them a politically acceptable excuse.

 

[ephone]

First, I am not going to debate with you about those figures. If you want to believe that, go ahead. I feel it is absurd to believe figures from those years.

Second, you forget Yugoslavia surrendered very quickly, didn't it???

Iran and Iraq fought during 80s for bloody Iran-Iraq wars for many years. Basically, Iran had its axx kicked very badly due to Iraq's better air powers. Well, later Iran's revolutionary guards' people-mountain-people-sea tactics finally push Iraq army back to reclaim most lands occupied by Iraq Army, but under much heavier casualties.

Then Iraq invaded into Kuwait. How about the Iraq then who taunted itself as world 4th best army??? It seems that Iraq pretty much was pounded without any power to fight back by U.S.

So I think Iran should keep a low profile and should not taunt U.S. for invasion. Those tactics that was useful against Iraq 30 years ago was really useless to U.S. in the 21st century. BTW, do not overestimate Iran's air defense system either.

I hope we do not have another "general" zhang zhaozhong here, who was and is still very much stupid. Take his words, turn around 180 degree, well you then find the reality.

No I'm pretty sure the 9% is real since the records also show -20% decrease in 1959.

Yes, the US "can" send bombers but in Yugoslavia, they bombed the country with more bombs than used in all of WW2 and still only took out 700 people in a tiny, landlocked country. What are they going to do to Iran, a country with huge mountains, air defenses, etc?

Yes, the US has many tools to deal with Iran, but Iran's not giving them a politically acceptable excuse.

 

[below_freezing]

First, I am not going to debate with you about those figures. If you want to believe that, go ahead. I feel it is absurd to believe figures from those years.

Second, you forget Yugoslavia surrendered very quickly, didn't it???

Iran and Iraq fought during 80s for bloody Iran-Iraq wars for many years. Basically, Iran had its axx kicked very badly due to Iraq's better air powers. Well, later Iran's revolutionary guards' people-mountain-people-sea tactics finally push Iraq army back to reclaim most lands occupied by Iraq Army, but under much heavier casualties.

Then Iraq invaded into Kuwait. How about the Iraq then who taunted itself as world 4th best army??? It seems that Iraq pretty much was pounded without any power to fight back by U.S.

So I think Iran should keep a low profile and should not taunt U.S. for invasion. Those tactics that was useful against Iraq 30 years ago was really useless to U.S. in the 21st century. BTW, do not overestimate Iran's air defense system either.

I hope we do not have another "general" zhang zhaozhong here, who was and is still very much stupid. Take his words, turn around 180 degree, well you then find the reality.

A rank given to you by yourself, is useless. A rank given to you by others, is worthy. Iraq could've called itself #1 for all I care but it doesn't change the fact it got its kicked by Israel multiple times, never even mention US.

Iran also completely destroyed the Iraqis, flying bombing sorties over Baghdad by the end of the war. If it wasn't for chemical weapons Iraq would've lost within months.

I'm not suggesting the ridiculous notion that Iran could militarily defeat the US.

I am saying the cost of military action against Iran is too high for the potential benefits.

We all know what happened in Vietnam where more planes than the modern USAF got turned into free iron ore. And that's just Vietnam, a rank 100 air force, though with rank 2 and 3 air forces backing them up.

 

[fallstuff]

First, I am not going to debate with you about those figures. If you want to believe that, go ahead. I feel it is absurd to believe figures from those years.

Second, you forget Yugoslavia surrendered very quickly, didn't it???

Iran and Iraq fought during 80s for bloody Iran-Iraq wars for many years. Basically, Iran had its axx kicked very badly due to Iraq's better air powers. Well, later Iran's revolutionary guards' people-mountain-people-sea tactics finally push Iraq army back to reclaim most lands occupied by Iraq Army, but under much heavier casualties.

Then Iraq invaded into Kuwait. How about the Iraq then who taunted itself as world 4th best army??? It seems that Iraq pretty much was pounded without any power to fight back by U.S.

So I think Iran should keep a low profile and should not taunt U.S. for invasion. Those tactics that was useful against Iraq 30 years ago was really useless to U.S. in the 21st century. BTW, do not overestimate Iran's air defense system either.

I hope we do not have another "general" zhang zhaozhong here, who was and is still very much stupid. Take his words, turn around 180 degree, well you then find the reality.

Its not only about the fire power. The US public do not have the appetite for another war. Obama has to make a case like 'clear and present danger' to the public. That has not been the case. Not in the next few years. Watch the price of gas when a supertanker gets hit by a missile. People would want to know why are they paying $6 for a gallon of gas. Obama's explanation, " we just made a point that we got bigger balls" is not gonna fly.

Whats is happening is just huffing n puffin. The point is trying to make Iran chicken out, hence the words like all options on the table, the Israelis will attack.

If Isreal wants to fight, let them fight their war.

 

[ovarel]

in wartime,iran also can mess with the oil transportation...

 

[ephone]

"Iran also complete destroyed the Iraqis..."

Are you delusional or what? You learnt this crap from the radio channel of revolution guard???

As far as for air power, Iraq was always much better than Iran then. Both sides fought for years and nobody could completely defeat the other. Otherwise, none of them will called it ended in the end.

And Vietnam example is also none relevant here since Russia and China will not lend a hand to Iran if war really break out between Iran and US. There won't be any shipment of military equipments or personnel from China or Russia to Iran. Time is different now. Just look at Afghanistan, who is helping such poor country???
China and Russia are preserving themselves and it is not their interest to challenge U.S. for Iran.

As what I have mentioned before, the only constraint for US is: who is going to pay for it after the financial crisis?

A rank given to you by yourself, is useless. A rank given to you by others, is worthy. Iraq could've called itself #1 for all I care but it doesn't change the fact it got its kicked by Israel multiple times, never even mention US.

Iran also completely destroyed the Iraqis, flying bombing sorties over Baghdad by the end of the war. If it wasn't for chemical weapons Iraq would've lost within months.

I'm not suggesting the ridiculous notion that Iran could militarily defeat the US.

I am saying the cost of military action against Iran is too high for the potential benefits.

We all know what happened in Vietnam where more planes than the modern USAF got turned into free iron ore. And that's just Vietnam, a rank 100 air force, though with rank 2 and 3 air forces backing them up.

 

[ephone]

in wartime,iran also can mess with the oil transportation...

Does that matter really that much?

US can ask Saudi and other Opec countries to increase productions to overcome the loss on Iran's side.

It happened when first Gulf War broke out and Iraq's oil production was totally cut off. Saudi and other Opec countries agreed to increase productions then and nothing major happened.

Considering the relation between Iran and Saudi, I believe Saudi will agree to increase production if war breaks out between U.S. and Iran.

BTW, about Iran's navy and air force, to be honest, it will be totally annihilated by U.S. BTW, for this war, Saudi and Japan may even agree to pay some of the cost as well.

So it is not in Iran's interest to taunt U.S. in this sense. Keep a low profile and do your own business.

 

[cross1993]

China govt agreed to help Iran to build the world's largest dam, its size is twice the Three Gorges Dam.

??? ?--_?

 

[ovarel]

Does that matter really that much?

US can ask Saudi and other Opec countries to increase productions to overcome the loss on Iran's side.

It happened when first Gulf War broke out and Iraq's oil production was totally cut off. Saudi and other Opec countries agreed to increase productions then and nothing major happened.

Considering the relation between Iran and Saudi, I believe Saudi will agree to increase production if war breaks out between U.S. and Iran.

BTW, about Iran's navy and air force, to be honest, it will be totally annihilated by U.S. BTW, for this war, Saudi and Japan may even agree to pay some of the cost as well.

So it is not in Iran's interest to taunt U.S. in this sense. Keep a low profile and do your own business.

but i meant the transportation not production..Persian Gulf is a very strategic point for the transportation...of course US can overcome it too but they would gain nothing...i dont think a war is gonna occur despite the taunts of Iran..