China-India Standoff 2020 - Outcome

[pakpride00090]

India is obsessed with China. China doesn't even notice India nor do most Chinese citizens care about India. It's a weird situation.

It is so funny to see , Indian always over-estimate themselves in different forms and believe that they are even near China in any sense.

Imagine for a second , Indian soldiers entering Chinese territory. Would Chinese soldiers blow them off or appease them like Indians

https://twitter.com/x/status/1265265665838944259

 

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Shit tier analysis... Reminds me of typical Indian:-

Mind you, Please be respectful to senior and old members. Especially, to title holders. You can disagree and use softer words to state your opinion. Just a gentleman's advice, brother. Peace!

 

[Dil Pakistan]

I had started a new thread about this stand-off, but on the advice of a friend I am posting the same with amendments.

I don;t see this stand off in isolation. In fact, it will be a mistake. We need to understand the New World Order to understand what is happening between China, India and Pakistan.

The idea of New World Order was to create a uni-polar world, with one (single) power controlling the world. The rest of the world was to be divided in different categories, as subservient to that single power. Controlling the energy resources, controlling the world trade and economics were the other aspects of this design.

India signed up to it about three decades ago and was given the task of controlling Pakistan and China. In return, she was promised a significant position on the table.

The crunch time has now come.

The powers that had promised India so much, had opened the gates of foreign investments to boost the economy, had offered everything in arms sales; are now demanding the action from India.

For her part, so far, India did what she was meant to do. An attack on Gilgit-Baltistan and neutralising the CPEC were on the cards.

But! suddenly, in the blink of an eye, the game has changed. The mighty dragon has placed the claw at the jugular. A two front war is certain. A three front war (with Nepal) is also a possibility, with loss of a significant fighting force of gurkhas. Sikhs are not too happy wither. Kashmir is boiling already.

Keeping the above in mind, India is between the rock and hard place. If she doesn't execute the promised plan, then she risks loosing everything. If she executes the plan, she gets the spanking from all sides.

 

[pakpride00090]

Mind you, Please be respectful to senior and old members. Especially, to title holders. You can disagree and use softer words to state your opinion. Just a gentleman's advice, brother. Peace!

Noted brother..Will be careful from here on..

Made amendments to original post.

I had started a new thread about this stand-off, but on the advice of a friend I am posting the same with amendments.

I don;t see this stand off in isolation. In fact, it will be a mistake. We need to understand the New World Order to understand what is happening between China, India and Pakistan.

The idea of New World Order was to create a uni-polar world, with one (single) power controlling the world. The rest of the world was to be divided in different categories, as subservient to that single power. Controlling the energy resources, controlling the world trade and economics were the other aspects of this design.

India signed up to it about three decades ago and was given the task of controlling Pakistan and China. In return, she was promised a significant position on the table.

The crunch time has now come.

The powers that had promised India so much, had opened the gates of foreign investments to boost the economy, had offered everything in arms sales; are now demanding the action from India.

For her part, so far, India did what she was meant to do. An attack on Gilgit-Baltistan and neutralising the CPEC were on the cards.

But! suddenly, in the blink of an eye, the game has changed. The mighty dragon has placed the claw at the jugular. A two front war is certain. A three front war (with Nepal) is also a possibility, with loss of a significant fighting force of gurkhas. Sikhs are not too happy wither. Kashmir is boiling already.

Keeping the above in mind, India is between the rock and hard place. If she doesn't execute the promised plan, then she risks loosing everything. If she executes the plan, she gets the spanking from all sides.

My post number 45 on this thread echo the same sentiment.

 

[Saho]

Has anyone speculated that it’s not just border but also China want to secure control of the Indian Ocean thereby blocking Asia’s access to the Middle East and accelerate US’s decline?

They will need Pakistan and may offer them in exchange for piece of India (Kashmir etc).

 

[Arsalan 345]

It seems quite clearly that this is a reaction to the pressure that China is facing at the moment. The border with India is not at all one of their areas of great concern; their concentration has been and continues to be their front with Taiwan, and in the naval arena, the South China Sea. These petty squabbles are China's piqued reaction to India's undutiful support of other countries to the demand for an investigation into China's management of the Covid-19 crisis; to the Indian flirting with the US proposal for a loosely-linked alliance to support their efforts against Chinese expansion into the South China Sea; and to the Indian deviation from her earlier unconditional support for the PRC.

It does not seem to be very deep in intent, but is merely a Chinese warning to a disobedient neighbour.

Links to their proposed investment in Gilgit-Baltistan cannot be ruled out as a secondary motive.

Finally, in the medium term, in the time-tested methodology of the Chinese state, there is always a step taken towards their long-term objectives, in this case, towards expansion into disputed territory, converting disputed territory into settled, and undisputed territory into disputed.

Hi. let us suppose that India successfully repels Chinese attack and begin offensive against china. do you think India has the capability to threaten Plateau of Tibet from Chinese control? obviously peaks. Do you think it's possible? What will be the objectives of Indian army in case if they decide to start offensive against china?

 

[pakpride00090]

Has anyone speculated that it’s not just border but also China want to secure control of the Indian Ocean thereby blocking Asia’s access to the Middle East and potentially having the US face a Suez Crisis situation that brought the British Empire to an end?

They will need Pakistan and may offer them in exchange for piece of India (Kashmir etc).

That is a ballsy idea.

 

[fisher1]

Outcome? We can all see the outcome.

China will take over Kashmir then Pakistan or India (India first probably) and be our new colonial master.

I am sure people who warned about the East India company were also ridiculed and look what happened.

All the Pakistanis cheering for a powerful enemy of Muslims to become even more powerful are just fools.

Why should China give Pakistan Kashmir when it can benefit immensely himself? Has China given Xinjiang to us because Muslims live in it? Why should China stop at India when it can take Pakistan in hours after it takes over India and Kashmir?

The self-delusion is real when it comes to China. Did the Iron Brother do anything when India annexed Kashmir? Did the Iron Brother do anything when we were attacked by India last year?

There's a lot of truth in what i speak because people get extremely offended even hearing this. But it's not even unthinkable. The US thinktank and people who really matter have already raised concerns about Pakistan sovereignty being lost to China in coming years and when they speak, we should listen. Because they don't say these things like it's gossip.

For starters, they know exactly how much and under what conditions Pakistan took loans from China which we as Pakistanis don't even know and are kept in dark. For all we know, we have already been sold by Nawaz Sharif to China under CPEC

Heck, most Pakistanis who badmouth west all day don't even know that China never gave us any relief in the loans even during coronavirus pandemic or helped us in anyway. Yet it is west which gave us billions of dollars in Corona aid. It seems like Pakistan doesn't know it's true friends and enemies.

 

[Cliftonite]

Lol Pakistanis think this is all some big plot between Pakistan and CHina to contain India. There is only one reason why CHina is getting so desperate, it is because India is finally completing infra projects that will give it an advantage over China over certain important points. So China attempted to intrude and stop construction, but failed. Hence the buildup and standoff about 500m from LAC.

Failed? They are IN your territory with full abandon and you can't even remove them. India has been embarrassed on the world stage.

 

[Rana4pak]

Now RAZIA GUNDOO MA PUS GYEE: India wants to attack at GB but suddenly China grab her neck .and Nepal is also showing finger to her .now this time India will get slaps at her both cheeks.may be Sikhs .kashmirs and Indians Muslims do some thing’s internally .

 

[Arsalan 345]

Outcome? We can all see the outcome.

China will take over Kashmir then Pakistan or India (India first probably) and be our new colonial master.

I am sure people who warned about the East India company were also ridiculed and look what happened.

All the Pakistanis cheering for a powerful enemy of Muslims to become even more powerful are just fools.

Why should China give Pakistan Kashmir when it can benefit immensely himself? Has China given Xinjiang to us because Muslims live in it? Why should China stop at India when it can take Pakistan in hours after it takes over India and Kashmir?

The self-delusion is real when it comes to China. Did the Iron Brother do anything when India annexed Kashmir? Did the Iron Brother do anything when we were attacked by India last year?

There's a lot of truth in what i speak because people get extremely offended even hearing this. But it's not even unthinkable. The US thinktank and people who really matter have already raised concerns about Pakistan sovereignty being lost to China in coming years and when they speak, we should listen. Because they don't say these things like it's gossip.

For starters, they know exactly how much and under what conditions Pakistan took loans from China which we as Pakistanis don't even know and are kept in dark. For all we know, we have already been sold by Nawaz Sharif to China under CPEC

Heck, most Pakistanis who badmouth west all day don't even know that China never gave us any relief in the loans even during coronavirus pandemic or helped us in anyway. Yet it is west which gave us billions of dollars in Corona aid. It seems like Pakistan doesn't know it's true friends and enemies.

i agree with you to some extent. basically Indian ocean is important for china and yes, we should also worry because there is no guarantee. Indian Kashmir under Chinese control would be okay but china have this expansion policy which can scare any country, even friends.basically united states wants India to fight against china but obviously they are worried about Pakistan too because Pakistan is also an ally,an important ally at a very strategic position. this assumption of china taking control of entire Indian ocean is a possibility.they can harass united states easily from Indian ocean but i think India is not weak.china annexing kashmir is not good for pakistan because china will come much closer to us,uncomfortably closer.

 

[GHALIB]

And Nepal also possibly on the move,

Man, I love politics

nepalis are now communist .

 

[StormBreaker]

nepalis are now communist .

 

[BL33D]

Failed? They are IN your territory with full abandon and you can't even remove them. Bullshit a little less pazheet. India has been embarrassed on the world stage.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1265210308613664769

 

[Death Professor]

What do you think India would do in this case, as Chinese have ingress beyond the line of their own claim and have already made a move.

Well, the border situation is not really going to evolve into something drastic. It's just to remind India that they are there. India can't/won't bite back and India knows that it can't handle 2 front war, neither Chinese would like to exert too much pressure since they don't want an actual war right now. But in the long run, this guy really gets it

India has an ego problem, it sees Pakistan as an eye sore. Things would have been a lot different if Vajpayee-Musharraf talks on Kashmir would have been successful(not really arguing whos fault was it), it would have given India 2-3 decades to build it self up(without any fear of Pakistan, sure Pakistan would have benefited from it too but India would have been a bigger winner out of that peace deal) and now it has to always be on the offensive since the abrogation of 370. The main issue is time, India wants something to happen, they don't Pakistan to recover financially. They tried on 26th Feb and they failed to escalate. That was their best chance, when Pakistan retaliated and captured Abhinandan. Now the only option India has left is posturing, same trick can't be used again, they have to get innovative.