China-India Geopolitics: News & Discussions

[war&peace]

The most interesting thing is they don't even get any support from Bhutan, their "little brother" they volunteered their "help" for.

Bhutan is not their little brother, rather they (indians) have scared and exploited this smallest of the South Asian countries. It is a land-locked country surrounded by mountains and India.

China stayed indifferent to Bhutan and Nepal for a long time and thus they got exploited by hindu baniyas. Remember the mentality of the hindus that they bow before whatever is far more powerful and dangerous (snakes, elephants etc ) and they oppress and exploit whoever is weaker and armless (dalits, minorities, women).
Nepali people hate indians and the same is true for the peaceful people of the Bhutan. In fact no one likes indians in the subcontinent but they seldom speak officially because they are afraid. It is only Pakistan that puts the hindus in their right place every time they try to show muscle and one day we will in-sha-Allah take care of them for good.

 

[Akasa]

So what you mean is that the position MARKED in the Map was INACCURATELY recognized as Mt. Gipmochi. Alternatively Mt. Gipmochi could very well be the marker, but it was inaccurately marked in the map.

Which takes precedence ? the Map or the text ?

This is truly a vexing issue since either could have been the real Marker.

Now considering the disputed status of this territory, it was wrong on part of the Chinese to take a unilateral decision to do construction there. Indians did the right thing in view of this aggression and the Indian demand also seems reasonable.

The chinese demand is unreasonable.

What I meant was that the British marked the junction near what they THOUGHT was Mt. Gipmochi (which was indicated by elevation in the old British map). Newer maps, however, show that Mt. Gipmochi was not the same peak that the British had referred to.

Hence, the real intended British marker would likely have been modern-day Batang La (in line with Indian & Bhutanese claims). However, this hinges upon the assumption that the 1890 British Treaty was indeed based on older & incorrect maps (unfortunately, there is no way of knowing which maps the Treaty's authors used).

Regarding the subsequent military maneuvers, I would say that both sides took unnecessary steps.
1. Obviously, if my above premise is true, China would essentially be building a road inside Bhutanese territory (which, as mentioned before, violates the Sino-Bhutanese Agreement of 1998)
2. However, India's treaty with Bhutan requires Bhutan to explicitly request Indian military assistance before New Delhi could dispatch troops through its territory. So far, it seems like that Bhutan has not done so.

In summary, China is holding steadfast to its own interpretation of the Sino-British Treaty, i.e., the text portion without any consideration of the geological surveys back in the 1800s.

 

[rcrmj]

Modi is insane. He is ignoring all the hard work put in by both sides maintaining years and years of peace at the border.
Absolutely no sense of reality. Does he realized the consequences of war and what it will do to Sino Indo relationship for years to come.

he is an Indian, what do you expect from him? illusion and lack of critical strategic thinking is Indian's nature```

why not 1967 ?



BJP shud have rolled tanks over Karat.

because 1967 was only happened on Bollywood movie, which scripted by high caste slave owners to brainwash simpletons like you lot``

There is no leader in CHina that comes close to Modi. IF anything the Diklam incident shows the rising quality of India's leadership and that in the end democracies throw up far better leaders than dictatorships. As for your 'progress' we can see it has lots of 'Chinese characteristics'- notably a good way of hiding how large parts of your population live under $2 per day

saying Modi is a great leader is like saying India is superpower````

 

[Gadkari]

What I meant was that the British marked the junction near what they THOUGHT was Mt. Gipmochi (which was indicated by elevation in the old British map). Newer maps, however, show that Mt. Gipmochi was not the same peak that the British had referred to.

That is speculation since we do not know if the peak that was marked is the riht marker or Mt. Gipmochi is the right marker.

Hence, the real intended British marker would likely have been modern-day Batang La (in line with Indian & Bhutanese claims). However, this hinges upon the assumption that the 1890 British Treaty was indeed based on older & incorrect maps (unfortunately, there is no way of knowing which maps the Treaty's authors used).

This too is pure speculation. There is no way of knowing what the real intended marker would have been.

Regarding the subsequent military maneuvers, I would say that both sides took unnecessary steps.
1. Obviously, if my above premise is true, China would essentially be building a road inside Bhutanese territory (which, as mentioned before, violates the Sino-Bhutanese Agreement of 1998)
2. However, India's treaty with Bhutan requires Bhutan to explicitly request Indian military assistance before New Delhi could dispatch troops through its territory. So far, it seems like that Bhutan has not done so.

In summary, China is holding steadfast to its own interpretation of the Sino-British Treaty, i.e., the text portion without any consideration of the geological surveys back in the 1800s.

India treaty with Bhutan makes the security of Bhutan , India responsibility. So there is no need for any explicit request for help.

This is of course assuming that the Bhutan govt. did not ask for help or the Indian army did not first brief Bhutan govt. before it took action. Either one or both of this would have taken place.

I fail to see how Indian reaction is wrong. The fault seems to be completely on the side of the Chinese.

 

[Paludism]

What kind of bullsh1t is this? China can very well pay an Indian to denounce India, are Indians gonna buy that? , the true is India dare not to deny what we have declare and been told at their diplomats face that Donglan is Chinese territory since 1890s under China British agreement, and Indians government keep silence all these time without any argument. Indian tactic is so simple, it tried to make this non contest region into contest area so their can interfere, and Chinese government know very well India's intention so we don't negotiate but ask Indian army to leave.

We don't need to pay. There are many already who are denouncing India. Not free though, but for their iwn interests.

 

[Dungeness]

It's sad that no countries support India, not even the US, even though their foreign affairs minister was sent on an around the world begging trip to coax support, especially from white countries:

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/sush...th-china-all-countries-are-with-india-1727090

One could say that no countries have expressed support for China either. But then again, we are by far the stronger party and others' neutrality only plays to our advantage. On the other hand, Hindus need and are desperate for foreign support. This is just like 1962 when US and Soviet non-interference meant our PLA had a free hand to wipe the floor with the Hindus.

I suspect there are many liars and dimwits like this lady or Yogi in BJP government. It is not a good news for a country that has the ambition to become a superpower. They may be elected, but they are just some screw-ups.

 

[hussain0216]

A cold war with China will only help Pakistan hurt india more, it has been a major strategic blunder by the indians

 

[Acknowledge]

India...are you serious? Do you think that the world will help you against China? .....All you will get is lip-service and that too not officially because the world knows your claims are false and China is the true power.

Does the world constitute Pakistan ?
Just like the 'world' knows that Osama bin laden was never hiding in Pakistan, just like the 'world' knows that Pakistan does not support terrorists among other gems.

Spare us your cheerleading. We are handling China. We donot depend on others to bail us out like Pakistan does.

Bhutan is not their little brother, rather they (indians) have scared and exploited this smallest of the South Asian countries. It is a land-locked country surrounded by mountains and India.

China stayed indifferent to Bhutan and Nepal for a long time and thus they got exploited by hindu baniyas ...Remember the mentality of the hindus they bow before whatever is far more powerful and dangerous (snakes, elephants etc ) and they oppress and exploit whoever is weaker and armless...
Nepali people hate indians and the same is true for the peaceful people of the Bhutan. In fact no one likes indians in the subcontinent but they seldom speak officially because they are afraid. It is only Pakistan that puts the hindus in their right place every time they try to show muscle and one day we will in-sha-Allah take care of them for good.

So far the Hindus have whopped and defeated the muslims and put them in their right place - groveling before other powers to support them against India. Pakistan will never be able to defeat the Hindus. Get used to it before we split Pakistan again.

 

[Hellfire]

A cold war with China will only help Pakistan hurt india more, it has been a major strategic blunder by the indians

Care to elaborate on that? I am interested in being educated on this gem you have posted here.

@Nilgiri

 

[kaykay]

Meanwhile Chinese timeline to attack has extended by one more month.....lolz

 

[Hellfire]

I suspect there are many liars and dimwits like this lady or Yogi in BJP government. It is not a good news for a country that has the ambition to become a superpower. They may be elected, but they are just some screw-ups.

I am sure you are more aware of the Indian Foreign ministry than the foreign minister

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Bolsheviks...to the wall...

 

[Rollno21]

the Hindu the communist paper of India. One more try by China but the bottom line no road

 

[kankan326]

India govt overrates and overestimates itself in terms of diplomacy and military power but whenever a reality check comes..it fails miserably but astonishingly indian people have very short memory so they forget the lesson learned and get ready for a new insult and embarrassment...shameless aren't they

Partly agree. Indians don't forget their failure. They just find some awkward excuses for their failure instead. Take the 1962 war as an example. Their excuse is China used fancy words like "brotherhood" to cheat India(Although the fact is China warned India many times before started the war).

 

[Guynextdoor2]

A cold war with China will only help Pakistan hurt india more, it has been a major strategic blunder by the indians

Is there anything that isn't a strategic blunder by the enemies and doesn't help Pakistan? Everything is always helping pak but yet pak is always in the dump.