China-India Geopolitics: News & Discussions

[kaykay]

Well only country which is doing just talks and no action for 2 months is China. India is calm and composed and preparing!!

 

[Afzal2010]

During the Korea War, China warned many times that US army must not to cross 38 line otherwise would interfere. US ignored the warns. We all know what happened.

In 1962, China warned India many times to prevent the "forward policy". Indians ignored China's warns.

During the Vietnam War, China Warned US Must not cross the 17 line. This time US did as China asked.

US knows China's warns would be followed by acts if you don't treat them seriously.

You should only issue a warning once or perhaps twice. Thereafter it becomes plain nagging or whinging

 

[Abingdonboy]

China's economy success has been wildly accepted. But how powerful China's military is now? Unlike economy achievement, people can not be convinced by paper data. Only a real war can test it. Just out of curiosity, I bet the whole world wants to the answer. But the question is who will be the test target? Unexpectedly, it's not US, Japan or Vietnam. Here stepped out the victim: India.

As I said before, India is a dangerous country. Because Indians as a whole are not rational people. They always overestimate themselves and in return make mistakes one after another.

China is not a big talker. Maybe Indians have been used to much talking less doing. But China doesn't behave in that way. Indians should take the warns seriously and get out of China's territory.

Keep talking tough guys, it has been almost 2 months since this stand off begun and your mighty PLA has been unable to move the 'inferior' Indian Army an INCH.

And you accuse Indians over overestimating themselves and yet we've all had to endure literally dozens of empty threats from China promising everything from skirmishes to a full scale war and yet the status quo remains.

The frustration is clearly getting to you guys and you're cracking; your state run media and leadership is foaming at the mouth and it has infected the general public also- great prosperous China with a destiny to become a global superpower is being humiliated by 'inferior,weak and ineffective' India.


Sure, we would all like to know how powerful the PLA really is and let's be sure the IA is itching to show how it deals with bullies.

 

[kankan326]

Keep talking tough guys, it has been almost 2 months since this stand off begun and your mighty PLA has been unable to move the 'inferior' Indian Army an INCH.

And you accuse Indians over overestimating themselves and yet we've all had to endure literally dozens of empty threats from China promising everything from skirmishes to a full scale war and yet the status quo remains.

The frustration is clearly getting to you guys and you're cracking; your state run media and leadership is foaming at the mouth and it has infected the general public also- great prosperous China with a destiny to become a global superpower is being humiliated by 'inferior,weak and ineffective' India.


Sure, we would all like to know how powerful the PLA really is and let's be sure the IA is itching to show how it deals with bullies.

I don't know what your government or medias are feeding you to make you so confident with your army. The fact is, India can not compete with China in everything. What's the odds that you can beat China in war? War capability is pretty much a combination of all fields capabilities.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I don't know what your government or medias are feeding you to make you so confident with your army. The fact is, India can not compete with China in everything. What's the odds that you can beat China in war? War capability is pretty much a combination of all fields capabilities.

Like I said tough guy, if it was so easy why are you letting inferior India humiliate you so badly?

I'd put bets on the hardened professional Indian Military over your conscripts any day.

 

[Brickwall]

China already send man to space and do space docking while India has nothing.

He is not paid but writing reality which is a bitter pill for you to swallow.

Hopefully that Manned space quality is good enough to hold you at least

This is good one 50 cent defending another

 

[Paludism]

I agree with you, that old man looks panic.. keep talking like a common thugs.

According to a scientific research, Indians' mouth moves faster than their brains.
You know the rest.

 

[seven7seven]

Indians mistake China's patience as weakness. However, China is doing the geopolitically prudent thing of showing the World that it is giving India every chance to correct their mistake. The patience China has shown during this stand off is demonstrating to China's neighbours that China does not act rashly and exhausts all diplomatic avenues before resorting to a military resolution. India is misreading China's inaction as an unwillingness to use force but this would be a grave miscalculation. China is just making sure the rest of the world knows that China only uses force when given no other choice. I think the time for china to show its military teeth is coming soon. India will soon realise China now have big teeth and they most certainly will bite.

 

[dreamer4eva]

I strongly suggest that all further threads on this issue be stopped until the first bullet is fired...in the disputed area. Until then it is simply becoming a waste of time opening a thread in the hope of finding that the Chinese have taken credible steps only to find out that some official of China or a member of this forum is issuing yet another warning. No offence to the Chinese members but I really hoped for a better show of strength from your country considering its size economically and militarily

This is strategic posturing mate. There won't be any war, its not that China, India or any other country is scared of war, all depends on the stakes, and in this instance stakes are not that high. Thinking logically, two big countries go to a war over a piece of land which is covered under snow for most of the year.

I have a feeling India was planning this for a long period, they were itching to return 2013 favour, when Chinese stayed in Indian claimed territory for couple of months. IMO, this is the first time Chinese are losing a diplomatic war, usually they are flawless, however, this time they are rattled by Indian resolve. India learned a thing or two from Chinese, they militarised the SCS islands under the presumption that US won't go to battle for the sake of couple of islands, and now India is banking on the same premise.

On a side note, only thing keyboard warriors are good at is breaking their keyboards.

 

[kankan326]

China is a peace-loving country. But if India keeps ignoring the warns, China has no other options and has to resort to non-peaceful methods. This is something China must do. Otherwise India will set a very bad example for all other countries. Which US, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines(even Taiwan and Hongkong) are willing to follow. China will lose its reputation that Chinese tried so hard to build for nearly 70 years. More and bigger troubles will come. The strategic loss is too enormous to be acceptable for China.

If India has made up its mind to have a war with China, China will not disappoint you.

 

[ghauri05]

China is a peace-loving country. But if India keeps ignoring the warns, China has no other options and has to resort to non-peaceful methods. This is something China must do. Otherwise India will set a very bad example for all other countries. Which US, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines(even Taiwan and Hongkong) are willing to follow. China will lose its reputation that Chinese tried so hard to establish for nearly 70 years. More and bigger troubles will come. The strategic loss is too enormous to be acceptable for China.

If India has made up its mind to have a war with China, China will not disappoint you.

Well I think it's China this time...acting irrationally..and just talking.
CHINA HAS DONE NOTHING SO FAR..JUST TO ISSUE STATEMENTS...and when you do that on daily basis..you look like a fool...you should have simply issued a warning once or twice and spent more time in preparations...Because there are definitely some facts here which is ignoring
1. China hasn't been indulged in wars for a while..so it's troops are not battle harened
2. The geography does offer india advantages

So instead of issuing statements China should actually think of strategies on how to achieve victory here.

I am following all the threads on this issue...and it seems..just like india is to Pak..releasing warnings every now and then and Pak just doesn't give a **** to them..and remains calm..China is behaving in the same manner india does to Pak..india behaving similarly to Pak.

 

[Nan Yang]

It's not about being patriotic immigrant (I don't even know what that have to do with anything to begin with) It's about Geopolitics and Military progress. Anyone would have make the same suggestion and observation. It does not matter if the person making it is American, Australian, Chinese or Martian.

Stop being a smart arse if you want people to take your argument seriously, otherwise if you draw in some ridiculous point in your argument, you looks like a joke rather than being serious.



Again, that is not a military achievement, when you are have 250,000 KIA (Conservative number, higher ceiling up to 1 million Chinese died in that war) compare to US 36,000 KIA, the number of men the Chinese can be used other wise to either put in home front and re-develop after the ravaging Civil War or to recapture Taiwan if it wanted to do so Militaristically, the men died in that war deal a major blow to the Chinese development, making it no longer operationally able to do what the Chinese set out to do, which making it a strategic failure and operational failure.

In a war, when we discuss the outcome, we look at it Strategically, Operationally and Tactically.

Strategically, the goal for China is to remove the American Threat to the Chinese Northern Border, by popping up the Northern Regime, but the American Threat has not been removed, which the American is still in South Korea, which mean if and when the American decided to mobilize again, they have the material support from South Korea as well as the mean to initiate the invasion. Unless you think North Korea alone can be used to deal with this without the Help of the Chinese, that threat still remain, the different is just 450 mile further away. Which, to be honest, is not much. Also, if you look at the before and after, the Demarcation line did not change much, which is still quite rightly squared on the 38th parallel, the only difference is that, before the war begin in 1950, there were no US base and no Significant amount of US troop in South Korea, in 2017, the line is the same but there are 43,000 US troop and 20 US bases in South Korea. Some can argue that this war from 1950-1953, attracted the American to settle in South Korea, meaning? this war pull the US threat closer to the Chinese border from the nearest US troop being stationed in Japan in 1950, which is over the sea of Japan, to there are US troop just 450 Miles south of Chinese border in South Korea.

Also, the North Korea have increasing become Chinese Financial, Military, and Political burden, which is not something Chinese want to beginning.

Operationally, Chinese have a significant shortage of men which limited what China can do after the Korea War. Which mean the Chinese failed this Operationally because of this war, Chinese recovery has been basically longer and more painful.

Tactically, it is a draw, because neither China and UN can achieve their goal, US wanted to roll over North Korea, which is a mistake as I pointed out before, which is not to be, and the Chinese wanted to roll over the South, which is not to be as well, and the war stopped (NOT ENDED) almost the same as where it started.

To you, maybe the Romantic account of how Chinese Soldier died in herd bravely under the American Machine gun and air attack stopped the American invasion into the North is something of a good thing, but in military account, it meant nothing as that is not any sort of achievement, these people died while did not achieve anything in a grand scheme of thing, people died, the line is the same, the situation is the same, again, the only different is, there weren't any US troop before the war, there are now. So, in term of military goal, 250,000 Chinese died did not earn Chinese anything. Other than a state to feed and a scare of Refugee crisis over the Chinese border had the North Korea steam into trouble again.



You are mistaken the assumption of Chinese Not Helping the North Korean (Which is the scenario I purposed) and Chinese help but lose the War. Don't forget had Chinese not intervene, the Chinese can use the people they use to fight in Korea for other objective.

Had the war ended in MacArthur favour without Chinese intervention, he would have return to Japan and continue to be the governor of Japan, the US position at that point in time is focus on Japan, not Korea, that is the reason why the American do not have any amount of troop in South Korea in 1950, the first fighting troop in South Korea is Task Force Smith of the 24th Infantry Division, which is 408 soldiers arrived in South Korea in July 1, 1950 from Garrison in Japan. 6 Days after the start of hostility. The US government weren't even bothered with rearming the South Korea prior to Korea war, citing the risk of the South would use the power to invade the North and drag US into a war they do not want.

Had the South Rolled over the North, the South Korean president Rhee would most likely invite the American to leave because the American Stance toward the Japanese. And there are absolutely no reason as to why the United States have to stay once the Korea peninsular is reunified. Which is again the reason why US would not help the South Korean before the hostility.

The problem is, had Chinese not intervene, the Chinese can use those force otherwise fought in Korea on recapturing Taiwan. The Taiwan Problem would be the same, the level of support the American gave to Taiwan is at maximum after the KMT government to chased back to a tiny island, what the KMT is waiting on is a Coup de grâce, the final assault that never came. Because the troop the Chinese need to retake Taiwan in the final assault has been used in Korea. Had Chinese not help the North, this is most likely the case where the Chinese will use the troop to attack Taiwan. Which I don't think American can do anything when they are fighting another war in the North.

In fact, some can actually argue had China not intervene in the North Korean war, the US have to be careful because of the millions (It is estimated 1.5 to 3 millions Chinese fought in Korea) The American may actually have to surrender Taiwan or Korea or both to consolidate their position elsewhere in South East Asia (namely in South Vietnam, Philippine and Japan). Afterall, 1.5 (low estimate) millions troop in Chinese Reserve is actually quite a scary number, and basically Chinese just dish this out on a foreign land in Korea, and with the US in their best position, which is with UN support, now imagine if Chinese uses these troop against the US in South East Asia alone? Without the help of the UN, without the help of the 600,000 strong South Korean? They could have achieve more than they did in Korean War.

Its a draw, China achieve nothing, US could have move on to Beijing, US would have withdraw to Japan.
Gosh make up your mind.

China had to intervene. Mao knew if MacArthur reach the Yalu nothing would have stop him from moving on to Beijing and war inside Chinese territories. That's a no no. China could not take any chance. Yes it meant Taiwan had to wait. It was either Taiwan or maybe even loose all China. And China DID have 60 years of peace in the North East buffered by N Korea. It is S Korea and US bases that is now threaten by N Korea. Not China. What use is US bases in Korea but targets for both N Korean and China. US should just withdraw. But US cant so US is stuck there even if they are just targets.
At least the war show the world how laundry men managed to fight a superpower US to a standstill.

And yes the Korean war memorial was not build until the 1990s. Much later then the Vietnam war memorial which was build in the 1980s even thought Vietnam war was much later. To say Korean was not important because it was sandwich between 2 bigger wars ? So what were people thinking for 20 years BEFORE the Vietnam war even started !

You brought up other wars at China's border. What the heck for ?

 

[third eye]

China is not a big talker.

Now, this is seriously funny.

The net has been flooded with Chinese Govt controlled media making threats .. China is not a big talker ?

When China warned the US not to declare war on DPRK after her first nuclear test, US obeys. After years of testing nukes and ballistic missiles, still US don't dare touch DPRK.

The reason is this :

No one wants to wrestle with a Pig,there are far less dirty means to control a Pig.

When China warns India to get the f00k out of China's territory, they don't take our warning serious.

Remember what China said to Japan recently ? ' Get used to it"

 

[Beast]

It's life saving Medicine and they are not ready to down the rate of Medicine which some people could't afford so India taken,

Your's is here and Most Danger Thief in the world

For the best part India no need to teach any one,

How do you explain copy of guns? Don't avoid the accusation. As I say India is not qualify to lecture China.

 

[Chellam]

How do you explain copy of guns? Don't avoid the accusation. As I say India is not qualify to lecture China.

I am not avoided any accusation, but it's you guys always avoid accusation

again we don't need to teach any one