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This is not a question of IF, rather when it is going to happen. I would caution that Beijing has made some moves to delay the bust.


Imagine that your local city and county controlled all land rights, and the only ownership a private builder or developer could secure was a long-term lease. Now imagine that 40% of the city and county's revenues come from the lease fees paid by developers. Next, imagine a giant real estate bubble has priced most residents out of the market, and that the local governments are reaping huge gains as the development rights and leases they sell are skyrocketing.

Can you say conflict of interest?

That's the Chinese real estate dynamic in a nutshell. Local governments have every incentive to push lease prices higher, further fueling China's real estate bubble, and zero incentive to build low-cost housing for the average citizen.

Who Benefits

Minxin Pei, professor of government at Claremont McKenna College and a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, recently described who benefits from what he termed China's "irrationally exuberant" property market: Local government and its officials, and state-owned enterprises (SEOs), which have exploited their ties to government-controlled banks to enter the speculative real estate market with a vengeance.

"With access to almost unlimited no-cost credit from the state-controlled banking system," he wrote, "these behemoths have abused their financial clout and plunged headlong into the real estate market, snapping up high-priced land and investing in high-end residential housing units that now sit empty across the country."

Once you understand this dynamic, it's not difficult to see why China's housing bubble will end badly. Local governments are so heavily dependent on development fees and taxes for their revenues that any fallback in new development will spell catastrophe for city and regional government budgets.

Who Pays for the Bailout

Who will lose when the bubble inevitably deflates?

Residents will suffer because government services will have to be slashed as revenues from development fees collapse.

The Chinese investors who overpaid for grossly inflated luxury condos will suffer massive losses, developers dependent on a fast-rising bubble market will go bust, and somebody will end up covering the losses as bankrupt developers renege on their loans.

Since most of the loans came from government-owned banks, then that "somebody" will be the Chinese taxpayer. Sound familiar?

"China's taxpayers will twice be made the victims by the housing bubble," Professor Pei noted. "In the bubble years, they're priced out of the market for affordable housing. When the bubble bursts, they'll pay for the cleanup. When Chinese state-owned banks write off their bad loans, they don't do so with money growing on trees. Instead, the Ministry of Finance will issue bonds to recapitalize the banks -- and fund the bailout with future tax receipts."

How Big a Bubble?

Recent reports estimate there are 64.5 million vacant "investment" flats in China. Analyst Andy Xie recently laid out the risks this giant speculative bubble poses to China's local governments and banks.

"Local governments in China depend on real-estate deals for revenue and could default if the market falls too far," he wrote. "Notice the bind China is in. It has to keep the bubble going to preserve local government finances. They've become a classic Minsky Ponzi unit."

If the Chinese central government keeps the bubble inflated with easy money, Xie concluded, the resulting crash and bailout will only be that much more painful.

Local Officials Benefit Personally from Bubble

While contributions from property developers tend to have outsized political influence in much of the world, local government officials in China are brazenly pocketing the proceeds from development. For example, the majority of homes in a newly launched subsidized housing project in Shaanxi Province have been handed to local government officials.

Add up these factors -- widespread corruption, a real estate bubble that's priced average citizens out of the market, local governments dependent on new development for their revenues and a government-run banking sector that will turn to taxpayers to fund the inevitable bailout -- and there's plenty of fuel for taxpayer resentment and anger once the bubble pops.

Sound familiar?

Based on the accounts of these analysts, Chinese taxpayers will soon have common ground with their American counterparts: They, too, will be stuck paying for the bailout of private developers and government-controlled banks (which in the U.S. are called Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac)

See full article from DailyFinance: Why China's Housing Bubble Will End Badly - DailyFinance
 
Misery loves company. The USA crashed because the lending was out of control, however the lending in China has been strongly reigned in by the Government, which is currently trying to "cool" the economy.

China boosted the lending rates of banks, only in order to prevent a downturn during the Credit Crunch, and they succeeded. Now they have pulled them back strongly, by constantly raising the reserve requirements.

The Chinese government is well aware of the dangers of asset price bubbles, and they are taking the right steps to fix it before it becomes a real problem. The current Government initiative to cool down the economy may cost us slightly in economic growth, but it will also prevent bubbles from causing problems in the future.
 
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china's economical system doesn't work like the US system.
if current inflation makes china in trouble; india is even in a bigger bigger deeps **** with their double-digit inflation..
 
there is no upside to china bubble bursting for anyone. last thing the world needs is your economy crashing too. But rising rates have not slowed the rising house prices and as the article points , why would local govt be incentivized to lower prices?
 
china's economical system doesn't work like the US system.
if current inflation makes china in trouble; india is even in a bigger bigger deeps **** with their double-digit inflation..

LOL. It's obvious you did not read the article. you're talking about something that has nothing to do with what's in the article. No US , NO India , NO bogeyman. take a deep breath and read...
 
IMF:China's growth projected to be 10.5 percent in 2010, 9.6 percent in 2011

WASHINGTON, Oct. 6 (Xinhua) -- China's growth is projected to average 10.5 percent in 2010 and 9.6 percent in 2011, driven by domestic demand, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said in a report Wednesday.

The Washington-based international lending agency made the projection for the annual fall meetings this weekend of the 187-nation IMF and its sister lending organization, the World Bank.

"The slight moderation in recent activity is expected to continue through 2011 in light of tighter quantitative limits on credit growth, measures to cool off the property market and limit bank exposure to this, and the planned unwinding of fiscal stimulus in 2011," the IMF said in its report.

The report said this year's sustained growth in retail sales and industrial production confirms that private sector activity has advanced beyond the lift from government stimulus.

"On average over 2010-11, private domestic demand is poised to contribute two-thirds of near term growth, and government activity about one third, whereas the contribution from net exports will be close to zero," the report said.

Despite the robustness in domestic demand, the pickup in inflation in 2010 reflected mainly higher food prices rather than core inflation, the report said.

The report said China's increasingly wide trading network is driving growth in numerous economies, especially commodity exporters.

The report said Asia's medium-term growth depends on the rebalancing of drivers of growth -- greater reliance should be put on domestic markets instead of foreign demand.

The report said such a rebalancing in China, the world's second largest economy, is critical to enhance the role of household consumption in domestic growth.

The report also recommended that China implement reforms to health care, education, and pension systems to enhance the social safety net.
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there is no upside to china bubble bursting for anyone. last thing the world needs is your economy crashing too. But rising rates have not slowed the rising house prices and as the article points , why would local govt be incentivized to lower prices?

If the Chinese central government keeps the bubble inflated with easy money, Xie concluded, the resulting crash and bailout will only be that much more painful.

That's just the thing. The Chinese government is trying to stop the flow of easy money into property by reigning in the Banks, and cutting down on the amount of money they can lend. That is what will end up lowering the prices.

As to your other point, Local government answers to the National government.
 
LOL. It's obvious you did not read the article. you're talking about something that has nothing to do with what's in the article. No US , NO India , NO bogeyman. take a deep breath and read...

He's responding to an Indian posting negative articles about China in the China defence section.
 
Again, no context. (Lies - falsity, omissions, out of context; any thing else can add.)

They will keeping hiking rates till the market "crashes" to their satisfaction. Bernake will keep flooding the market with money till the bubble comes back again.

That is the Zhongguo US chasm.
 
Again, no context. (Lies - falsity, omissions, out of context; any thing else can add.)

They will keeping hiking rates till the market "crashes" to their satisfaction. Bernake will keep flooding the market with money till the bubble comes back again.

That is the Zhongguo US chasm.

You and your cryptic posts.
 
Yawn... this news has been around for longer than a couple of years. The government is trying to slow down the housing lending, but the big difference here is leverage: the 1st home deposit in China is ~30%, 2nd home deposit is minimum 50%, no mortgage allowed for 3rd homes -- has to be cash only. Also a lot of people buy their homes with financing from families with minimal bank lending, very different from the mortgage crisis happened in the US.

The chinese housing market is probably heading for a slow down, but not crash landing. But hey, if you think China is heading for an US style crash and bailout, why not short the banks and make some cool cash? ICBC, BOC, China Construction and Agricultural Bank of China are all traded in hong kong, go short the hell out it and wait for their bailouts (or state capital injections in this case).
 
I think China is taking strong steps to cool down its over inflated property market to aviod a total collapse. I believe reading recently that Chinese banks have tightened loan regulations and have completely stopped real estate investment loans..

Some Chinese members can shed better light!
 
Yawn... this news has been around for longer than a couple of years. The government is trying to slow down the housing lending, but the big difference here is leverage: the 1st home deposit in China is ~30%, 2nd home deposit is minimum 50%, no mortgage allowed for 3rd homes -- has to be cash only. Also a lot of people buy their homes with financing from families with minimal bank lending, very different from the mortgage crisis happened in the US.

The chinese housing market is probably heading for a slow down, but not crash landing. But hey, if you think China is heading for an US style crash and bailout, why not short the banks and make some cool cash? ICBC, BOC, China Construction and Agricultural Bank of China are all traded in hong kong, go short the hell out it and wait for their bailouts (or state capital injections in this case).

you do know that your premise is not factually correct, yeah? for if it was_ home prices would be coming down and not continue to rise. This is not a thing of past ( the article link I posted and many such others are very recent), it's very much alive and kicking right now.

Sure it's not going to be a bust at the level of the crash the US faced( thank god for that, I would not wish it on anybody), but a china housing bust would still adversely affect the US and world economy. so again, there is no upside for anyone when and not IF it happens.
 
Sure it's not going a bust at the level of the crash the US faced( thank god for that, I would not wish it on anybody), but a china housing bust would still adversely affect the US and world economy. so again, there is no upside for anyone when and not IF it happens.

There are so many of these "predictions" everywhere, I just read an article from an Indian think tank dated at 2008, saying that China was surely going to collapse due to the Credit crunch by at least 2010. As usual, the prediction was wrong.

Sure there is likely going to be a slow down in the Chinese property market, but like you yourself said... comparing it with the "US style" asset bubble collapse is, in my opinion, just plain wrong.
 
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