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China have to be Hated to be Strong? The rising of next Superpower

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One night, me and my wife were watching World News. We started a pretty heated discuss ending up she swore at me in Swedish and I have to do all the dishes for the rest of the week.....

The problem is do everybody need to hate China for it to become a superpower?

When you look back to all the superpower, tracing from the Alexander the great and his Macedonia Empire to Julian/Julius Caesar of the Roman Empire, Ganghis Khan and his Mogol Empire, to the British Empire to the current day, the United States. What all these superpower have in common? People hate them.

Doesn't matter if you are a Friend or Foe of those empire, people regardless hate their regime. Their way to do business with other country, their emperialism and their expansion, not one of the empire we can truely called "Loved by all" Why?

The truth lies in their way to become a superpower. While they are ranged in different timeline, there are one thing in common to all the superpower, matter not they are from 1450BC or 1945 AD, they were expansionist.

Everybody know not a single country can survive on their own, country need resource, and there is yet to ahve a country that blessed with every resources they need, so you need to find them and get them from another country.

Expansionism is a doctorine that either use Economic Strength or Military Power to induce foreign influence, hence either bribe or force the other party into their own regime. This comes from the ages of trade where shipborne trader establish trade route to "New World" and then on the way, they stop and conquer and fortified those stop toward the trade route then finally the route itself, they do this to maintain a steady flow of resource and provide security for the merchant.

It does not matter if your expansion is fast or slow, you bound to set out enemy. People you conquer, people you don't bribe, people who you have taken the resource from will hate your guts. Hence war, is inevitable. But the one irony the expanionistism is, you need to use those conquered land to defend against your expansion obstacle. Much like macedonian and persian, and United States and the Middle East. You conquer them to either provide a safe passage or to secure your resource.

However, this is not always the case that you will success, over the course of history, many many more civilisation or country got wipe from the map just because of their own Expansion or someone else's So, once you tended for the bid to become a superpower, you need a big military to be able to afford the price. Doesn't matter if it's your 30 Roman Legion or a large US Fleet.

Soldier make trouble, that is a universial truth, so people they conquer will not hold graditute but grudges, and to be very honest, when you expand enough, you will bound to make a decision to piss off some of your friend too, so, not only the people you conquer hates you, but also your friend hates you.

There are another way to become a superentities (Note, not superpower) that's throught Unionism, which is probably most heard during recently, it is a more republic method to conquer the world by adopting a Union Management, pass example such as the Soviet Union or the Current European Union. Those are the communion of a collective country and share everything to become a super-entities.

Over the course of history, whenever expansionist meet unionist, 9 out nof 10 times the expansionist win. The problem is when you share everything, in the end no one entity have the most while you expand and conquer, you did made a lot of enemy but you do have a lot of resource in return. When the expansionist eat up the union bit by bit and the union will simply fall.

However, as with any other Expansionist, there are end game for them too, either the empire is too great to control and dissolve, or they were met with another bigger and stronger empire, or simply the command of the empire drove the empire to the ground. Eitherway, from all of the human history, there weren't a single entitity that can survive forever.

Fast forward to present, Where China set to become another superpower after Soviet Russia falls. Can any one imagine the road for China to become the Superpower? Will they be the expansionist like the America or will they be a Unionist like the European Union? Or is there a way for China to become a Superpower without pissing off everyone in its course? My wife seems to think it will be the first one, what do you people in this forum think?

Constructive Comment Welcome, Troll can leave now, thanks
 
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That's why there's no reason for us Chinese to even comment on this troll thread.

lol comment before you even read the article, that already illustrate my point
If you read the content you will know the article is NOT china bashing at all.

But i guess it useless for your input anyway, so, see ya
 
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lol comment before you even read the article, that already illustrate my point
If you read the content you will know the article is NOT china bashing at all.

But i guess it useless for your input anyway, so, see ya

You got your answer from the replys of members of the concerned country.
 
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i think your title is not appropriate.even we Chinese people do not think we will become the next superpower,why do you think we are?we may achieve No 1 GDP in next 20 years or more.But the biggest economy does not equal to superpower.All superpowers in history are not only have developed economy but also have strong military power,and the most important,is they have expansionist.Material basis such as good economy or sophisticated weapons can be got through long-term efforts,but expansionist is not a thing that can easily accepted by a nation accustomed to defense.Confucianism emphasizes peace, not war
 
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You got your answer from the replys of members of the concerned country.

I don't intent to bash on anyone (cept for those troll who don't read the stuff they are suppose to comment at)

I wanted an discussion but i guess now troll just stroll around the world, it's hard to have a real discussion unless i am in a civilize world.
 
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One night, me and my wife were watching World News. We started a pretty heated discuss ending up she swore at me in Swedish and I have to do all the dishes for the rest of the week.....

The problem is do everybody need to hate China for it to become a superpower?

When you look back to all the superpower, tracing from the Alexander the great and his Macedonia Empire to Julian/Julius Caesar of the Roman Empire, Ganghis Khan and his Mogol Empire, to the British Empire to the current day, the United States. What all these superpower have in common? People hate them.

Doesn't matter if you are a Friend or Foe of those empire, people regardless hate their regime. Their way to do business with other country, their emperialism and their expansion, not one of the empire we can truely called "Loved by all" Why?

The truth lies in their way to become a superpower. While they are ranged in different timeline, there are one thing in common to all the superpower, matter not they are from 1450BC or 1945 AD, they were expansionist.

Everybody know not a single country can survive on their own, country need resource, and there is yet to ahve a country that blessed with every resources they need, so you need to find them and get them from another country.

Expansionism is a doctorine that either use Economic Strength or Military Power to induce foreign influence, hence either bribe or force the other party into their own regime. This comes from the ages of trade where shipborne trader establish trade route to "New World" and then on the way, they stop and conquer and fortified those stop toward the trade route then finally the route itself, they do this to maintain a steady flow of resource and provide security for the merchant.

It does not matter if your expansion is fast or slow, you bound to set out enemy. People you conquer, people you don't bribe, people who you have taken the resource from will hate your guts. Hence war, is inevitable. But the one irony the expanionistism is, you need to use those conquered land to defend against your expansion obstacle. Much like macedonian and persian, and United States and the Middle East. You conquer them to either provide a safe passage or to secure your resource.

However, this is not always the case that you will success, over the course of history, many many more civilisation or country got wipe from the map just because of their own Expansion or someone else's So, once you tended for the bid to become a superpower, you need a big military to be able to afford the price. Doesn't matter if it's your 30 Roman Legion or a large US Fleet.

Soldier make trouble, that is a universial truth, so people they conquer will not hold graditute but grudges, and to be very honest, when you expand enough, you will bound to make a decision to piss off some of your friend too, so, not only the people you conquer hates you, but also your friend hates you.

There are another way to become a superentities (Note, not superpower) that's throught Unionism, which is probably most heard during recently, it is a more republic method to conquer the world by adopting a Union Management, pass example such as the Soviet Union or the Current European Union. Those are the communion of a collective country and share everything to become a super-entities.

Over the course of history, whenever expansionist meet unionist, 9 out nof 10 times the expansionist win. The problem is when you share everything, in the end no one entity have the most while you expand and conquer, you did made a lot of enemy but you do have a lot of resource in return. When the expansionist eat up the union bit by bit and the union will simply fall.

However, as with any other Expansionist, there are end game for them too, either the empire is too great to control and dissolve, or they were met with another bigger and stronger empire, or simply the command of the empire drove the empire to the ground. Eitherway, from all of the human history, there weren't a single entitity that can survive forever.

Fast forward to present, Where China set to become another superpower after Soviet Russia falls. Can any one imagine the road for China to become the Superpower? Will they be the expansionist like the America or will they be a Unionist like the European Union? Or is there a way for China to become a Superpower without pissing off everyone in its course? My wife seems to think it will be the first one, what do you people in this forum think?

Constructive Comment Welcome, Troll can leave now, thanks

Only a nation with self-confidence and its ability to dominate the world culturally and economically tends to become a superpower. Look at the UK - around the world people grew up BBC, Enid Blyton, Sherlock Holmes, colonial clubs, golf etc ate sandwiches, jam etc. UK culturally dominated the planet. Today America dominates the world with Hollywood, Google, Apple, Microsoft - pretty much everything. I don't see China culturally dominating the world - ever. Its inability to project its soft power prevents it from being a superpower. It does not produce anything innovative. No one is clamoring for anything Chinese.
 
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i think your title is not appropriate.even we Chinese people do not think we will become the next superpower,why do you think we are?we may achieve No 1 GDP in next 20 years or more.But the biggest economy does not equal to superpower.All superpowers in history are not only have developed economy but also have strong military power,and the most important,is they have expansionist.Material basis such as good economy or sophisticated weapons can be got through long-term efforts,but expansionist is not a thing that can easily accepted by a nation accustomed to defense.Confucianism emphasizes peace, not war

Finally a real comment from China.

Is my title bias? Probably, but that's the truth. As for inapporiate, i don't really think so.

Face it, China will become the next superpower, one may actually take over the US in its current mode.

Economy will not growth unless you have assert your influence to somewhere in the globe that you do not have power to and you want them, by then you are expanding your influence, whether you feel it or like it or not. Oil, for an example, China being the 3rd Largest Oil Import country, domestic oil production only fulfill 2/3 of the Chinese internal market, how to Chinese work to maintain oil supply that did not related to conflict?

To say Chinese is only hoping for Regional Power may be true now, but only if Chinese contain its growth (andd it is impossible and ridiculous to do so) The rate the Chinese growth it will soon turn from an export state into import state, which cannot be escape when China really develope as a country.
 
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Ive said this many times before.

China isn't going to become a superpower in the 21st century. This century will undoubtedly be lead by the United States.

China has much more to develop, it needs to transition to a democracy, and it needs to alleviate social inequality. It is still a middle income country.

Lets not delude ourselves just because the country has experienced 30 odd years of growth.
 
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Only a nation with self-confidence and its ability to dominate the world culturally and economically tends to become a superpower. Look at the UK - around the world people grew up BBC, Enid Blyton, Sherlock Holmes, colonial clubs, golf etc ate sandwiches, jam etc. UK culturally dominated the planet. Today America dominates the world with Hollywood, Google, Apple, Microsoft - pretty much everything. I don't see China culturally dominating the world - ever. Its inability to project its soft power prevents it from being a superpower. It does not produce anything innovative. No one is clamoring for anything Chinese.

that is excatly the point i ask the question, the Chinese currently do not have enough power to exert control to any part of the world, set aside if the world want China to become a Superpower, the problem is the way they do it now and will make many enemy on the road, there are alraedy one thing the Chinese dominate the world, that's their language, almost anywhere you go, you will hear people speaking chinese in one form or another.
 
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that is excatly the point i ask the question, the Chinese currently do not have enough power to exert control to any part of the world, set aside if the world want China to become a Superpower, the problem is the way they do it now and will make many enemy on the road, there are alraedy one thing the Chinese dominate the world, that's their language, almost anywhere you go, you will hear people speaking chinese in one form or another.

Some of Chinese trolls in this forum already thinking that they are bigger than everything in this world. Sad.
 
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China? Superpower? The so called superpower got spanking in 1979 by a small nation named Vietnam. That so called superpower dont have guts to confront not only nuclear India and Japan. Citizen of this so called superpower have not basic rights which even African citizens have. Millions of poor are rotting in poverty in this so called superpower. China is laughing stock if they are claiming that they are next superpower.

Not now, they aren't but world need superpower and seems like US can't be one or the only one soon, their economy is based on the oil reserve and the only thing holding US together from Bankrupcy is their Superpower status and their military power. But face it, it's not gonna last forever. There will be time for US to step down. But who will step up for their place?

Maybe superpower is a strong word for now, when you growth you expand, that's true for the course of history and for any nation in this world, and when you growth you make enemys. That's also the way it is.

Ive said this many times before.

China isn't going to become a superpower in the 21st century. This century will undoubtedly be lead by the United States.

China has much more to develop, it needs to transition to a democracy, and it needs to alleviate social inequality. It is still a middle income country.

Lets not delude ourselves just because the country has experienced 30 odd years of growth.

I don't think Chinese need to develop more and certainly don't need to become democracy to be a superpower, look at soviet union, where you have limited development and certainly no transprency to democracy. They are a superpower that balance the US during cold war.
 
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