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The file photo shows one Forbes magazine cover featuring Bill Gates among the 70 most powerful people around the world. [Photo: xwh.cn]

The newly-released Forbes' billionaires list shows there are 70 more people from China being added to the ranks.

Among them, Wang Jianlin, CEO of Wanda, is now among the top 20 wealthiest people in the world.

At the same time, Zhou Qunfei, founder of Shenzhen-based Lens Technology, has been listed as the richest self-made woman in the world.

Among the 18-hundred billionaires around the world, US still has the most, with 540.

China has 250, while Germany clocks-in with 120 billionaires.

Microsoft founder Bill Gates remains the world's richest person.

Zara fashion chain founder Amancio Ortega now sits 2nd on the list.
 
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I am puzzled with this chart. A couple of years back, there was a survey, and 60% Americans surveyed said that they couldn't come up with $2000 for emergency in 30 days. Is this chart for Net worth? Average US couple has $700K net worth? I doubt it.
 
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I am puzzled with this chart. A couple of years back, there was a survey, and 60% Americans surveyed said that they couldn't come up with $2000 for emergency in 30 days. Is this chart for Net worth? Average US couple has $700K net worth? I doubt it.

That's why "average" anything is meaningless.

Plus keep in mind most people's assets are not very liquid.
You could have $800K in your 401K and a paid-off house worth $!M and not be able to come up with $5000 easily in a month.
 
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That's why "average" anything is meaningless.

Plus keep in mind most peoples assets are not very liquid.
You could have $800K in your 401K and a house worth $!M and not be able to come up with $5000 easily in a month.


It doesn't add up:

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Correct this is "median" not "average"

Right!

Seriously, if you calculate the average net worth of top 300 million Chinese, it could very well be more than that of US. Every Chinese I know of has higher net worth than me, including my retired parents.
 
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Right!

Seriously, if you calculate the average net worth of top 300 million Chinese, it could very well be more than that of US. Every Chinese I know of has higher net worth than me, including my retired parents.

I suppose it depends upon the state where you live. Some states all full of relatively wealthy people and others are not.

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So I'm in MA so I see wealth..if I was in AZ I'd see nothing.
 
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I suppose it depends upon the state where you live. Some states all full of relatively wealthy people and others are not.

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So I'm in MA so I see wealth..if I was in AZ I'd see nothing.


I am in WA, so 100K is median household net worth. It is really not that much. Anyone owns a condo in China's major cities should have more than that.
 
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I am in WA, so 100K is median household net worth. It is really not that much. Anyone owns a condo in China's major cities should have more than that.

Well, this is not how you sampling.........

While when you talk about average net worth of United States. You talked about everyone which included the homeless guy live in the corner of the street and the dude that own a 16 room 10 bath mansion.

However, everyone in China that own a condo or apartment in major city is not "Anyone" to begin with, that alone is a selective sample. While at the same time, you discounted the lower or upper end of the scale, so if you compare the average net wealth of American Citizens by state to "Anyone" owns a condo in major Chinese cities, that comparison is not fair as you are putting an average versus the median of selected group.

If you really want to look at wealth distribution across different spectrum of people, you need to select a certain group of each sample. And compare them, not regarding the average condition, but regarding the group that are in on the Standard Deviation.

Say for example, you want to compare "anyone" own a condo in Major Chinese cities, then you will need to compare "anyone" own a condo in Major US cities. Instead of comparing the mean wealth of American.

The problem is, even then you will still have a different picture, because

1.) A condo in the US in major cities have a different price than a condo in China.
2.) The percentage of population (that's represented average net wealth) that own a condo in US major cities is different than the percentage of population that own a condo in major Chinese cities.

Therefore, as @Hamartia Antidote said, Average is useless in comparison in topic like this.
 
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Well, this is not how you sampling.........

While when you talk about average net worth of United States. You talked about everyone which included the homeless guy live in the corner of the street and the dude that own a 16 room 10 bath mansion.

However, everyone in China that own a condo or apartment in major city is not "Anyone" to begin with, that alone is a selective sample. While at the same time, you discounted the lower or upper end of the scale, so if you compare the average net wealth of American Citizens by state to "Anyone" owns a condo in major Chinese cities, that comparison is not fair as you are putting an average versus the median of selected group.

If you really want to look at wealth distribution across different spectrum of people, you need to select a certain group of each sample. And compare them, not regarding the average condition, but regarding the group that are in on the Standard Deviation.
Well, this is not how you sampling.........

While when you talk about average net worth of United States. You talked about everyone which included the homeless guy live in the corner of the street and the dude that own a 16 room 10 bath mansion.

However, everyone in China that own a condo or apartment in major city is not "Anyone" to begin with, that alone is a selective sample. While at the same time, you discounted the lower or upper end of the scale, so if you compare the average net wealth of American Citizens by state to "Anyone" owns a condo in major Chinese cities, that comparison is not fair as you are putting an average versus the median of selected group.

If you really want to look at wealth distribution across different spectrum of people, you need to select a certain group of each sample. And compare them, not regarding the average condition, but regarding the group that are in on the Standard Deviation.

Say for example, you want to compare "anyone" own a condo in Major Chinese cities, then you will need to compare "anyone" own a condo in Major US cities. Instead of comparing the mean wealth of American.

The problem is, even then you will still have a different picture, because

1.) A condo in the US in major cities have a different price than a condo in China.
2.) The percentage of population (that's represented average net wealth) that own a condo in US major cities is different than the percentage of population that own a condo in major Chinese cities.

Therefore, as @Hamartia Antidote said, Average is useless in comparison in topic like this.


Say for example, you want to compare "anyone" own a condo in Major Chinese cities, then you will need to compare "anyone" own a condo in Major US cities. Instead of comparing the mean wealth of American.

The problem is, even then you will still have a different picture, because

1.) A condo in the US in major cities have a different price than a condo in China.
2.) The percentage of population (that's represented average net wealth) that own a condo in US major cities is different than the percentage of population that own a condo in major Chinese cities.

Therefore, as @Hamartia Antidote said, Average is useless in comparison in topic like this.

China's home ownership is much higher than in the US at 93%. So when I said anyone in major Chinese cities, it means hundreds of million people. There was a statistics published by Chinese gov few years ago, average household wealth in the city is about 470K RMB, roughly $80K. No as high as US, of course, but the difference is not by the order of magnitude. And that was few years ago.

I am not here to discuss wealth distribution of two societies. I am just saying my very subjective personal point of view. Being getting well about average income in the US, I felt like a cheapskate there. Have you been to China, by the way?
 
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China's home ownership is much higher than in the US at 93%. So when I said anyone in major Chinese cities, it means hundreds of million people. There was a statistics published by Chinese gov few years ago, average household wealth in the city is about 470K RMB, roughly $80K. No as high as US, of course, but the difference is not by the order of magnitude. And that was few years ago.

Again, that's different.

The problem is that you did not factor in anything and simply compare the raw data one on one. It cannot and will not represent the real situation because the data have no relationship with each other. Even when you compare between Home Ownership for the 2 countries?

Simple question which can impact the interpretation of the data. Question such as

The definition of Home Ownership,
The average price of a Home in China and US
The percentage of urban, suburban, rural population in the US and China

The problem is, the currency itself is also a question. In the US, if the average household wealth is 80k, then you are probably below poverty line. But in China, 80,000 USD per family would lead you an average to middle class life. Of course, 80k wealth would not be enough for you to live in the major City in China, but 80K in US for a family would not be enough to live ANYWHERE.

As I said, it's of no point to compare raw data one on one.

I am not here to discuss wealth distribution of two societies. I am just saying my very subjective personal point of view. Being getting well about average income in the US, I felt like a cheapskate there. Have you been to China, by the way?

That's have something to do with your own expenditure and the way you spend your money.

Are you alone in the US? Your family does not have properties in the US? Or there are no one you can rely on in the US? Having family properties would basically save you up more than half your expenditure. I used to live with my family in the US, I don't need to pay rent, I don't need to pay for groceries, that's why if I earn way below par, I still lead a good life. I earn about 50,000 USD per year with the US Army, the only expense is 12,000 a year to my mum back in 2004/2005. After Tax and other small expenditure, I have about 20,000 USD saved up every year. (I got around 34,000 USD after tax)

Then I move to England for 2 years, I earn about 70,000 GBP a year working in private sector (About 106,000 USD). Well above what the average British Earn, then I need to pay rent which is about 300 quid per week in greater London (That's 18000 GBP there), and then food and transport cost me another ~100 pounds per week, that's 6,000 a year, and then you have all sort of expense, such as medical insurance. Home insurance (which I don't need to pay before), council bill, water, electric, phone, internet etc. That's another 5,000 a year. After tax, I got about 45,000 GBP left, after lodging, I got about 27,000 GBP left, and after weekly expenses, I got about 12,000 GBP left. Which is about 16,000 USD. Even tho I earn 2.5 times more then before, I have less money saved up....My colleague, earn a bit less than me, drive an Aston Martin...... I drove a Honda Civic....

And by the way, my family have a 3 story house in Dongguan, and I used to live there when I was a kid and studying middle school in Shenzhen
 
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Again, that's different.

The problem is that you did not factor in anything and simply compare the raw data one on one. It cannot and will not represent the real situation because the data have no relationship with each other. Even when you compare between Home Ownership for the 2 countries?

Simple question which can impact the interpretation of the data. Question such as

The definition of Home Ownership,
The average price of a Home in China and US
The percentage of urban, suburban, rural population in the US and China

The problem is, the currency itself is also a question. In the US, if the average household wealth is 80k, then you are probably below poverty line. But in China, 80,000 USD per family would lead you an average to middle class life. Of course, 80k wealth would not be enough for you to live in the major City in China, but 80K in US for a family would not be enough to live ANYWHERE.

As I said, it's of no point to compare raw data one on one.



That's have something to do with your own expenditure and the way you spend your money.

Are you alone in the US? Your family does not have properties in the US? Or there are no one you can rely on in the US? Having family properties would basically save you up more than half your expenditure. I used to live with my family in the US, I don't need to pay rent, I don't need to pay for groceries, that's why if I earn way below par, I still lead a good life. I earn about 50,000 USD per year with the US Army, the only expense is 12,000 a year to my mum back in 2005. After Tax and other small expenditure, I have about 20,000 USD saved up every year. (I got around 34,000 USD after tax)

Then I move to England for 2 years, I earn about 70,000 GBP a year working in private sector (About 106,000 USD). Well above what the average British Earn, then I need to pay rent which is about 300 quid per week in greater London (That's 18000 GBP there), and then food and transport cost me another ~100 pounds per week, that's 6,000 a year, and then you have all sort of expense, such as medical insurance. Home insurance (which I don't need to pay before), council bill, water, electric, phone, internet etc. That's another 5,000 a year. After tax, I got about 45,000 GBP left, after lodging, I got about 27,000 GBP left, and after weekly expenses, I got about 12,000 GBP left. Which is about 16,000 USD. Even tho I earn 2.5 times more then before, I have less money saved up....My colleague, earn a but less than me, drive an Aston Martin...... I drove a Honda Civic....

And by the way, my family have a 3 story house in Dongguan, and I used to live there when I was a kid and studying middle school in Shenzhen


Nice to know you are actually a Chinese. They said you were Vietnamese, Mexican, or what ever. When was the last time you visit China?

Just imagine you have to use that $106K, though about average in the states, to support a family of 4. So the quality of life is a question,

Sorry, I guess I am lost in the discussion. Are we talking about family net worth or living standard? When I was talking about $80K, I was referring to average family net worth in Chinese cities, which covers about 50% Chinese population. It is not their annual income, which shold be much lower than that considering their GDP per capital is only about 8K. My point is Chinese are not as poor we in the states think they are, and average Americans are not that much better off. Just look how Chinese outbound tourists spent money (120 million of them last year), we know China has lots of rich people. By the way, they spent much more in average in Japan than American tourists to Japan.
 
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