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China Halts Trading After Market Tumbles More Than 7 Percent

You obviously don't know what the **** you're talking about. Go get an education and stop wasting my time :lol:

go troll in the Indian forum--something you're good at

I know precisely what I am talking about. You just don't have fact based shiit to come back with. And trust me, I've put my logic into many Chinese forums too, and you guys act stupid, like in the post above.

Go get a course on investment markets, or read a news paper from other countries. I think your communist ruling party is telling you "all is good" while they continue to devalue the Yuan every night before going to bed, like kids drink milk :rofl: :close_tema:
 
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China's foreign exchange reserves, the world's largest, fell $107.9 billion in December to $3.33 trillion, the biggest monthly drop on record, central bank data showed on Thursday.

The December figure missed market expectations of $3.40 trillion, according to a Reuters poll.

China's foreign exchange reserves fell $512.66 billion in 2015, the biggest annual drop on record.

The value of its gold reserves stood at $60.19 billion at the end of December, up from $59.52 billion at the end of November, the People's Bank of China said on its website.

Gold reserves stood at 56.66 million fine troy ounces at the end of December, up from 56.05 million at end-November.

China's International Monetary Fund (IMF) reserve position was at $4.55 billion, down from $4.60 billion the previous month. It held $10.28 billion of IMF Special Drawing Rights at the end of last month, compared with $10.18 billion at the end of November.

The central bank in July shifted to reporting its foreign exchange reserves on a monthly basis after adopting the IMF's Special Data Dissemination Standard (SDDS). The bank had previously released the data on a quarterly basis.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/07/
 
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China should deregulate and make their indices like all other major ones across the world. 85 - 90% retail investor volume, that is just insane !

it should be the other way around, 90% institutional smart money, a combination of domestic and foreign funds and 10% retail where only the truly savvy and informed ones will survive in the long term.

to give an Indian example, every once a year, on the festival of diwali, the market opens in the evening for an hour and only for retail investors, so unless there's a big global event to cash in on, you never take those moves seriously. Hell, even around the year end and early few days of the new year when volumes and institutional flows are down to a trickle, again, those moves (barring major global events etc) are not to be factored in.

Chinese markets are like 365 days of a retail gambler's den !

at a crossroads now, time to go more full capitalist, divest, deregulate, truly open up ?
 
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China’s Shortest Day Will Prolong the Pain

By dragging out the pain of its stock- and currency-market adjustments, China is only ensuring that things will get worse before they get better.

Chinese stocks had just about the shortest trading session possible Thursday morning, thanks to a tempest set off by China’s own depreciating currency. Within half an hour of opening, the CSI 300, a blue-chip index, was down 7%, triggering “circuit breakers” that halted trading for the day.

This system has been in place for less than a week, but it isn’t too early to judge it a failure. Indeed, authorities announced late Thursday that they would suspend its usage. The circuit breakers incentivize traders to unload shares immediately once a selloff starts, to beat the market shutdown. That trading was halted completely by 10 a.m. also made it impossible for equities to recover any ground, as they well might have once the People’s Bank of China intervened to support the currency.

The fundamental problem is that Chinese stocks and its currency are both overvalued, and Beijing is afraid to let them adjust. Shanghai-traded shares are still above their historical valuations, and at a big premium to virtually identical shares in Hong Kong.

During last summer’s meltdown, China’s securities regulator banned shareholders who own 5% or more of a company from selling any of their holdings for six months. It doesn’t take a market genius to recognize that as Friday’s scheduled expiration of the ban approached, traders might get nervous.

So on Thursday, the regulator doubled down on its mistake, albeit with some adjustments. Over the next three months, those big shareholders will be allowed to sell up to a 1% stake—though only with a punitive 15 days’ notice. This will merely delay the ultimate reckoning, and keep an overhang of frozen shares over the market.

For the currency too, the obvious market direction is down, at least against the dollar. China’s monetary policy likely needs more loosening, while the U.S. is set to keep raising rates. The dollar is also strong against the currencies of China’s major trading partners.

A currency basket unveiled in December may have become the government’s yuan-weakening benchmark—a statement posted on the central bank website Thursday pointed out that the currency was basically stable against the basket last year. But it remains unclear how closely China intends to track it.

All things being equal, a cheaper currency should be welcome news for China. After all, owners of European and Japanese equities cheer whenever currencies there fall. But there is a difference between an ordinary decline in a market-based currency and a managed decline in a government-controlled exchange rate like China’s.

Facing depreciation pressure, China seems to have two choices: Allow the currency to fall to a market-determined level all at once or go for a slow devaluation.

But given that the disruptions a rapid fall would cause—to unprepared global markets, diplomatic relations with the West and Chinese companies with unhedged, dollar-denominated debt—it really has only one.

The go-slow strategy has costs of its own, though. Repeated interventions drain currency reserves, which fell by more than $100 billion in December. Using foreign currency to buy up yuan also shrinks the domestic money supply, counteracting stimulus efforts. What’s more, a slow-motion devaluation creates a one-way bet against the currency, giving market players an incentive to pull money out of China sooner rather than later.

Transitioning from a crawling peg to a freer exchange rate was never going to be easy, but Beijing should have made the move years ago. Waiting until now just forced it to act against a backdrop of slowing growth and a deflating equity bubble.

The impression left on investors is that Chinese authorities are out of their depth. Certainly with respect to the stock market, their reputation for incompetence is well-earned. This collapse in confidence will make it harder still for China to engineer a turnaround.

China’s Shortest Day Will Prolong the Pain - WSJ
 
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You obviously don't know what the **** you're talking about. Go get an education and stop wasting my time :lol:

go troll in the Indian forum--something you're good at


I am starting to think wealthy Chinese have sold out the poorer peasant Chinese.

think about it rack of tons of debt by building and building at the expense of cheap Chinese labor, at the expense of racking up debt...make a crap ton of money. buy foreign real estate in (U.S,UK,Canada,Australia) have a few million dollars hidden in off-shore bank accounts.

once the charade is over and the house of cards starts come tumbling down you get on a plane and take a flight to the U.S or Canada and become citizens. Then you live in those expensive real estate houses or sell them, and you still have your money secured in bank accounts!! so money will never be an issue.


I feel sorry for the poor Chinese who built China up for just for a small few to rob them. I hope this isn't true, because it's pretty disturbing and brilliant.
 
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Liquidity failure. Chinese gov't withdrawing money from circulation (through market operations) during a period that corresponds to increased domestic demand and contracting dollar liquidity. This didn't have to happen. This is what reserves are for. It'll be like 1920s Germany 1930s America if the PBC doesn't correct soon.
 
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I feel sorry for the poor Chinese who built China up for just for a small few to rob them. I hope this isn't true, because it's pretty disturbing and brilliant.

All Financial scams are built to destroy average citizens and get 1% of the population filthy rich. In this case, you are correct. The West Coast (California to Washington) and parts of the East Coast (NY, NJ, CT, MD, FL) ALL have MAJOR Chinese real estate ownership in terms of homes, etc. So these guys will come to the US or Canada, settle here, still have wealth in China and in the Western country they go to. What a brilliant idea, but at the cost of hundreds of millions of poor Chinese, who just work hard to get by. By the rich in the government and commercial, who have become "untouchables". SAD!
 
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I feel sorry for the poor Chinese who built China up for just for a small few to rob them. I hope this isn't true, because it's pretty disturbing and brilliant.
I'm afraid you may be right. The relevant liquidity demands are seasonal. Failure to match them may have resulted in a few people in the know at the top taking massive profits from the market fall.
 
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China should invest more in India to get higher returns as we need infrastructure big time and the market is huge!
 
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It is evident that China's impact on the world is getting stronger each passing year. Do you want it to collapse?


Hurting us you are hurting yourselves too!

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The Indian stock market and the chinese stock market is unhinged...There aren't any direct collaterals. ..what happens is the that the FII's pull out partially from other markets to cut their losses from Pulling out from the chinese market.

That's the reason why most major markets see a temporary slump.. The FII's investing in the chinese markets are the same one's who are investing in the Indian bourses...They pull out so that they make profits in some markets to compensate what they have lost in the chinese bourse.

Nothing will happen to the Indian stock market even if the chinese market collapses completely..The losses in other markets will only be temporary.
 
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