China gears up for next summit with India despite India’s planned boycott of BRF: Chinese FM

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20/04/2019

BEIJING, Apr 19: China said Friday it was bracing to hold a Wuhan-style next summit with India this year despite India’s reported decision to boycott Beijing’s prestigious 2nd Belt and Road Forum to be held here next week to protest its sovereignty concerns over the USD 60 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

Addressing a media conference here ahead of the Belt and Road Forum (BRF) being held from April 25-27 to showcase China’s trillion-dollar Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi made an impassioned appeal to India to shed its opposition to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) as it no way “undermined” basic position on the Kashmir dispute.

Wang said so far 37 heads of state and governments had confirmed their participation in the BRF. Representatives from over 150 countries and 90 international organisations’ close to 5000 participants have confirmed their participation.

Leaders of Pakistan and Nepal are among the countries from the neighbourhood who would take part in the BRF meeting being held here from April 25-27.

India has already signalled to boycott the BRF like it did in 2017 to highlight its objections over the CPEC.

The CPEC which has been officially designated as a flagship project of the BRI, has become a stumbling block for India to take part in it as the controversial project is being laid through Azad Kashmir.

India has already protested to China over the CPEC violating its sovereignty and boycotted the first BRF held in 2017.

Indian Ambassador to China Vikram Misri told Chinese state-run Global Times last month that “above all, connectivity initiatives must be pursued in a manner that respects sovereignty, equality and territorial integrity of nations. No country can participate in an initiative that ignores its core concerns on sovereignty and territorial integrity”.

Answering a question whether India’s reported decision to boycott the BRF would undermine the new momentum generated by last year’s informal summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping, Wang said the two leaders had a very successful meeting at Wuhan.

“Particularly they have established mutual trust between the leadership and they jointly planned for the future of improvement and strengthening of China-India relations.

“After the Wuhan summit, we see all areas or progress between the two countries and we have bright prospect for this relationship. We are now preparing for the next summit of our leaders,” he said without specifying any time line.

Xi plans to visit India for the 2nd such summit after the general elections, currently underway, are over.

Wang said China and India were two major countries, besides being neighbours.

“It is natural for us to have differences. This is only natural. I remember Prime Minister Modi mentioning many times that we cannot escalate our differences into disputes. Indian side wants to put our difference at proper level and it would not for it to interfere in the development of our relations,” he said.

“I believe this is in the fundamental interest of the people of the two countries and that is what China is happy to see,” he said.

“One of our differences is how to look at the BRI. The Indian side has their concerns. We understand that and that is why we have stated clearly on many occasions that the BRI including the CPEC is only an economic initiative and it does not target any third country and has nothing to do with the sovereign and territorial disputes left from history between any two countries,” he said.

The BRI is a multi-billion-dollar initiative launched by Chinese President Xi Jinping when he came to power in 2013. It aims to link Southeast Asia, Central Asia, the Gulf region, Africa and Europe with a network of land and sea routes.

“India has its basic position on these disputes. Our cooperation will not undermine any party’s position on those issues,” Wang said, apparently suggesting that it would not alter even Pakistan’s position on the disputed status of the Azad Kashmir (Azad Kashmir).

China for its part has been maintaining that Kashmir dispute is left over from history and it should be resolved between India and Pakistan.

“Now we are trying to achieve common prosperity through the cooperation under the BRI. Those issues left over from history must be separated from our efforts in this area.

“I think such cooperation will not undermine your basic position on sovereignty and territorial integrity and at the same time provide you with more opportunities of development and help India in your modernisation endeavour. I believe this is a good option and good choice for India,” Wang said. (PTI)

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[Cobra Arbok]

Yet another example of India's increasing importance in Eurasian geopolitics

 

[mastaan]

I think the more Interesting bit will be the IMF loan's final outcome.. US controls IMF and has objections to OBOR plan of Xi Xinping and is using the CPEC as a worry. Economically, this chapter on south Asia is just starting to get written.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

I think the more Interesting bit will be the IMF loan's final outcome.. US controls IMF and has objections to OBOR plan of Xi Xinping and is using the CPEC as a worry. Economically, this chapter on south Asia is just starting to get written.

It is clear IMF is not going to give Pak any breathing room, and FATF will only make things worse.

But tbh, Pakistan is mostly irrelevant here. It is clear that India is more important for China's economic goals than Pakistan. The fact that we control the waterway that is responsible for most of China's trade says it all. Recently, China's attempts to remove the IOR region from Indian control via the "string of pearls" has failed now that IOR countries saw what happened to Sri Lanka and want to distance themselves from China. Maldives is a good example. Hence, China has realized it cannot arm-twist India either militarily or economically, so it will increasingly make more engagements with India such as this one.

 

[mastaan]

It is clear IMF is not going to give Pak any breathing room, and FATF will only make things worse.

But tbh, Pakistan is mostly irrelevant here. It is clear that India is more important for China's economic goals than Pakistan. The fact that we control the waterway that is responsible for most of China's trade says it all. Recently, China's attempts to remove the IOR region from Indian control via the "string of pearls" has failed now that IOR countries saw what happened to Sri Lanka and want to distance themselves from China. Maldives is a good example. Hence, China has realized it cannot arm-twist India either militarily or economically, so it will increasingly make more engagements with India such as this one.

oh i was not refering to OBOR for Pakistan.. I was refering to OBOR for China and the take of developed world world on that.. The take my loan and pledge your country to me on the name of OBOR, that EU and US are taking objection to... pakistan is just the playing field

Moreover, i think our trade deficit with China is big enough - 63 billion... for china to be interested (given vagaries of sanctions from US and may be some from EU). But that doesn;t mean that china will stop trying to arm twist India.. They will keep trying that.. anything short of that will be disappointing and means no fun

 

[war&peace]

Basically China gives an unlubricated middle finger to India and naturally India loves it

 

[Kaniska]

I think the more Interesting bit will be the IMF loan's final outcome.. US controls IMF and has objections to OBOR plan of Xi Xinping and is using the CPEC as a worry. Economically, this chapter on south Asia is just starting to get written.

Hmm...little bit disagree with you...we beleive that rest of the world plans their statergy based in our rivallary in South Asia..where as it is not true...
For India, OBOR is not some thing different than the regular trade between India and China...Unless some one can explain me the benifit India will get by joining OBOR that is not happening through regular trade...

Now coming to IMF and Pakistan, ultimately Pakistan will accept the condition of IMF and take the loan...In long run it may be good for Pakistan to follow economic policy and do suggested reform to develop your economy

China and US will be rival in this decade...we do not have to choose side...Somehow, i beleive India’s foreign policy is balanced in this regard...

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Yet another example of India's increasing importance in Eurasian geopolitics

more like this is a demonstration of the differences between a broad-minded and narrow-minded society'

Trade is trade. Money-making is more important. It's business as usual despite politcal differences.

Same goes for China's relationship with Japan and the US.

 

[Tom M]

Basically China gives an unlubricated middle finger to India and naturally India loves it

Sounds like some is enjoying it a lot and more experienced with this Chinese finger, obviously due to years of close association it seems.

more like this is a demonstration of the differences between a broad-minded and narrow-minded society'

Trade is trade. Money-making is more important. It's business as usual despite politcal differences.

Same goes for China's relationship with Japan and the US.

WOW, the same Chinese simply can't even tolerate the presence of India P.M or President let alone a Buddhist monk inside our territory (Arunachal Pradesh) which they claim as disputed territory.

China upset as Indian president visits disputed border region

Then why the hell do they expect India to not behave the same way and to not take a consistent stand over the soverignity of our territory or the territory which we claim in full ??

 

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China gears up for next summit with India despite India’s planned boycott of BRF: Chinese FM
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20/04/2019

BEIJING, Apr 19: China said Friday it was bracing to hold a Wuhan-style next summit with India this year despite India’s reported decision to boycott Beijing’s prestigious 2nd Belt and Road Forum to be held here next week to protest its sovereignty concerns over the USD 60 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

Addressing a media conference here ahead of the Belt and Road Forum (BRF) being held from April 25-27 to showcase China’s trillion-dollar Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi made an impassioned appeal to India to shed its opposition to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) as it no way “undermined” basic position on the Kashmir dispute.

Wang said so far 37 heads of state and governments had confirmed their participation in the BRF. Representatives from over 150 countries and 90 international organisations’ close to 5000 participants have confirmed their participation.

Leaders of Pakistan and Nepal are among the countries from the neighbourhood who would take part in the BRF meeting being held here from April 25-27.

India has already signalled to boycott the BRF like it did in 2017 to highlight its objections over the CPEC.

The CPEC which has been officially designated as a flagship project of the BRI, has become a stumbling block for India to take part in it as the controversial project is being laid through Azad Kashmir.

India has already protested to China over the CPEC violating its sovereignty and boycotted the first BRF held in 2017.

Indian Ambassador to China Vikram Misri told Chinese state-run Global Times last month that “above all, connectivity initiatives must be pursued in a manner that respects sovereignty, equality and territorial integrity of nations. No country can participate in an initiative that ignores its core concerns on sovereignty and territorial integrity”.

Answering a question whether India’s reported decision to boycott the BRF would undermine the new momentum generated by last year’s informal summit between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping, Wang said the two leaders had a very successful meeting at Wuhan.

“Particularly they have established mutual trust between the leadership and they jointly planned for the future of improvement and strengthening of China-India relations.

“After the Wuhan summit, we see all areas or progress between the two countries and we have bright prospect for this relationship. We are now preparing for the next summit of our leaders,” he said without specifying any time line.

Xi plans to visit India for the 2nd such summit after the general elections, currently underway, are over.

Wang said China and India were two major countries, besides being neighbours.

“It is natural for us to have differences. This is only natural. I remember Prime Minister Modi mentioning many times that we cannot escalate our differences into disputes. Indian side wants to put our difference at proper level and it would not for it to interfere in the development of our relations,” he said.

“I believe this is in the fundamental interest of the people of the two countries and that is what China is happy to see,” he said.

“One of our differences is how to look at the BRI. The Indian side has their concerns. We understand that and that is why we have stated clearly on many occasions that the BRI including the CPEC is only an economic initiative and it does not target any third country and has nothing to do with the sovereign and territorial disputes left from history between any two countries,” he said.

The BRI is a multi-billion-dollar initiative launched by Chinese President Xi Jinping when he came to power in 2013. It aims to link Southeast Asia, Central Asia, the Gulf region, Africa and Europe with a network of land and sea routes.

“India has its basic position on these disputes. Our cooperation will not undermine any party’s position on those issues,” Wang said, apparently suggesting that it would not alter even Pakistan’s position on the disputed status of the Azad Kashmir (Azad Kashmir).

China for its part has been maintaining that Kashmir dispute is left over from history and it should be resolved between India and Pakistan.

“Now we are trying to achieve common prosperity through the cooperation under the BRI. Those issues left over from history must be separated from our efforts in this area.

“I think such cooperation will not undermine your basic position on sovereignty and territorial integrity and at the same time provide you with more opportunities of development and help India in your modernisation endeavour. I believe this is a good option and good choice for India,” Wang said. (PTI)

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It is clear IMF is not going to give Pak any breathing room, and FATF will only make things worse.

But tbh, Pakistan is mostly irrelevant here. It is clear that India is more important for China's economic goals than Pakistan. The fact that we control the waterway that is responsible for most of China's trade says it all. Recently, China's attempts to remove the IOR region from Indian control via the "string of pearls" has failed now that IOR countries saw what happened to Sri Lanka and want to distance themselves from China. Maldives is a good example. Hence, China has realized it cannot arm-twist India either militarily or economically, so it will increasingly make more engagements with India such as this one.

@Cobra Arbok Few months back I was reading an article regarding India China ties... and I was shocked to know that in early 90s China was very keen to build economic and STRATEGIC relations with India... but a cold shoulder from our side and COMPLETELY UNSTABLE political environment FORCED China to look at other OPTIONS...

When it comes to China-India relationship... We Indians to not trust them because of their involvement in P0K and their current relations which are hampering INDIAN INTERESTS...

oh i was not refering to OBOR for Pakistan.. I was refering to OBOR for China and the take of developed world world on that.. The take my loan and pledge your country to me on the name of OBOR, that EU and US are taking objection to... pakistan is just the playing field

Moreover, i think our trade deficit with China is big enough - 63 billion... for china to be interested (given vagaries of sanctions from US and may be some from EU). But that doesn;t mean that china will stop trying to arm twist India.. They will keep trying that.. anything short of that will be disappointing and means no fun

We cannot become a economic mammoth like China in a year or two... CONSTANT PLANNING and PROPER EXECUTION is required... we lack infrastructure which is the first and foremost requirement... Things are getting better but a lot of work is pending...

Basically China gives an unlubricated middle finger to India and naturally India loves it

CPEC is that non-lubricated finger which is keeping Pakistan in the state of pain and pleasure... You have just started to feel the pain (IMF, KSA, China, Kaskol etc) after the pleasure minified... It will increase once the Pleasure is over...

Be ready for some more painful years ahead...

Hmm...little bit disagree with you...we beleive that rest of the world plans their statergy based in our rivallary in South Asia..where as it is not true...
For India, OBOR is not some thing different than the regular trade between India and China...Unless some one can explain me the benifit India will get by joining OBOR that is not happening through regular trade...

Now coming to IMF and Pakistan, ultimately Pakistan will accept the condition of IMF and take the loan...In long run it may be good for Pakistan to follow economic policy and do suggested reform to develop your economy

China and US will be rival in this decade...we do not have to choose side...Somehow, i beleive India’s foreign policy is balanced in this regard...

I really like the Indian stand on foreign policy matters... we have balanced things successfully...

I'm really hopeful about Indian economy in current time... we do need Modi G to continue as PM and mark my words by 2024 elections each and every political party in opposition would be making an alliance on NATIONAL LEVEL...

 

[rott]

Basically China gives an unlubricated middle finger to India and naturally India loves it

 

[Cobra Arbok]

@Cobra Arbok Few months back I was reading an article regarding India China ties... and I was shocked to know that in early 90s China was very keen to build economic and STRATEGIC relations with India... but a cold shoulder from our side and COMPLETELY UNSTABLE political environment FORCED China to look at other OPTIONS...

When it comes to China-India relationship... We Indians to not trust them because of their involvement in P0K and their current relations which are hampering INDIAN INTERESTS...




We cannot become a economic mammoth like China in a year or two... CONSTANT PLANNING and PROPER EXECUTION is required... we lack infrastructure which is the first and foremost requirement... Things are getting better but a lot of work is pending...



CPEC is that non-lubricated finger which is keeping Pakistan in the state of pain and pleasure... You have just started to feel the pain (IMF, KSA, China, Kaskol etc) after the pleasure minified... It will increase once the Pleasure is over...

Be ready for some more painful years ahead...



I really like the Indian stand on foreign policy matters... we have balanced things successfully...

I'm really hopeful about Indian economy in current time... we do need Modi G to continue as PM and mark my words by 2024 elections each and every political party in opposition would be making an alliance on NATIONAL LEVEL...

Increasingly though both India and China are realizing how much they can gain by improving relations with each other. Both India and China have problems. China still wants Arunachal, while India does not like how China violates India's soveriegnty in Azad Kashmir and Aksai Chin, and both blame each other for supporting seperatist groups(for China, Tibetens and Uighurs and for India maoists and NE rebels) but fortuantely both India and CHina are much more mature than Pakistan and will not let those disputes get in the way of bilateral ties.

 

[mastaan]

Hmm...little bit disagree with you...we beleive that rest of the world plans their statergy based in our rivallary in South Asia..where as it is not true...
For India, OBOR is not some thing different than the regular trade between India and China...Unless some one can explain me the benifit India will get by joining OBOR that is not happening through regular trade...

Now coming to IMF and Pakistan, ultimately Pakistan will accept the condition of IMF and take the loan...In long run it may be good for Pakistan to follow economic policy and do suggested reform to develop your economy

China and US will be rival in this decade...we do not have to choose side...Somehow, i beleive India’s foreign policy is balanced in this regard...

I don't think I am saying that world looks at our rivalry.. That would be a very myopic view.

Point I am trying to make is... US and China will fight over OBOR of China influencing Pakistan, before IMF (which US controls heavily) decides on confirming.

OBOR's benefit to everyone is a trade route being built in a place where no logistical infrastructure exists.. But challenge of that is, the conditions with which China invests are predatory. Now they (OBOR people) have reached Italy in EU and Panama in Central America and that attracts attention of US thus IMF. None of this concerns India as of now.. But this will shape South Asia development financing and there we will be impacted.

I do support your point completely, that India should not chose sides.. will not anyways be characteristic of us. But, we definitely can use this trade war for our benefit. But that is beside the point of this thread.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

WOW, the same Chinese simply can't even tolerate the presence of India P.M or President let alone a Buddhist monk inside our territory (Arunachal Pradesh) which they claim as disputed territory.

China upset as Indian president visits disputed border region

Then why the hell do they expect India to not behave the same way and to not take a consistent stand over the soverignity of our territory or the territory which we claim in full ??

Wait a min, what has what u said got to do with what I said?:

more like this is a demonstration of the differences between a broad-minded and narrow-minded society'

Trade is trade. Money-making is more important. It's business as usual despite politcal differences.

Same goes for China's relationship with Japan and the US.

 

[Tom M]

Wait a min, what has what u said got to do with what I said?:

more like this is a demonstration of the differences between a broad-minded and narrow-minded society'

Trade is trade. Money-making is more important. It's business as usual despite politcal differences.

Same goes for China's relationship with Japan and the US.

Well, your answer is well within your reply.

India's not joining BRI initiative is exactly symbolic just like Chinese protest against Indian Presidents/P.M presence in Arunachal. It has never deterred both India or China from cooperating and doing business.

That said your broad mind and narrow mind anology is simply cheap.

Since on business front India don't find any specific benefit from OBOR or CPEC, since we have been doing billions of dollar business with China without that for quite long. We don't see any incentive for us in OBOR, it's as simple as that.