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China Focus: Economists say U.S. currency bill little help to its economy

BEIJING, Sep. 26, 2010 (Xinhua News Agency) -- As the U.S. Congress moved a step closer to punishing China for allegedly manipulating its currency, economists told Xinhua that the bill, even if it became law, would not aid the US economy.

"At best, it will have little impact on job creation in the U.S., but it will make some Congressmen feel better while encouraging retaliation from China, which is good for no one," said Robert Lawrence Kuhn, an international investment banker and corporate strategist, and author of the book "How China's Leaders Think."

However, some U.S. lawmakers are preaching the "benefits" of the bill which would allow the U.S. Commerce Department to use estimates of how much China undervalues its currency to calculate and slap countervailing and anti-dumping duties on imports from China and other countries.

If China allowed its currency, the RMB, to appreciate sharply, "it could create a million U.S. manufacturing jobs and cut our trade deficit with China by 100 billion U.S. dollars a year," Nancy Pelosi, the House Speaker, said earlier this week.

"This estimate is certainly misleading, because even if the trade deficit with China would be improved by this amount, the U.S. would have to have an almost corresponding increase in trade deficits with other countries, assuming no difference in U.S. standard of living," said Kuhn.


"Pelosi's statement is simply untrue, as is shown by the economic facts and would be seen if the U.S. impose tariffs on China," said John Ross, a visiting professor at Antai College of Economics and Management, Shanghai Jiaotong University.

The U.S. had stopped making most of the goods it imported from China, neither was it able to make them so competitively, said Ross, former director of economic and business policy for mayor of London Ken Livingstone from 2000 to 2008.

"So if U.S. imports from China were blocked by tariffs, they would be replaced by imports from Mexico, Vietnam and other countries. No U.S. jobs would therefore be created and the U.S. trade deficit would not decrease," Ross said.

For those who say an increase in the RMB's exchange rate would cut China's trade surplus, Ross pointed out the elementary economic mistake of assuming that the increase in the price of imports would not be offset by an equivalent reduction in their volume.

Most experts attributed the U.S. trade deficit with China to the international division of labor supported by globalization, and suggested the U.S. innovate and pioneer new kinds of jobs.

"Unless the U.S. goes for sheer protectionism, it is impossible with globalization for old-style manufacturing jobs to return to the U.S.," Kuhn said.

Many economists, including Gary Becker and James Heckman, the Nobel Laureate economists from the U.S., have told Xinhua that the "very low savings rate" in the U.S. was the root cause of its trade deficit.

"The root cause is simple and obvious: U.S. consumers buy too much and save too little, financing their overspending with debt," Kuhn said.


Like Kuhn, Ross also said the U.S. trade deficit stemmed from the fact that its consumption was too high a proportion of its economy as a result of its excessively military spending and the very high cost of health care.

"If the U.S. does not reduce excessive consumption, its imports will not be reduced and imports from China will simply be reduced by imports from other countries," said Ross.

The two economists also said the conditions for a major appreciation of the RMB do no exist, warning against the unwanted consequences of a sudden and sharp RMB appreciation.

"If China excessively raised the exchange rate of the RMB, this would not aid the U.S. economy, but it would damage China and the rest of the world economy as China is making increasing contribution to the world economy," said Ross.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao told business leaders in New York earlier this week that "There is no basis for a drastic appreciation of the RMB."

"If the RMB were suddenly to rise by a large degree against the dollar,we can't imagine how many Chinese factories would go bankrupt, how many Chinese workers will lose their jobs, and how many migrant workers will return to the countryside," Wen said.

Kuhn said that "A sudden, sharp appreciation of the RMB does not make sense in that it would threaten the existence of many businesses in China and hurt economic and social stability, which would be in no one's interest worldwide."

"The real aim of the lawmakers advocating the bill is not to aid the growth of the U.S. economy, which is a legitimate concern of U.S. policy makers, but to weaken China's economy, which is not a legitimate aim of the U.S. lawmakers," Ross said.

A slow and steady rise in the RMB would be in everyone's interest, including China's as a higher RMB would force businesses to become more efficient through innovation, control inflation and increase the purchasing power of the people, Kuhn said.

Ross urged China not to carry out policies, such as a sharp appreciation of the RMB, that would damage China's own economy and those of the rest of the world, including the U.S.

The only way for the U.S. economy to recover was to sharply increase its own savings level and end the restrictions on exports of various types of goods to China so that U.S. exports could rise even more rapidly," said Ross.

(Source: iStockAnalyst )
 
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China Focus: Economists say U.S. currency bill little help to its economy

BEIJING, Sep. 26, 2010 (Xinhua News Agency) -- As the U.S. Congress moved a step closer to punishing China for allegedly manipulating its currency, economists told Xinhua that the bill, even if it became law, would not aid the US economy.

"At best, it will have little impact on job creation in the U.S., but it will make some Congressmen feel better while encouraging retaliation from China, which is good for no one," said Robert Lawrence Kuhn, an international investment banker and corporate strategist, and author of the book "How China's Leaders Think."

However, some U.S. lawmakers are preaching the "benefits" of the bill which would allow the U.S. Commerce Department to use estimates of how much China undervalues its currency to calculate and slap countervailing and anti-dumping duties on imports from China and other countries.

If China allowed its currency, the RMB, to appreciate sharply, "it could create a million U.S. manufacturing jobs and cut our trade deficit with China by 100 billion U.S. dollars a year," Nancy Pelosi, the House Speaker, said earlier this week.

"This estimate is certainly misleading, because even if the trade deficit with China would be improved by this amount, the U.S. would have to have an almost corresponding increase in trade deficits with other countries, assuming no difference in U.S. standard of living," said Kuhn.


"Pelosi's statement is simply untrue, as is shown by the economic facts and would be seen if the U.S. impose tariffs on China," said John Ross, a visiting professor at Antai College of Economics and Management, Shanghai Jiaotong University.

The U.S. had stopped making most of the goods it imported from China, neither was it able to make them so competitively, said Ross, former director of economic and business policy for mayor of London Ken Livingstone from 2000 to 2008.

"So if U.S. imports from China were blocked by tariffs, they would be replaced by imports from Mexico, Vietnam and other countries. No U.S. jobs would therefore be created and the U.S. trade deficit would not decrease," Ross said.

For those who say an increase in the RMB's exchange rate would cut China's trade surplus, Ross pointed out the elementary economic mistake of assuming that the increase in the price of imports would not be offset by an equivalent reduction in their volume.

Most experts attributed the U.S. trade deficit with China to the international division of labor supported by globalization, and suggested the U.S. innovate and pioneer new kinds of jobs.

"Unless the U.S. goes for sheer protectionism, it is impossible with globalization for old-style manufacturing jobs to return to the U.S.," Kuhn said.

Many economists, including Gary Becker and James Heckman, the Nobel Laureate economists from the U.S., have told Xinhua that the "very low savings rate" in the U.S. was the root cause of its trade deficit.

"The root cause is simple and obvious: U.S. consumers buy too much and save too little, financing their overspending with debt," Kuhn said.


Like Kuhn, Ross also said the U.S. trade deficit stemmed from the fact that its consumption was too high a proportion of its economy as a result of its excessively military spending and the very high cost of health care.

"If the U.S. does not reduce excessive consumption, its imports will not be reduced and imports from China will simply be reduced by imports from other countries," said Ross.

The two economists also said the conditions for a major appreciation of the RMB do no exist, warning against the unwanted consequences of a sudden and sharp RMB appreciation.

"If China excessively raised the exchange rate of the RMB, this would not aid the U.S. economy, but it would damage China and the rest of the world economy as China is making increasing contribution to the world economy," said Ross.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao told business leaders in New York earlier this week that "There is no basis for a drastic appreciation of the RMB."

"If the RMB were suddenly to rise by a large degree against the dollar,we can't imagine how many Chinese factories would go bankrupt, how many Chinese workers will lose their jobs, and how many migrant workers will return to the countryside," Wen said.

Kuhn said that "A sudden, sharp appreciation of the RMB does not make sense in that it would threaten the existence of many businesses in China and hurt economic and social stability, which would be in no one's interest worldwide."

"The real aim of the lawmakers advocating the bill is not to aid the growth of the U.S. economy, which is a legitimate concern of U.S. policy makers, but to weaken China's economy, which is not a legitimate aim of the U.S. lawmakers," Ross said.

A slow and steady rise in the RMB would be in everyone's interest, including China's as a higher RMB would force businesses to become more efficient through innovation, control inflation and increase the purchasing power of the people, Kuhn said.

Ross urged China not to carry out policies, such as a sharp appreciation of the RMB, that would damage China's own economy and those of the rest of the world, including the U.S.

The only way for the U.S. economy to recover was to sharply increase its own savings level and end the restrictions on exports of various types of goods to China so that U.S. exports could rise even more rapidly," said Ross.

(Source: iStockAnalyst )

Wow, guess that just means that the U.S. is cutting off her nose to spite China. Not a very smart move. :disagree:

Time to bless the thread before the pests show up:

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The US government already knows that it won't help the US economy, it's all about the elections in November. (The Obama administration needs to boost their ratings).

The lost imports from China will just be replaced by imports from other manufacturing nations at around the same price, the deficit will remain the same. The ones who will be hurt are the US companies that own factories in China. Also, the average US person will end up having to pay a higher price for products, which will make them angry.

For China, exports to the USA only count for less than one percent of our total economic growth. We will find other markets easily, and the less dependent we are on the US, the better.

So in fact the USA would be doing us a favour, because people have been predicting that their economy will double-dip, and cause another big global financial mess (like they did two years ago with the credit crunch). Best to stay out of that, or at least distance ourselves from it. :cheers:
 
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China's deliberate policy of pegging the Yuan to the dollar makes American imports of Chinese goods artificially cheap and gives American companies opening factories in China an artificial subsidy. That's good for China but bad for America, and helps explain our soaring trade imbalance with China. An extraordinary 83 percent of America's non-oil trade deficit is with China. During the downturn, our trade deficit with other countries has been shrinking -- but not with China.

The wheels of change are starting to turn. The Obama administration stood up to China when it imposed tariffs on Chinese tires and pipes dumped in the U.S. markets. The chattering class called it a trade war, but it's not. It's just applying the same rules of free trade that other countries respect, and that China agreed to when it entered the G-20 and was granted permanent normal trade relations with the US. Obama just blew the whistle
Eric Lotke: What Chinese Currency Manipulation Looks Like

If China was not engaged in Currency Manipulation they would not be pegging the Yuan to the dollar.
 
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That's good for China but bad for America.

Well I would feel sorry for you Captain, if you weren't such a racist towards Chinese people.

Chinese people are really really rude. They don't care about others.

That was not being racist, Chinese people are rude, its a fact I have noticed it among Chinese in this country and many people have noticed it in China.

look at how it is on here, people usually Chinese calling people ignorant and stupid when they dont agree with them.
 
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What is bullying?

Bullying is abusive behavior. Teasing, taunting, threatening, stalking, name-calling, making threats, coercion, exclusions.

I have noticed you all have aready run a number of people off so you can dominate discussions about China
 
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US sanction back fired. If they sell high tech machinery and engines to China, thousands of workers will be re-employed, and millions more American workers will be benifitted in the supporting industry through economic multiplier effect..
 
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What is bullying?

You're the one who keeps making racist remarks. So tell that to yourself. :azn:

Back on topic: I actually understand why Obama is pushing for this, since his poll ratings are suffering. This action won't hurt China much, so to be honest I'm not bothered about it either way.

Might be good though, not to rely on the American market too much, considering the poor economic situation over there.
 
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China's deliberate policy of pegging the Yuan to the dollar makes American imports of Chinese goods artificially cheap and gives American companies opening factories in China an artificial subsidy. That's good for China but bad for America, and helps explain our soaring trade imbalance with China. An extraordinary 83 percent of America's non-oil trade deficit is with China. During the downturn, our trade deficit with other countries has been shrinking -- but not with China.

The wheels of change are starting to turn. The Obama administration stood up to China when it imposed tariffs on Chinese tires and pipes dumped in the U.S. markets. The chattering class called it a trade war, but it's not. It's just applying the same rules of free trade that other countries respect, and that China agreed to when it entered the G-20 and was granted permanent normal trade relations with the US. Obama just blew the whistle
Eric Lotke: What Chinese Currency Manipulation Looks Like

If China was not engaged in Currency Manipulation they would not be pegging the Yuan to the dollar.


CAPTAIN, if you are really interesting for a healthy discussing other than trolling by copying other's posts as your own posts , please do debate with your own words, not only with some copy and paste.:partay:
If incase you failed to do so, kindly save yourself the last drop of dignity and bug off for good please. :lol:
 
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What is bullying?

Bullying is abusive behavior. Teasing, taunting, threatening, stalking, name-calling, making threats, coercion, exclusions.

I have noticed you all have aready run a number of people off so you can dominate discussions about China

Yawn, something new please, you are simply acting like a "Thief crying for theft" :no:
Let me help you with some add on to your boring meaningless cry baby speech. :partay:
bully-730678.jpg

Cry me a river baby, see if i care. :D
 
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The trade defict with China cant continue and there might a lot of pain for both countries before this is over. The USA has a lot of economic and political Mechanism that it has been developed to deal with poltical and economic stress that China does not have. We will have to wait and see what happens. Perhaps you are right and the USA will be the only one to suffer. But there are those that argue that the Chinese has dangerously overheated economy, and that the entire system is teetering toward collapse.

I realize you are desperately trying to get me banned by makeing out that I am a racist or have something against the Chinese, that is not the case. If you notice I dont make personal attacks against you individually.
 
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Yawn, something new please, you are simply acting like a "Thief crying for theft" :no:
Let me help you with some add on to your boring meaningless cry baby speech. :partay:
bully-730678.jpg

Cry me a river baby, see if i care. :D

More bullying?

Bullying is abusive behavior. Teasing, taunting, threatening, stalking, name-calling, making threats, coercion, exclusions.

I have noticed you all have aready run a number of people off so you can dominate discussions about China
 
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washingtonpost.com
"As the Obama administration vows to fix America's troubled trading relationships and build an economic recovery in part on the back of exports, business leaders such as Jeffery Immelt, chief executive of GE, are pointing to Germany as a model. The Germans have funded "business centers" to aid small- and medium-sized companies in tapping the Chinese market, using government money to support their Chamber of Commerce networks and boost trade. They have adopted a less confrontational approach to China on issues including China's exchange rate and copyright infringements, focusing instead on sales. "
"There are critics who say our manufacturing in the United States can never be competitive with China because of their wages," said Scott Paul, executive director for the District-based Alliance for American Manufacturing. "But in Germany, you see a country that has wages and benefits at least as high as the United States, and yet they have managed a manufacturing base and trading relationship with China that we in the U.S. would love to have."
 
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Looks like I need to sue Sino-defence. The anti-troll pesticide that they prescribed are not very effective :(.
 
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