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China blackmailing Germany? Please tell me when China blackmailed Germany?

As far as I know, the Chinese govt has always held goodwill towards Germany. Moreover, the Chinese generally see Germany as a pole of the future world order.

Germany's manufacturing industry does depend on China, but this is an inevitable result of global economic integration. Germany itself is a country that relies on Global trade, which will inevitably lead to Germany becoming a member of the global economic integration chain.

Of course, you want to reduce your dependence on China, which is correct. No country should rely too much on another country. Germany is in an awkward situation because of its dependence on Russian energy. Even if Russian oil is cheaper, the Chinese govt has set a ceiling on the amount of Russian oil imported.

However, with only 80 million people in Germany, you can't have all the industrial links. Therefore, it is impossible for you to get rid of your dependence on China.

Similarly, China is also relying on western countries such as Germany. China's industrial productivity needs the market, and Germany and other countries are the markets that China needs.
Say never no. You can’t deny the potential risk Ccp will blackmail Germany like how Putin blackmails Germany with zero gas export what we seeing now.
If coming to politics then everything is possible, people make irrational decisions.
 
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What's that have to do with Chinese jacking up the price in Russia when they don't have to??

I mean sure, Toyota or Hyundai dealer jacking up the price because of the sanction, China does not have sanction on Russia so why sell your cars twice what it cost before??

Russia has its own automobile manufacturing industry. China's automobile enterprises are not monopolies. How can they arbitrarily raise the sales price of automobiles.

First, the Russian government has raised the import tariff of automobiles to 46%. Australia's tariff is 5%.
Secondly, the business environment in Australia is much better than that in Russia, which will lead to many special costs.
Third, are you sure you are comparing the same car?



BTW: I'd like to know which model of Keely's car sells for $40000 in Russia? Did your friend buy Volvo cars owned by Keely group?
 
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Russia has its own automobile manufacturing industry. China's automobile enterprises are not monopolies. How can they arbitrarily raise the sales price of automobiles.

First, the Russian government has raised the import tariff of automobiles to 46%. Australia's tariff is 5%.
Secondly, the business environment in Australia is much better than that in Russia, which will lead to many special costs.
Third, are you sure you are comparing the same car?
Russian automotive industry HEAVILY depends on the west. For example, the first Lada coming out of the production line post sanction does not have airbag, anti-lock brake and cruise control.

Also, my friend was talking about the same car pre and post war, he was going to get a car at the beginning of the year but he has just saved up for it, he is looking at the same car in Jan and in June and it jump from $20,000 USD to $40,000. This is not about tariff....

And finally, if you can go on youtube, it's not hard to find how much Geely is selling in Russia. I found this in less than 2 seconds by typing Geely New Car Russia.


That dude (He is not the friend I was talking about) reviewed a Geely Atlas Pro at 28:20. According to him, that Geely Atlas Pro he reviewed cost $40,000 dollars.

The car my friend wanted to get is Geely Coolmax, according to the info he send me, it cost 2.5 mil rouble, which is roughly 41,000 USD now. It cost less than $17,000 USD in US.....


40 Grand US for a Chinese car? Dude.........com'on...

BTW: I'd like to know which model of Keely's car sells for $40000 in Russia? Did your friend buy Volvo cars owned by Keely group?
You can't buy a new volvo in Russia for $40,000........By the way......
 
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The question is that China has always respected Germany very much. Why do you think that a trade war will break out between the two sides?

The economies of China and Germany are complementary, and there is not much competition between the two sides in many fields. Germany is not an Anglo Saxon country and has no historical hatred with us. We are not interested in starting a meaningless trade war.
The problem is that the Chinese in general respect the Germans too much. This attitude has brought the Germans to have contempt and evil wishes for China and Chinese which are rampant among German politicians, media and netizens on German internet sites regarding Chinese matters. The best examples are Germans Trump and Adrian Zenz, Trump who is pretty much responsible for starting the world wide or at least Western world anti-China phenomenon in the last few years, and Adrian Zenz, the German Chinese scholar who single-handedly fabricated the story that Han Chinese are committing genocides and other atrocities against the Uyghurs in China and spread such despicable lies to the world to hate Chinese. The Germans are evil, they are trying hard to paint China as the new evil empire similar to Nazi Germany or militarist Imperial Japan in today's world so to white wash their country's war crime sins in WW II. The same logic applies to Italy and Japan, the other two WW II war criminals. Pompeo and Pelosi are both Italians who are key figures also spearheading the anti-China movement in America and the West to a large extent. The Japanese have been spreading the fabricated China threat to the world in the past few decades and they have started the anti-China QUAD and US Indo Pacific strategy to encircle and destroy China. These three WW II war criminal countries' key people are bent to destroy China by willingly want to detonate WW III to take revenge on their loss of WW II on China and then the world. Germans are evil and have lots hatred for China, they don't deserve Chinese respect, so are Japanese and Italians. If Germany and China relationship for the time being isn't enemy like and two countries traded a lot, it's purely for cold blooded self national interests on German part.
 
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Russian automotive industry HEAVILY depends on the west. For example, the first Lada coming out of the production line post sanction does not have airbag, anti-lock brake and cruise control.

Also, my friend was talking about the same car pre and post war, he was going to get a car at the beginning of the year but he has just saved up for it, he is looking at the same car in Jan and in June and it jump from $20,000 USD to $40,000. This is not about tariff....

And finally, if you can go on youtube, it's not hard to find how much Geely is selling in Russia. I found this in less than 2 seconds by typing Geely New Car Russia.


That dude (He is not the friend I was talking about) reviewed a Geely Atlas Pro at 28:20. According to him, that Geely Atlas Pro he reviewed cost $40,000 dollars.

The car my friend wanted to get is Geely Coolmax, according to the info he send me, it cost 2.5 mil rouble, which is roughly 41,000 USD now. It cost less than $17,000 USD in US.....


40 Grand US for a Chinese car? Dude.........com'on...


You can't buy a volvo in Russia for $40,000........By the way......
Before the war broke out, Russia's tariff was 25%. Now it's 46%.

The basic price of Coolmax in China is 90000CNY (13000 US dollars), and even the most advanced version will not exceed 15000 US dollars. If the current tariff is included in the calculation, it should not exceed 22000 US dollars.

This is not necessarily because Geely Group is raising prices.

I guess the dealers in Russia should make a lot of money from them.
 
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They already did.....

A friend of mine lives in Russia told me he was going to buy a car, but since the sanction almost all Japanese or Korean car (European car were always above him) are out of bounce with a Toyota Hiace going for $100,000 USD. He was trying to buy Keely, but it still cost him $40,000 USD, which is almost twice the price he can get before. Considering a Geely is more or less around $27,000 AUD here. $40,000 is too much.
Chinese are capitalists. Money matters. More money matters more. I am not badmouthing chinese, Vietnamese are no different. They will squeeze the Russians until the last penny. Does Putin have a choice? No. After that, Russia going burst, Ccp will provide loans with no strings attached. As usual.
 
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Chinese are capitalists. Money matters. More money matters more. I am not badmouthing chinese, Vietnamese are no different. They will squeeze the Russians until the last penny. Does Putin have a choice? No. After that, Russia going burst, Ccp will provide loans with no strings attached. As usual.

You have predicted that China will occupy Vietnam and blackmail Germany, and now you are predicting that China will rob Russia.

I suggest you see a doctor. You should be a Persecutory delusions patient.


 
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Before the war broke out, Russia's tariff was 25%. Now it's 46%.

The basic price of Coolmax in China is 90000CNY (13000 US dollars), and even the most advanced version will not exceed 15000 US dollars. If the current tariff is included in the calculation, it should not exceed 22000 US dollars.

This is not necessarily because Geely Group is raising prices.

I guess the dealers in Russia should make a lot of money from them.
46% tariff would not account for 100% price increase.

I don't think Geely have any local dealer in Russia, because I don't think Geely is made in Russia, so every car that have come thru the dealer would have been from China.

Can the dealer make money on that end? Maybe, but dude, $40,000 for a Chinese SUV? Unless that dealer has a death wish and wanted to close up shop, you won't set the price that high.... That's above the price for a Toyota Rav 4, Hyundai Tuscon, Grand Vitara......Sure, almost all of them now cost around 100,000 but still, would Russian have stomach for a $40,000 Chinese SUV??

Chinese are capitalists. Money matters. More money matters more. I am not badmouthing chinese, Vietnamese are no different. They will squeeze the Russians until the last penny. Does Putin have a choice? No. After that, Russia going burst, Ccp will provide loans with no strings attached. As usual.
It's like highway robbery.......But at least when it was expensive and it was European the Russian can complaint about it as Russia is not the all weather brother the Chinese proclaim, this, I know for a fact, upset a lot of Russia who saw Chinese as a friend and are helping out in the time of needed. Instead, they have this.....
 
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46% tariff would not account for 100% price increase.

I don't think Geely have any local dealer in Russia, because I don't think Geely is made in Russia, so every car that have come thru the dealer would have been from China.

Can the dealer make money on that end? Maybe, but dude, $40,000 for a Chinese SUV? Unless that dealer has a death wish and wanted to close up shop, you won't set the price that high.... That's above the price for a Toyota Rav 4, Hyundai Tuscon, Grand Vitara......Sure, almost all of them now cost around 100,000 but still, would Russian have stomach for a $40,000 Chinese SUV??


It's like highway robbery.......But at least when it was expensive and it was European the Russian can complaint about it as Russia is not the all weather brother the Chinese proclaim, this, I know for a fact, upset a lot of Russia who saw Chinese as a friend and are helping out in the time of needed. Instead, they have this.....
Chinese automobile manufacturers must hand over their cars to local Russian businessmen, who then sell them. Moreover, prices in Russia are generally rising, which is a social phenomenon, not an individual case. So I think the problem lies with the retailers in Russia.
 
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46% tariff would not account for 100% price increase.

I don't think Geely have any local dealer in Russia, because I don't think Geely is made in Russia, so every car that have come thru the dealer would have been from China.

Can the dealer make money on that end? Maybe, but dude, $40,000 for a Chinese SUV? Unless that dealer has a death wish and wanted to close up shop, you won't set the price that high.... That's above the price for a Toyota Rav 4, Hyundai Tuscon, Grand Vitara......Sure, almost all of them now cost around 100,000 but still, would Russian have stomach for a $40,000 Chinese SUV??


It's like highway robbery.......But at least when it was expensive and it was European the Russian can complaint about it as Russia is not the all weather brother the Chinese proclaim, this, I know for a fact, upset a lot of Russia who saw Chinese as a friend and are helping out in the time of needed. Instead, they have this.....
Yes that’s correct. The high tariffs don’t explain the price hike.

Chinese automobile manufacturers must hand over their cars to local Russian businessmen, who then sell them. Moreover, prices in Russia are generally rising, which is a social phenomenon, not an individual case. So I think the problem lies with the retailers in Russia.
Russia has bigger problem. Yes Russia makes cars however factories making domestic cars are totally collapsing. Even if they can make Russians don’t buy because cheap quality. Russia imports cars however getting no new western cars.
Russia importers buy western cars preferably used German cars then sell in giant used car markets like one in St. Petersburg.
Cars worth less than 50,000 euros can be imported legally in Russia. Import tariffs about 6,000 euros for a 2 liter car.
For western cars worth more than 50,000 euros the car dealers wash money over accounts in China and Georgia.

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The high prices in Russia is because of the russian central bank's failure to lower the ruble exchange rate, which has made every russian massively rich, which has caused a massive demand spike, which has caused massive inflation.

The longer they fail to lower the ruble exchange rate, the worse it gets.

It's the same reason why cars in the U.S. went up in price by 100% in the last few years due to people's effective income growing massively.

Massively richer citizens means hyperinflation.

The cure for hyperinflation is to make people poorer.

This is the reason the russian central bank is floating the idea of converting massive amounts of rubles into rmb, and the reason why the fed is raising rates to the moon.
 
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Chinese automobile manufacturers must hand over their cars to local Russian businessmen, who then sell them. Moreover, prices in Russia are generally rising, which is a social phenomenon, not an individual case. So I think the problem lies with the retailers in Russia.
It's not dealer skim off 30% on top of whatever RRP is. It's nearly 100% increase, if a car doesn't sell, not only the dealer suffers, Geely suffer too because they have to pay for the car they made, which mean dealer going that deep would be crossing the hair behind Geely back. Those dealers are not going to be able to do that unless Geely okay with that.

Also, it's not just 1 single dealer, it's not just 2, it's the general price it was selling in Russia. If you have 1 or 2 jacking up the price, it still makes sense, but all of them??
 
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