China expands its reach in the South China Sea. What's the end goal?

[Snomannen]

China was colonial land of Mongolian and Manchurian people in the past. Don't say that Mongolian and Manchurian are Han Chinese.

Do you even know what colony means you bloody idiot.

「...(逆賊)不知本朝之為滿洲，猶中國之有籍貫。」
"(traitors) are so foolish, for they don't even understand that Manchu is a part of China."
--Yongzheng, emperor of Qing Dynasty.

「...將流入黑龍江之額爾古納河為界。河之南岸、屬於中國。河之北岸、屬於鄂羅斯。」
"Argun river will be set as the border (between the two countries). The land from the south of the river belongs to China; the land from the north of the river belongs to Russia."
--Nerchinsk Treaty

Find yourself a map and search where Argun river is would you, traitors?

If Manchurian really considered China a "colony", than they also considered the homeland of Manchurian, North-East of China (Manchurian), was a part of the "colony (China)".


建國號詔

誕膺景命，奄四海以宅尊﹔必有美名，紹百王而紀統。肇從隆古，匪獨我家。且唐之為言蕩也，堯以之而著稱﹔虞之為言樂也，舜因之而作號。馴至禹興而湯造，互 名夏大以殷中，世降以還，事殊非古。雖乘時而有國，不以利而制稱。為秦為漢者，著從初起之地名﹔曰隋曰唐者，因即所封之爵邑。且皆徇百姓見聞之偶習，要一 時經制之權宜，概以至公，不無少貶。我太祖聖武皇帝，握乾符而起朔土，以神武而膺帝圖，四震天聲，大恢土宇，輿圖之廣，歷古所無。頃者耆宿詣庭，奏草申 請，謂既成於大業，宜早定於鴻名。在古制以當然，於朕心乎何有！可建國號曰大元，蓋取《易經》乾元之義，茲大冶流形於庶品，孰名資始之功。予一人底寧於萬 邦，尤切體仁之要，事從因革，道協天人。於戲！稱義而名，固非為之溢美﹔孚休惟永，尚不負於投艱。嘉與敷天，共隆大號！


From the proclamation of the founding of Yuan dynasty above, we can see that the Yuan rulers claimed the succession of former Chinese dynasties from Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors to Tang dynasty~ What kind of regime would ever claim itself as a succession of its "colony"?

You are really a brainless retard, so are those who liked your stupid post~

 

[Zero_wing]

Comrade daedalus your right but the chinese imperials dont want fairness otherwise it will would have never come to this suma total this people want war but they want to blame the claimants and some other guy so they can claim without true opposition.

 

[Angkorianwarrior]

And the point im trying to raise is that this should be decided by the international court. Cause there is no one else to show this evidence of both the parties to. The one who shows some kind of evidence gets the land other will be tossed out legally.

^^ It doesn't need to be decided by the international court. Anybody that knows history well in that region clearly can see that Vietnam have no legal right to claim those disputed islands period. That is why China doesn't want to waste time with the international court.

 

[EastSea]

^^ I just ask you a simple question? What gives you the right to claim those islands in the South China Sea? How is that trolling? I'm Cambodian for your info.

OK.
In time of Vietnamese Le Dynasty, warlords Nguyen Hoang ruled southern Vietnam, Vietnamese is the first who has been controlled officially Paracel Islands, and later on Paracel Islands.

This is old map "Map of Quảng Nam region" (1680 - 1705) has a recorded the name " Bãi Cát Vàng " (the name calling previously to Hoàng Sa in Vietnamese or Paracel in English).

 

[EastSea]

Do you even know what colony means you bloody idiot.

「...(逆賊)不知本朝之為滿洲，猶中國之有籍貫。」
"(traitors) are so foolish, for they don't even understand that Manchu is a part of China."
--Yongzheng, emperor of Qing Dynasty.

「...將流入黑龍江之額爾古納河為界。河之南岸、屬於中國。河之北岸、屬於鄂羅斯。」
"Argun river will be set as the border (between the two countries). The land from the south of the river belongs to China; the land from the north of the river belongs to Russia."
--Nerchinsk Treaty

Find yourself a map and search where Argun river is would you, traitors?

If Manchurian really considered China a "colony", than they also considered the homeland of Manchurian, North-East of China (Manchurian), was a part of the "colony (China)".


建國號詔

誕膺景命，奄四海以宅尊﹔必有美名，紹百王而紀統。肇從隆古，匪獨我家。且唐之為言蕩也，堯以之而著稱﹔虞之為言樂也，舜因之而作號。馴至禹興而湯造，互 名夏大以殷中，世降以還，事殊非古。雖乘時而有國，不以利而制稱。為秦為漢者，著從初起之地名﹔曰隋曰唐者，因即所封之爵邑。且皆徇百姓見聞之偶習，要一 時經制之權宜，概以至公，不無少貶。我太祖聖武皇帝，握乾符而起朔土，以神武而膺帝圖，四震天聲，大恢土宇，輿圖之廣，歷古所無。頃者耆宿詣庭，奏草申 請，謂既成於大業，宜早定於鴻名。在古制以當然，於朕心乎何有！可建國號曰大元，蓋取《易經》乾元之義，茲大冶流形於庶品，孰名資始之功。予一人底寧於萬 邦，尤切體仁之要，事從因革，道協天人。於戲！稱義而名，固非為之溢美﹔孚休惟永，尚不負於投艱。嘉與敷天，共隆大號！


From the proclamation of the founding of Yuan dynasty above, we can see that the Yuan rulers claimed the succession of former Chinese dynasties from Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors to Tang dynasty~ What kind of regime would ever claim itself as a succession of its "colony"?

You are really a brainless retard, so are those who liked your stupid post~

You can not deny the truth is that Mongolian and Manchurian are no Han Chinese, they invaded in to China, conquered China and ruled China until 1911 ACE.

without intervention of Soviet Russia and two nuke of USA in Japan in WW II, China is under control of Japan until now.

And you could say in the same analogy that Japanese is Altaic people like Manchurian, they went to Japan Islands in ancient time, and now they settled back to mainlands to rule China like Manchurian did in the past.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You can not deny the truth is that Mongolian and Manchurian are no Han Chinese, they invaded in to China, conquered China and ruled China until 1911 ACE.

without intervention of Soviet Russia and two nuke of USA in Japan in WW II, China is under control of Japan until now.

And you could say in the same analogy that Japanese is Altaic people like Manchurian, they went to Japan Islands in ancient time, and now they settled back to mainlands to rule China like Manchurian did in the past.

Japanese are not Altaic, the myth has been debunked.

 

[EastSea]

Japanese are not Altaic, the myth has been debunked.

no.

base on language spoken by North Asia people, Altaic language is a proposed language family of central Eurasia. Various versions include the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Koreanic, and Japonic languages.

Altaic languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

no.

base on language spoken by North Asia people, Altaic language is a proposed language family of central Eurasia. Various versions include the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Koreanic, and Japonic languages.

Altaic languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nothing but a non-basis assumption.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Its funny how the Vietnamese on here go crazy about how great Japan is. You love them do they love you?

Vietnamese people in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[EastSea]

Nothing but a non-basis assumption.

or we say about bloodline, chromosome structure of human DNA, Japanese shared O2b genetic cluster with Mongolian, Korean and Manchurian too.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

or we say about bloodline, chromosome structure of human DNA, Japanese shared O2b genetic cluster with Mongolian, Korean and Manchurian too.

Their main haplogroup is D, which is the brother clade of the haplogroup E.

 

[EastSea]

Its funny how the Vietnamese on here go crazy about how great Japan is. You love them do they love you?

Vietnamese people in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In our history we don't have conflict with Japan in ancient time. In WW II Japan Imperial army treated in Vietnam base on agreement with France colony Govt.

It estimates that perhaps 5,000 Japanese soldiers didn't given up themselves to ally and stayed behind in Vietnam in the fall of 1945 and joined to guerrilla army of Ho Chi Minh. Such "new Vietnamese" as they called themselves, fought against France Army for Independence of Vietnam until 1954.

 

[EastSea]

Their main haplogroup is D, which is the brother clade of the haplogroup E.

You made a mistake. The main DNA of Japanese is O2b with Korean.

Japanese shared halogroup D with Mongolian, Manchurian, Northern Han, Southern Han and Vietnamese.

 

[Snomannen]

You can not deny the truth is that Mongolian and Manchurian are no Han Chinese, they invaded in to China, conquered China and ruled China until 1911 ACE.

without intervention of Soviet Russia and two nuke of USA in Japan in WW II, China is under control of Japan until now.

And you could say in the same analogy that Japanese is Altaic people like Manchurian, they went to Japan Islands in ancient time, and now they settled back to mainlands to rule China like Manchurian did in the past.

Of course (inner) Mongolian and Manchurian are not Han Chinese, they are freaking Chinese you goddamn idiot. I really wonder what is your tiny lil' brain made of.

The topic is not even relevant about usa and ussr, so why don't you stop being a freaking prophet and stop trying to hurt our brains with your stupidity.

Manchurian consider themselves as Chinese and the dynasty they found is a Chinese dynasty. Japanese (who will never call themselves Chinese) and Manchurian are totally different you brainless moron.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Manchus overall look more Chinese than Japanese.

And here is one of the descendants of the Qing royalty.