China ditches US nuclear technology in favour of home-grown alternative

[Sheikh Rauf]

Too bad the Asians in China have been dumb for the last 8000 years otherwise we'd have had computers and airplanes 500+ years ago. How was mankind so unlucky to have 100's of millions of smart people doing nothing for centuries. The apparent answer is luckily a few escaped Asia to the West and single handily moved everything forward. They were secretly in the background when trains, planes, automobiles, electricity, televisions, telephones, radio, elevators, steel/glass skyscrapers, and everything else was invented. We should all be grateful and in awe.

it was wars which brought mankind towards tech, then the fought when they kill each other they made peace now all those years they have been developing now its another war waiting for another peace and development . later on our next generations will call us dump that we were so slow in progress.

 

[Pandora]

Geez..even nuclear power generation in China was achieved with US help.
@KAL-EL @F-22Raptor

I remember all the "so what has the US done" threads.
More like what have we not done.

3 Gorges dam. US General Electric supplied waterwheels and other stuff.

Did you go blind at part where it says AP1000 and Hualong 1 both are based on french technology? US is not the sole tech power house in the world so please get rid of you arrogance.

Hualong One is based on the China National Nuclear Corporation’s ACP 1000 and the China General Nuclear Power Group’s ACPR 1000 – both of which are based on French technology.

 

[antonius123]

No, your history is terrible. The average farmer in China 30 years ago was using an oxen to plow their fields. Exactly how it was done over 1000 years ago. Think about it. Jump in a time machine and what big changes will you see 100, 500, 1000, 2000 years ago for the average man.


Did it ever cross your minds back then to look forward...as we do?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Did you go blind at part where it says AP1000 and Hualong 1 both are based on french technology? US is not the sole tech power house in the world so please get rid of you arrogance.

Um, no I'm not blind but please familiarize yourself with the history of the AP1000 before making a quick comment.

AP1000 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The AP1000: A Pressurized Water Reactor

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[sinait]

Too bad the Asians in China have been dumb for the last 8000 years otherwise we'd have had computers and airplanes 500+ years ago. How was mankind so unlucky to have 100's of millions of smart people doing nothing for centuries. The apparent answer is luckily a few escaped Asia to the West and single handily moved everything forward. They were secretly in the background when trains, planes, automobiles, electricity, televisions, telephones, radio, elevators, steel/glass skyscrapers, and everything else was invented. We should all be grateful and in awe.

You can claim some credit if you have Dutch ancestry.

The creation of the Dutch Stock Market made possible the the pooling of private resources and gave rise to the modern economy which sparked the flood of inventions and innovations.

And of course much of the "private resources" came from PLUNDERING their Colonies.
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[dbc]

China can fully export hualong one nuclear reactor, doesnt sounds like it derives from certain technology.

http://en.cnnc.com.cn/HPR1000.html

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"Hualong One (HPR 1000) is the 3rd-generation nuclear power brand to which China has exclusive intellectual property rights. "

Nope HPR1000 is an evolution of CPR-1000 using the 3-loop French M310 design IP owned by AREVA.
A copy of a copy of a copy of a copy is still a copy.


CPR-1000

(‘Improved Chinese PWR’) design, with an electric output of 1000MWe, is based on the 900MWe 3- loop French M310 plants and make the largest proportion of current reactors under constructions. Even though China has a nearly complete domestic supply chain for the CPR-1000, the intellectual property rights are retained by AREVA and thus restricts its use to domestic market.

ACPR-1000
Power Corporation based on the CPR-1000 (CGNPC) with full Chinese intellectual property rights. The design focuses on the safe performance of the reactor while improving the economic efficiency. This enhanced version of the 3-loop CPR-1000 has higher seismic standards, features a double containment and a reactor core catcher for SA mitigation purposes.

Hualong One (HPR1000)

The Hualong One, now officially called the HPR1000 by the Chinese government, is the result of China National Nuclear Corperation (CNNC) and CGNPC merging their design as suggested by the Chinese National Energy Administration. The Hualong uses systems from CNNC’s ACP-1000 and CGNPC’s ACPR-1000. Both reactors were conventional 3-loop PWRs, but ACP-1000 core design was finally adopted to be placed in the Hualong One

https://aris.iaea.org/Publications/IAEA_WRC_Booklet.pdf

 

[Beast]

Nope HPR1000 is an evolution of CPR-1000 using the 3-loop French M310 design IP owned by AREVA.
A copy of a copy of a copy of a copy is still a copy.


CPR-1000

(‘Improved Chinese PWR’) design, with an electric output of 1000MWe, is based on the 900MWe 3- loop French M310 plants and make the largest proportion of current reactors under constructions. Even though China has a nearly complete domestic supply chain for the CPR-1000, the intellectual property rights are retained by AREVA and thus restricts its use to domestic market.

ACPR-1000
Power Corporation based on the CPR-1000 (CGNPC) with full Chinese intellectual property rights. The design focuses on the safe performance of the reactor while improving the economic efficiency. This enhanced version of the 3-loop CPR-1000 has higher seismic standards, features a double containment and a reactor core catcher for SA mitigation purposes.

Hualong One (HPR1000)

The Hualong One, now officially called the HPR1000 by the Chinese government, is the result of China National Nuclear Corperation (CNNC) and CGNPC merging their design as suggested by the Chinese National Energy Administration. The Hualong uses systems from CNNC’s ACP-1000 and CGNPC’s ACPR-1000. Both reactors were conventional 3-loop PWRs, but ACP-1000 core design was finally adopted to be placed in the Hualong One

https://aris.iaea.org/Publications/IAEA_WRC_Booklet.pdf

Sorry, your article is very wrong and not accurate. Just becos it use 3 loop, doesn't make it a copy. So if every car is 4 wheels then all car are copy of German original 4 wheel steam engine car?

Your article claim ARAEVA retain right and hualong one can only used for domestic is nothing but BS to satisfy China haters like you who think China can't design anything original. Remember hualong one has many China IP right. China are free to export to whoever she deemed.

Reactor internals installed at second Hualong One unit in Pakistan

Installation has been completed of the reactor internals of the Hualong One reactor under construction at unit 3 of the Karachi nuclear power plant in Pakistan. Those for unit 2 were installed in January 2019. The units are scheduled for commercial operation in 2021 and 2022, respectively.;

world-nuclear-news.org

China expected to export nuclear technology to UK - People's Daily Online

China is expected to export nuclear technology to the UK, a traditional nuclear power that realized commercialization of nuclear energy, after China's Hualong One reactor finally gets a permit to enter the latter’s market, sources from China General Nuclear Power Group (CGN) told the People’s Daily.

en.people.cn

 

[dbc]

Sorry, your article is very wrong and not accurate. Just becos it use 3 loop, doesn't make it a copy. So if every car is 4 wheels then all car are copy of German original 4 wheel steam engine car?

Your article claim ARAEVA retain right and hualong one can only used for domestic is nothing but BS to satisfy China haters like you who think China can't design anything original. Remember hualong one has many China IP right. China are free to export to whoever she deemed.

Reactor internals installed at second Hualong One unit in Pakistan

Installation has been completed of the reactor internals of the Hualong One reactor under construction at unit 3 of the Karachi nuclear power plant in Pakistan. Those for unit 2 were installed in January 2019. The units are scheduled for commercial operation in 2021 and 2022, respectively.;

world-nuclear-news.org

China expected to export nuclear technology to UK - People's Daily Online

China is expected to export nuclear technology to the UK, a traditional nuclear power that realized commercialization of nuclear energy, after China's Hualong One reactor finally gets a permit to enter the latter’s market, sources from China General Nuclear Power Group (CGN) told the People’s Daily.

en.people.cn

Sorry are you challenging the accuracy of a IAEA Report - ok lol!
You do know what the IAEA is I hope?

The Statute of the IAEA | IAEA

Contents by Article and Title I. Establishment of the Agency XIII. Reimbursement of Members II. Objectives XIV. Finance III. Functions XV. Privileges and immunities IV. Membership XVI. Relationship with other organizations V. General Conference XVII. Settlement of disputes VI. Board of Governors...

www.iaea.org

Still a copy of a copy dear no matter how you spin it...

 

[Beast]

Sorry are you challenging the accuracy of a IAEA Report - ok lol!
You do know what the IAEA is I hope?

The Statute of the IAEA | IAEA

Contents by Article and Title I. Establishment of the Agency XIII. Reimbursement of Members II. Objectives XIV. Finance III. Functions XV. Privileges and immunities IV. Membership XVI. Relationship with other organizations V. General Conference XVII. Settlement of disputes VI. Board of Governors...

www.iaea.org

Still a copy of a copy dear no matter how you spin it...

Sorry, it's not. If it's copy, France and US will able to block it for export.

It is a product with China IP right!

 

[dbc]

Sorry, it's not. If it's copy, France and US will able to block it for export.

It is a product with China IP right!

Sorry Beasty, Areva was sold to EDF and the UK plant is jointly built by EDF and CGN so no IP issues.
As long as EDF is getting its share under the joint venture General Nuclear Systems Limited you will not have any legal issues when HPR-1000 is exported.

 

[Beidou2020]

China should aggressively export the Hualong One reactor and grab market share from Western nuclear companies. It’s already being exported to Pakistan. I want to see it exported to Iran.

Once China (CRRC) got full IP rights in high speed trains, this is what happened to the other companies’ market share in high speed trains

There is some very nervous foreign nuclear companies shitting themselves looking at how much market share Hualong One will grab in the coming years.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

China should aggressively export the Hualong One reactor and grab market share from Western nuclear companies. It’s already being exported to Pakistan. I want to see it exported to Iran.

As long as you have a long-term plan on what all these countries can do to safely deal with all their spent radioactive fuel. There's a reason nuclear power it isn't exported aggressively.

China earmarks site to store nuclear waste underground

Researchers will conduct tests in Gansu to see whether the area will make a viable facility to store highly radioactive waste safely.

www.scmp.com

China earmarks site to store nuclear waste deep underground

"...High-level waste, however, is generated by the reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel and scientists generally agree that the safest way to dispose of it is to bury it deep underground in areas where the geology means it will have a minimal impact on the environment while it decays over thousands of years..."

The strategy is to wait for nuclear fusion which will not have this horrible headache. In the future the fission waste could all be maybe moved to the moon but then stupid things happen:

oops! Next time send it into the sun.

 

[hualushui]

The design basis of "Hualong No. 1" is the Qinshan Phase II nuclear power plant, and the technical ability to develop the Qinshan Phase II nuclear power unit originated from the process of China's development of nuclear submarine power reactors

 

[hualushui]

Too bad the Asians in China have been dumb for the last 8000 years otherwise we'd have had computers and airplanes 500+ years ago. How was mankind so unlucky to have 100's of millions of smart people doing nothing for centuries. The apparent answer is luckily a few escaped Asia to the West and single handily moved everything forward. They were secretly in the background when trains, planes, automobiles, electricity, televisions, telephones, radio, elevators, steel/glass skyscrapers, and everything else was invented. We should all be grateful and in awe.

Without Chinese invented paper, you still wipe your *** with your hand

 

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Toliet paper didn't reach the west until the 19th century, they were using sponges before that.