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China could prove ultimate winner in Afghanistan
2:09p.m. EST January 26, 2013

KABUL (AP) — China, long a bystander to the conflict in Afghanistan, is stepping up its involvement as U.S.-led forces prepare to withdraw, attracted by the country's vast mineral resources but concerned that any post-2014 chaos could embolden Islamist insurgents in its own territory.

Cheered on by the U.S. and other Western governments, which see Asia's giant as a potentially stabilizing force, China could prove the ultimate winner in Afghanistan — having shed no blood and not much aid.

Security — or the lack of it — remains the key challenge: Chinese enterprises have already bagged three multibillion dollar investment projects, but they won't be able to go forward unless conditions get safer. While the Chinese do not appear ready to rush into any vacuum left by the withdrawal of foreign troops, a definite shift toward a more hands-on approach to Afghanistan is under way.

Beijing signed a strategic partnership last summer with the war-torn country. This was followed in September with a trip to Kabul by its top security official, the first by a leading Chinese government figure in 46 years, and the announcement that China would train 300 Afghan police officers. China is also showing signs of willingness to help negotiate a peace agreement as NATO prepares to pull out in two years.

It's a new role for China, as its growing economic might gives it a bigger stake in global affairs. Success, though far from guaranteed, could mean a big payoff for a country hungry for resources to sustain its economic growth and eager to maintain stability in Xinjiang.

"If you are able to see a more or less stable situation in Afghanistan, if it becomes another relatively normal Central Asian state, China will be the natural beneficiary," says Andrew Small, a China expert at The German Marshall Fund of the United States, an American research institute. "If you look across Central Asia, that is what has already happened. ... China is the only actor who can foot the level of investment needed in Afghanistan to make it succeed and stick it out."

Over the past decade, China's trade has boomed with Afghanistan's resource-rich neighbors in Central Asia. For Turkmenistan, China trade reached 21 percent of GDP in 2011, up from 1 percent five years earlier, according to an Associated Press analysis of International Monetary Fund data. The equivalent figure for Tajikistan is 32 percent of GDP, versus 12 percent in 2006. China's trade with Afghanistan stood at a modest 1.3 percent of GDP in 2011.

Eyeing Afghanistan's estimated $1 trillion worth of unexploited minerals, Chinese companies have acquired rights to extract vast quantities of copper and coal and snapped up the first oil exploration concessions granted to foreigners in decades. China is also eyeing extensive deposits of lithium, uses of which range from batteries to nuclear components.

The Chinese are also showing interest in investing in hydropower, agriculture and construction. Preliminary talks have been held about a direct road link to China across the remote 76-kilometer (47-mile) border between the two countries, according to Afghanistan's Foreign Ministry.

Wang Lian, a Central Asia expert at Beijing University, notes that superpowers have historically been involved in Afghanistan because it is an Asian crossroads — and China would be no exception.

"It's unquestionable that China bears the responsibility to participate in the political and economic reconstruction of Afghanistan," he says. "A stable Afghanistan is of vital importance to (China). China can't afford to stand aside following the U.S. troop withdrawal and in the process of political transition."

A stable Afghanistan, Wang says, is vital to the security of Xinjiang, China's far west where Islamic militants are seeking independence. Some have gained sanctuary and training in Pakistan and along the Pakistan-Afghan border. Beijing fears chaos, or victory by the Taliban, would allow these groups greater leeway.

The U.S. is encouraging Beijing to boost its investment and aid in Afghanistan and backs its participation in various peace-seeking initiatives, including a Pakistan-Afghanistan-China forum that met last month for the second time.

Afghan Foreign Ministry spokesman Janan Mosazai says there has been a greater sharing of intelligence between his country and China, and a joint U.S.-Chinese program to mentor junior Afghan diplomats. In one of the only cases of such cooperation in the world, the U.S. brought 15 diplomats to Washington, D.C., last month, after they had received similar training in China. Similar three-way programs are being developed in health and agriculture.

"Recently, China has taken a keener interest in the security situation and the transition process, and we are more than happy that this is increasing," Mosazai says. "It's certainly a change, a welcome change."

He adds that Beijing could play a crucial role in forging peace in Afghanistan because of its close relations to Pakistan, which has long-standing links to the Taliban, whose leadership is widely believed to operate from the country.

Davood Moradian, who heads the Afghan Institute for Strategic Studies in Kabul, says the Chinese are treading carefully, realizing they lack expertise in a complex political landscape that has tripped up other great powers.

"The Chinese are ambiguous. They don't want the Taliban to return to power and are concerned about a vacuum after 2014 that the Taliban could fill, but they also don't like having U.S. troops in their neighborhood," he says.

Should the Chinese step into the peace process, either as a principal intermediary or through Pakistan, they could carry considerable weight.

"They are rare among the actors in Afghanistan in that they are not seen as having been too close to any side of the conflict. All sides are happy to see China's expanded role," Small says.

Though China doesn't want a Taliban takeover, Beijing regards the group as a "legitimate political force," says Small. Beijing was on its way to recognizing the Taliban as the government of Afghanistan before the 9/11 attacks that led to the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.

The Afghan government has backed off from earlier criticism that the Chinese were not contributing their share to security and reconstruction of the country.

"There was an attitude that the Chinese were just interested in profiting from other people's loss, the blood and sweat of American and other troops," says Moradian. "But that is changing
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For successful mining of Afghanistan's resources, China need stable A-stan. Same goes for India who has also made investment in this country. Lets hope all nations work towards stable Afghanistan.

But we both may face difficulty if Taliban gets portion of control of A-stan.
 
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For successful mining of Afghanistan's resources, China need stable A-stan. Same goes for India who has also made investment in this country. Lets hope all nations work towards stable Afghanistan.

But we both may face difficulty if Taliban gets portion of control of A-stan.

Afghanistan and Africa are traps laid by NATO for China and India to slow down the growing economies of both China and India, The real battle between US and China is already underway in Africa.

India should not side US or China and should follow defensive strategy.

This is the very reason US is inviting India to take up bigger role in Afghanistan.
 
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I have often thought that Mao style mass execution of extremists could be an answer to Afghanistan security problems followed by precise assassination of all Mullahs and bringing all mosque and madrassash under state control!
 
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I will love to see China in Afghanistan...countering Taliban and Pakistan interests......
 
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China's presence in Afghanistan will be good for the region, fight against extremism and economic prosperity of Afghanistan.
 
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Afghanistan and Africa are traps laid by NATO for China and India to slow down the growing economies of both China and India, The real battle between US and China is already underway in Africa.

India should not side US or China and should follow defensive strategy.

This is the very reason US is inviting India to take up bigger role in Afghanistan.

Yes Indeed, you believe that you gonna get something after China-US exhaust battleling each other?? U.S is helplessly invited India because they can't withstand to counter China along in Afghanistan due to the fact that they're too far away from their own homeland, China just Afghanistan neighbor while India has no frontier with this country, dream to have bigger role doesn't help your cause...American strategy to use India to serve their interest is just epic fail.

Ultimately, US and China will have to sit and arrange some win-win deal, the worst nightmare for you is that China-US come with so secret agreement that exclude India such as we buy Afghanistan resource, US get a some reward $$$ for managing the security and India get nothing.

...and beside don't dream to carry any resource back to India even Afghanistan gorvernement is willing to sell...your old silk road to Afghanistan and central Asia is not longer exist thank to Pakistan...unless you beg them...oh sure Iran road I forgot :lol:

I will love to see China in Afghanistan...countering Taliban and Pakistan interests......

LOL, most likely we're there just for you.
 
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China needs to collaborate with PAK IMO in order to kick out the chanakyan vulture from AF. China is way too pacifist when it comes to foreign policies in rest of Asia barring East asia. But then it has its own advantage & helps in enhancing china's soft power & good will. But China needs to be a little more assertive for the sake of stability of Asia & further development of china.
 
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China needs to collaborate with PAK IMO in order to kick out the chanakyan vulture from AF. China is way to pacifist when it comes to foreign policies in rest of Asia barring East asia. But then it has its own advantage & helps in enhancing china's soft power & good will. But China needs to be a little more assertive for the sake of stability of Asia & further development of china.

Sorry for my Ignorance, what PAK IMO stand for?
 
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Yes Indeed, you believe that you gonna get something after China-US exhaust battleling each other?? U.S is helplessly invited India because they can't withstand to counter China along in Afghanistan

We seem to have a Chinese Zaid Hamid in making

You seriously think China is remotely capable of affecting the events in Afghanistan? :lol:


due to the fact that they're too far away from their own homeland, China just Afghanistan neighbor while India has no frontier with this country, dream to have bigger role doesn't help your cause...American strategy to use India to serve their interest is just epic fail.

Ultimately, US and China will have to sit and arrange some win-win deal, the worst nightmare for you is that China-US come with so secret agreement that exclude India such as we buy Afghanistan resource, US get a some reward $$$ for managing the security and India get nothing.

In you deluded retarded analysis, you forget a basic premise for Chinese presence in Afghanistan. The approval of Afghans themselves.

Given Chinese pro-Pakistani stance, i wonder how many Afghan will appreciate that.

Also Chinese benefits in the long-run for Afghan reconstruction doesn't seem favorable.

¶9. (SBU) COMMENT: China's record in Afghan reconstruction is mixed, with security and logistical concerns, not unknown among other KABUL 00000782 003 OF 003 foreigners here, underlining performance problems. Chinese officials emphasize that China has generously donated to humanitarian causes in Afghanistan and that the Chinese government does not promote any one sector over another. However, most Chinese resources and commitments focus on natural resource extraction related to Chinese domestic industrial development and infrastructure projects related to that extraction or that primarily benefit Chinese commercial interests in Afghanistan. Chinese road and rail projects are situated near major supply routes and Chinese investments, and will ultimately facilitate the import of construction materials from China and exports of natural resources to China. At Aynak, it remains to be seen how much of the investment MCC will actually deliver (township development, power station, railway) and how vigorously they will pursue environmental protection (a condition of the project). The large number of Chinese laborers to be brought in suggests less Afghan job creation than would ideally be the case. Afghanistan, China and others in the international community have a shared interest in improving security conditions to enable Chinese reconstruction-related investment to proceed and ensuring that such investment achieves a balance between investor- and host-country interests. We remain optimistic that the Chinese will continue to support reconstruction as security, hopefully, improves, but we are wary that timelines for Kajaki and Aynak will be stretched if security remains a pressing concern. End Comment. WOOD

Are The Chinese Reliable Partners For Afghan Reconstruction?

Corrupt Afghan Officials "Milk the Chinese Cow"


--------------------------------------------- -- ¶2. (C) Corrupt Afghan officials took large bribes from MCC to facilitate the company's bids on the Aynak copper mine tender and Hajigak iron ore tender, Afghan Embassy Commercial Attache Abdul Munir told EconOff January 8. Unable to get kickbacks from U.S. and European companies, Afghan officials saw the Chinese company as "a cow to milk" for bribes, according to Munir. He claimed that Afghan Foreign Minister Spanta received $45 million of payments from MCC and that former Minister of Mines Adel received $30 million from the company through middlemen in Dubai. He said former Afghan Ambassador to China Eklil Hakimi was also involved in this "mafia" of corruption, advising MCC on its bids in exchange for large bribes. At one point, Ambassador Hakimi advised MCC to propose constructing a railway as part of its Aynak proposal. According to Munir, the company saw no economic reason to build the railway but took Ambassador Hakimi's advice to ensure a successful bid. Although MCC committed to building the railway as part of the contract, Munir predicted that MCC would never build it unless the Afghan and Chinese governments pressured the company to do so.


Afghan Businesses Cheated in China ----------------------------------

¶3. (C) Small-scale Afghan businesses are regularly defrauded by unlicensed Chinese companies and shady middlemen, said Munir, who has received 50 complaints of commercial fraud in the last three years. According to Munir, the inexperienced Afghan businessmen typically come to China looking for cheap Chinese goods to import but fall victim to unlicensed Chinese companies that take up to 50 percent of payment up front and then never deliver the promised goods. Munir's complaints to the Chinese Ministry of Commerce and police in Xinjiang (where most of the deals have taken place) have yielded few results, with only five of the 50 cases resolved favorably for the Afghan businesses.

China-afghan Relations Plagued By Corruption, Says Afghan Diplomat

...and beside don't dream to carry any resource back to India even Afghanistan gorvernement is willing to sell...your old silk road to Afghanistan and central Asia is not longer exist thank to Pakistan...unless you beg them...oh sure Iran road I forgot :lol:

Seems like you are geographically challenged in this region too, not just limited rivers from Tibet.



LOL, most likely we're there just for you.

It"ll be treat to see how China balances India there, let alone prevent extremist elements spillover into Xinjiang.
 
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China needs to collaborate with PAK IMO in order to kick out the chanakyan vulture from AF. China is way too pacifist when it comes to foreign policies in rest of Asia barring East asia. But then it has its own advantage & helps in enhancing china's soft power & good will. But China needs to be a little more assertive for the sake of stability of Asia & further development of china.

ETIM has links with Al-Qaida thus if Taliban getting stronger in Afghanistan means more problem for China in Xinjiang. So, stop poonting on this thread with your funny fantasy. :cheesy:
 
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ETIM has links with Al-Qaida thus if Taliban getting stronger in Afghanistan means more problem for China in Xinjiang. So, stop poonting on this thread with your funny fantasy. :cheesy:

The only ones poonting here R U guys. :lol:
 
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Yes Indeed, you believe that you gonna get something after China-US exhaust battleling each other?? U.S is helplessly invited India because they can't withstand to counter China along in Afghanistan due to the fact that they're too far away from their own homeland, China just Afghanistan neighbor while India has no frontier with this country, dream to have bigger role doesn't help your cause...American strategy to use India to serve their interest is just epic fail.

Ultimately, US and China will have to sit and arrange some win-win deal, the worst nightmare for you is that China-US come with so secret agreement that exclude India such as we buy Afghanistan resource, US get a some reward $$$ for managing the security and India get nothing.

...and beside don't dream to carry any resource back to India even Afghanistan gorvernement is willing to sell...your old silk road to Afghanistan and central Asia is not longer exist thank to Pakistan...unless you beg them...oh sure Iran road I forgot :lol:



LOL, most likely we're there just for you.

Indians have more influence in Afghanistan, they understand our language, they love our Films and music, they come to India in large numbers. But still I think India and China all have same interests in Afghanistan.


By the way, China shares only 12km of border with Afghanistan. But we are extremely thankful to Iran for giving us a route to Afghanistan.

The only ones poonting here R U guys. :lol:

Please explain your fantasy. :lol:
 
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