China Civilian Nuclear Industry, Technology, Exports and Supply Chain: News & Discussions

[beijingwalker]

Pilot nuclear reactor in China a model for UK exports

 

[cirr]

China to build 40 nuclear power plants over the next five years

The Chinese state is playing a key role in the UK's nuclear power ambitions, too

Jon Stone

Monday 4 January 2016 10:20 BST

There are already 22 nuclear power plants under construction in China, according to the World Nuclear Association Getty Images

The People’s Republic of China is set to build around 40 domestic nuclear power plants over the next five years, the country’s Government has said.

The country’s 13th five year plan period, running from 2016 to 2020, includes provisions for building six to eight new nuclear power plants a year.

If all goes according to plan, the country will aim to increase its output to ten plants a year past 2020.

British energy policymakers will be eyeing China’s domestic nuclear power programme with interest after the country’s government signed a deal to finance the next generation of UK nuclear power.

Chinese Communist Party general secretary Xi Jinping signed the £40bn UK deal as part of a series of investment accords in a visit to the UK in October.

The deal will see the state-owned General Nuclear Corporation take a two-thirds stake in the Bradwell nuclear power plant, where a Chinese-designed nuclear reactor is planned.

A one-third stake will be taken in Hinkley Point, a plant run by the French state-owned firm EDF. A one-fifth stake will be taken in a project at the Sizewell plant.

David Cameron hailed the deal as “historic” and said the new plants would provide “reliable” power to homes and businesses.

Meanwhile, China’s £385bn domestic programme represents a large increase in nuclear power use in the country.

Mainland China currently has 30 nuclear power reactors in operation and 22 under construction, according to the World Nuclear Association.

A three-fold increase in generating capacity is planned by 2020-21, with the part aim of reducing reliance on coal and the air pollution it causes.

Nuclear power does not release carbon or particulates into the atmosphere. It however creates toxic and mildly radioactive waste which must be stored indefinitely at significant cost. Clean-up costs for nuclear power stations are also high and often hidden from initial estimates.

It is also common for nuclear power projects to experience significant delays and to go wildly over-budget.

China’s domestic commitment comes after an estimate of how much nuclear power would be needed by the State Nuclear Power Technology Corporation dating from in September 2013.

China to build 40 nuclear power plants over the next five years | UK Politics | News | The Independent

 

[Pulsar]

And where are China's polluting coal fired plants being transferred to? Pakistan as part of the CPEC!!!

In August 2013 it said that China should reduce its carbon emissions by 40-45% by 2020 from 2005 levels, and would aim to boost renewable energy to 15% of its total primary energy consumption by 2020.

In March 2014 China said that the government was declaring “war on pollution” and would accelerate closing coal-fired power stations. In November 2014 the Premier announced that China intended about 20% of its primary energy consumption to be from non-fossil fuels by 2030, at which time it intended its peak of CO2 emissions to occur.

So where are they going? 11 of these polluting coal fired plants would be transferred to Pakistan as China aims to reduce its own pollution levels!! Well, their sweeter than honey friend Pakistan has agreed to help the Chinese out by agreeing to install these coal plants in Pakistan (10 in Sindh) never mind the resultant pollution in Pakistan leading to more health issues and global warming. After all, what are friends for?

 

[Pakistani till death]

And where are China's polluting coal fired plants being transferred to? Pakistan as part of the CPEC!!!

In August 2013 it said that China should reduce its carbon emissions by 40-45% by 2020 from 2005 levels, and would aim to boost renewable energy to 15% of its total primary energy consumption by 2020.

In March 2014 China said that the government was declaring “war on pollution” and would accelerate closing coal-fired power stations. In November 2014 the Premier announced that China intended about 20% of its primary energy consumption to be from non-fossil fuels by 2030, at which time it intended its peak of CO2 emissions to occur.

So where are they going? 11 of these polluting coal fired plants would be transferred to Pakistan as China aims to reduce its own pollution levels!! Well, their sweeter than honey friend Pakistan has agreed to help the Chinese out by agreeing to install these coal plants in Pakistan (10 in Sindh) never mind the resultant pollution in Pakistan leading to more health issues and global warming. After all, what are friends for?

Any electricity is welcome right now in Pakistan! Anyways coal plants are just one of the several types of plants being set up. Nuclear plants are being built in karachi, we have solar plant in bahawalpur, wind farm as well and the chinese are going to fund dams as well.

 

[Genesis]

And where are China's polluting coal fired plants being transferred to? Pakistan as part of the CPEC!!!

In August 2013 it said that China should reduce its carbon emissions by 40-45% by 2020 from 2005 levels, and would aim to boost renewable energy to 15% of its total primary energy consumption by 2020.

In March 2014 China said that the government was declaring “war on pollution” and would accelerate closing coal-fired power stations. In November 2014 the Premier announced that China intended about 20% of its primary energy consumption to be from non-fossil fuels by 2030, at which time it intended its peak of CO2 emissions to occur.

So where are they going? 11 of these polluting coal fired plants would be transferred to Pakistan as China aims to reduce its own pollution levels!! Well, their sweeter than honey friend Pakistan has agreed to help the Chinese out by agreeing to install these coal plants in Pakistan (10 in Sindh) never mind the resultant pollution in Pakistan leading to more health issues and global warming. After all, what are friends for?

You remember when India wanted to do service sector instead of manufacturing? How did that work out for you.

We can build these plants at these speeds and at this scale, can India? No. Can Pakistan? No.

You can't put the wagon before the horse. That has never worked before and that will never work in the future.

We took the hit with these plants and now Pakistan will, if you think India can somehow by pass this phase, then by all means, it's nice to have a nice environment. It's just difficult to do something that cost money, when you have no money.

 

[Pulsar]

Any electricity is welcome right now in Pakistan! Anyways coal plants are just one of the several types of plants being set up. Nuclear plants are being built in karachi, we have solar plant in bahawalpur, wind farm as well and the chinese are going to fund dams as well.

Ok. But instead of spending the money on coal fired plants, solar energy was the way to go. It would have been better if you guys had insisted on this instead of agreeing to installing polluting coal plants.

India for example, as part of its Union Budget 2015-2016, aims to install 60 GW of wind power capacity and 100 GW of solar power capacity by 2022, which is more than six times the current installed capacities of approximately 22GW and 3GW, respectively, thus reducing the dependence on coal.

 

[Sipahi]

And where are China's polluting coal fired plants being transferred to? Pakistan as part of the CPEC!!!

In August 2013 it said that China should reduce its carbon emissions by 40-45% by 2020 from 2005 levels, and would aim to boost renewable energy to 15% of its total primary energy consumption by 2020.

In March 2014 China said that the government was declaring “war on pollution” and would accelerate closing coal-fired power stations. In November 2014 the Premier announced that China intended about 20% of its primary energy consumption to be from non-fossil fuels by 2030, at which time it intended its peak of CO2 emissions to occur.

So where are they going? 11 of these polluting coal fired plants would be transferred to Pakistan as China aims to reduce its own pollution levels!! Well, their sweeter than honey friend Pakistan has agreed to help the Chinese out by agreeing to install these coal plants in Pakistan (10 in Sindh) never mind the resultant pollution in Pakistan leading to more health issues and global warming. After all, what are friends for?

India 71.1% and China 75.9% are producing of their energy needs through coal whereas Pakistan is 0.1%. (so lectures are not welcome here)

We have all rights to pollute the world as our neighbors and should generate atleast 25% of electricity through coal since we have 184,975 million tons of coal at our disposal we cant eat that all.

Electricity production from coal sources (% of total) | Data | Table

 

[Pakistani till death]

Ok. But instead of spending the money on coal fired plants, solar energy was the way to go. It would have been better if you guys had insisted on this instead of agreeing to installing polluting coal plants.

India for example, as part of its Union Budget 2015-2016, aims to install 60 GW of wind power capacity and 100 GW of solar power capacity by 2022, which is more than six times the current installed capacities of approximately 22GW and 3GW, respectively, thus reducing the dependence on coal.

India has the money and technology. We don't! Renewable sources are the most expensive form of energy. Only hydro electric is cheap which we are using. Btw we are not using coal as much as we should! Coal the way forward for Pakistan!

 

[cirr]

India has the money and technology. We don't! Renewable sources are the most expensive form of energy. Only hydro electric is cheap which we are using. Btw we are not using coal as much as we should! Coal the way forward for Pakistan!

India has neither the money nor the technology to use anything other than electricity produced from coal-fired plants.

And where are China's polluting coal fired plants being transferred to? Pakistan as part of the CPEC!!!

In August 2013 it said that China should reduce its carbon emissions by 40-45% by 2020 from 2005 levels, and would aim to boost renewable energy to 15% of its total primary energy consumption by 2020.

In March 2014 China said that the government was declaring “war on pollution” and would accelerate closing coal-fired power stations. In November 2014 the Premier announced that China intended about 20% of its primary energy consumption to be from non-fossil fuels by 2030, at which time it intended its peak of CO2 emissions to occur.

So where are they going? 11 of these polluting coal fired plants would be transferred to Pakistan as China aims to reduce its own pollution levels!! Well, their sweeter than honey friend Pakistan has agreed to help the Chinese out by agreeing to install these coal plants in Pakistan (10 in Sindh) never mind the resultant pollution in Pakistan leading to more health issues and global warming. After all, what are friends for?

This from someone whose own country relies on coal-fired plants for over 80% of its electricity usage?

Listen dude, China might consider gifting India a few disused coal-fired plants if the latter promises to stay on its best behaviour.

 

[xunzi]

Ok. But instead of spending the money on coal fired plants, solar energy was the way to go. It would have been better if you guys had insisted on this instead of agreeing to installing polluting coal plants.

India for example, as part of its Union Budget 2015-2016, aims to install 60 GW of wind power capacity and 100 GW of solar power capacity by 2022, which is more than six times the current installed capacities of approximately 22GW and 3GW, respectively, thus reducing the dependence on coal.

You can't really compare India with us. India is a non-industrialized country.

 

[Kyle Sun]

Ok. But instead of spending the money on coal fired plants, solar energy was the way to go. It would have been better if you guys had insisted on this instead of agreeing to installing polluting coal plants.

India for example, as part of its Union Budget 2015-2016, aims to install 60 GW of wind power capacity and 100 GW of solar power capacity by 2022, which is more than six times the current installed capacities of approximately 22GW and 3GW, respectively, thus reducing the dependence on coal.

The capacity of peak modulation of solar plant sucks. It can only work as auxilary power plant.

If too much solar power capacity is integrated into the state grid, the wholet system will collapses.

 

[GS Zhou]

Ok. But instead of spending the money on coal fired plants, solar energy was the way to go. It would have been better if you guys had insisted on this instead of agreeing to installing polluting coal plants.

India for example, as part of its Union Budget 2015-2016, aims to install 60 GW of wind power capacity and 100 GW of solar power capacity by 2022, which is more than six times the current installed capacities of approximately 22GW and 3GW, respectively, thus reducing the dependence on coal.

While you Indian is talking about "plan, hope, will, is going to, are going to", let me tell you what has already been completed in China:
- wind power: new installed capacity 2014 was 20GW, total capacity by end of 2014 was 96GW
- solar power: new installed capacity 2014 was 10GW, total capacity by end of 2014 was 28GW

While laughing at the air pollution of China, pls be aware of that India has far more serious air pollution issue than China: the PM2.5 of Delhi is 153; the same indicator of Beijing 2015 was 80.6.

We hate the air pollution and we are now doing all that we can to fight against it. But from the air pollution, we at least get a massive industrial complex in return: 5650 billion kwh electricity production per year, plus 800 million tons steel per year. But what you Indian received? 1/5 of China's power production and 1/10 of China's steel production!

 

[TaiShang]

While you Indian is talking about "plan, hope, will, is going to, are going to", let me tell you what has already been completed in China:
- wind power: new installed capacity 2014 was 20GW, total capacity by end of 2014 was 96GW
- solar power: new installed capacity 2014 was 10GW, total capacity by end of 2014 was 28GW

While laughing at the air pollution of China, pls be aware of that India has far more serious air pollution issue than China: the PM2.5 of Delhi is 153; the same indicator of Beijing 2015 was 80.6.

We hate the air pollution and we are now doing all that we can to fight against it. But from the air pollution, we at least get a massive industrial complex in return: 5650 billion kwh electricity production per year, plus 800 million tons steel per year. But what you Indian received? 1/5 of China's power production and 1/10 of China's steel production!

That was brutal!

 

[Pulsar]

The capacity of peak modulation of solar plant sucks. It can only work as auxilary power plant.

If too much solar power capacity is integrated into the state grid, the wholet system will collapses.

Please explain.

Thanks!

You can't really compare India with us. India is a non-industrialized country.

Really? Like India is a thriving democracy whereas China is a one party autocracy!

 

[Atlanticore]

And where are China's polluting coal fired plants being transferred to? Pakistan as part of the CPEC!!!

In August 2013 it said that China should reduce its carbon emissions by 40-45% by 2020 from 2005 levels, and would aim to boost renewable energy to 15% of its total primary energy consumption by 2020.

Off topic: I know what is burning inside you but you have very less info about CPEC. Energy generation will be a major focus of the CPEC project, with over $30 billion expected to be invested in this sector. CPEC consists of 26 Major projects, including energy projects. Not only Coal power Projects but also Hydro Power Projects, Solar Power Projects and Wind Power Projects. And BTW your own country is far more dependent on Coal power Energy then any other country.