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[Viet]

Are you kidding me? Don't you have some very basic understanding of vehicle structure?? The air bag is activated successfully. So it is NOT air bag's fault!
It is because of the A-pillar broken that letting the impact force flow into the cockpit, then the driving wheel doing excessive displacement, hence the airbag fails to hold the passenger's head!

Ok who is the supplier of this piece a pillar? a chinese company I assume. You should look at other possibilities.

 

[Kai Liu]

It said

中国保险汽车安全指数研究管理机构（C-IASI），简称中保研，作为目前为止国内最有信服力的汽车安全碰撞机构之一，其标准也是参考了美国的C-NCAP

According to this

2020 VW Passat score all G in US IINS rating, (By the way C-NCAP is a Chinese Standard, not an American Standard, so the article was wrong there)

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/volkswagen/passat-4-door-sedan/2020

Also, according to this, IINS done the same test in the same condition as Euro NCAP

https://mocktheorytest.com/resources/how-to-use-crash-test-results-when-looking-to-buy-a-car/

No matter what, it is a VW passat, not a SAIC passat. It perform poorly in CIASI is a fact. It is VW's reputation to be tarnished.
BTW, Euro-NCAP is nothing special:

SAIC's own brand perform very well in that test.

Ok who is the supplier of this piece a pillar? a chinese company I assume. You should look at other possibilities.

~30 million cars source their material and parts from Chinese suppliers every year but only this Passat perform poorly, then who is to blame???

 

[KungFuLee]

No matter what, it is a VW passat, not a SAIC passat. It perform poorly in CIASI is a fact. It is VW's reputation to be tarnished.
BTW, Euro-NCAP is nothing special:

SAIC's own brand perform very well in that test.

Then explain to me why VW Passat only perform badly in China, it have 5 Stars in EU, all G in US, 6 Star in Japan.

I mean, if all of these are VW fault, then should they have any one of those or all of those failed badly as well?

 

[Viet]

No matter what, it is a VW passat, not a SAIC passat. It perform poorly in CIASI is a fact. It is VW's reputation to be tarnished.
BTW, Euro-NCAP is nothing special:

SAIC's own brand perform very well in that test.


~30 million cars source their material and parts from Chinese suppliers every year but only this Passat perform poorly, then who is to blame???

Who knows, maybe a chinese supplier delivers a cheap quality stuff to VW.
I recently had issue with my Toyota. The underbody steel sheet had to be replaced. It turns out instead of steal, the sheet is made of aluminum. Some people are criminal.

 

[GS Zhou]

In law, that is called an "Anti-Logical" theory.

Again, just because someone did a good job itself, working with the Japanese, working with the Swede, does not mean it will do good working with someone else. As all these incidents are mutually exclusive.

And you also failed to answer my question.

Are you saying the car made in China, by Chinese worker, in a Joint China-Germany Factory, under Germany supervision is entirely Germany fault how it turn out? This is a simple yes or no question.

A-pillar broken is rarely seen in car crash test. Such issue should be caused by the following reasons:

- Poor design, e.g. the front structure is not optimized for impact force absorb. It's a German-brand car. German are too proud to let others, especially if it is a country in their eyes is with an inferior auto industry, to interfere the German-brand car design. It's not difficult to imagine it.

- Using downgraded materials purposely. E.g. a harder steel grade should be chosen for the safety consideration, but the car company chooses the lower grade for cost control. Should not be surprised here considering VW needs to pay the diesel-gate scandal fine in US. A big amount of money, hence it wants to secure higher profits from its China business. Also the lack of side air curtain of Passat could be seen as another proof here.

- Using an unqualified supplier that fails to meet the quality standard. I cannot exclude the possibility here fully, to be very honest, because I don't know who exactly supplies the steel of the BIW (body-in-white) to SAIC-Volkswagen. However, considering A-pillar is the most important part to vehicle safety, steel for making A-pillar could only be sourced from super large & credible steel companies. And such steel companies usually serve a variety of different car OEMs. But A-pillar broken is TOO rare to see in crash test. Therefore I don't think it is the supplier's fault

- OEM's own mistake in manufacturing. SAIC-VW's past quality record is not bad. It's not the top-class in the industry, but acceptable. See the survey from JD Power. SAIC-VW's PP100 (problem per 100 cars) is 111, better than the industry average (116). So I don't think SAIC-VW's workers should be blamed for A-pillar broken, considering the "rareness" of A-pillar broken.
https://china.jdpower.com/zh-hans/press-release/2019-china-vds-cn

Short summary: the Passat's A-pillar broken issue is more likely to be caused by poor design, or using a downgraded materials purposely. It's Volkswagen's responsibility, because sourcing and R&D is under its full control.

 

[Kai Liu]

Then explain to me why VW Passat only perform badly in China, it have 5 Stars in EU, all G in US, 6 Star in Japan.

I mean, if all of these are VW fault, then should they have any one of those or all of those failed badly as well?

There is one posdibility that VW cheat in China by selling sub standard product and got caught while other manufacterers do not, just like VW did with its emissions in USA. This time it wont get fined but the consumers will respond to them if this is confirmed.

Who knows, maybe a chinese supplier delivers a cheap quality stuff to VW.
I recently had issue with my Toyota. The underbody steel sheet had to be replaced. It turns out instead of steal, the sheet is made of aluminum. Some people are criminal.

Again, the steel from Chinese suppliers which is most important for the strength of the structure used by VW is also used by other manufacturers and their 30 million cars produced anually here... but only VW failed miserably... VW should give us the answer Instead of keep silent..and Let idiots like you giving your B.S. here...

 

[GS Zhou]

Who knows, maybe a chinese supplier delivers a cheap quality stuff to VW.
I recently had issue with my Toyota. The underbody steel sheet had to be replaced. It turns out instead of steal, the sheet is made of aluminum. Some people are criminal.

In your Toyota case, it is Toyota requests the supplier to offer the part in aluminum. It has nothing to do with the supplier. The supplier produces what the car company asks them to produce. That simple.

Ok who is the supplier of this piece a pillar? a chinese company I assume. You should look at other possibilities.

Since A-pillar is almost the most important piece to crash safety, it is always designed and produced by OEM itself. The steel for making A-pillar comes from steel companies. But only the large & credible steel companies could be selected as the supplier. These large steel companies serve many OEMs simultaneously. But it is only Volkswagen to report A-pillar broken.

 

[Paul2]

A-pillar broken is rarely seen in car crash test. Such issue should be caused by the following reasons:

- Poor design, e.g. the front structure is not optimized for impact force absorb. It's a German-brand car. German are too proud to let others, especially if it is a country in their eyes is with an inferior auto industry, to interfere the German-brand car design. It's not difficult to imagine it.

- Using downgraded materials purposely. E.g. a harder steel grade should be chosen for the safety consideration, but the car company chooses the lower grade for cost control. Should not be surprised here considering VW needs to pay the diesel-gate scandal fine in US. A big amount of money, hence it wants to secure higher profits from its China business. Also the lack of side air curtain of Passat could be seen as another proof here.

- Using an unqualified supplier that fails to meet the quality standard. I cannot exclude the possibility here fully, to be very honest, because I don't know who exactly supplies the steel of the BIW (body-in-white) to SAIC-Volkswagen. However, considering A-pillar is the most important part to vehicle safety, steel for making A-pillar could only be sourced from super large & credible steel companies. And such steel companies usually serve a variety of different car OEMs. But A-pillar broken is TOO rare to see in crash test. Therefore I don't think it is the supplier's fault

- OEM's own mistake in manufacturing. SAIC-VW's past quality record is not bad. It's not the top-class in the industry, but acceptable. See the survey from JD Power. SAIC-VW's PP100 (problem per 100 cars) is 111, better than the industry average (116). So I don't think SAIC-VW's workers should be blamed for A-pillar broken, considering the "rareness" of A-pillar broken.
https://china.jdpower.com/zh-hans/press-release/2019-china-vds-cn

Short summary: the Passat's A-pillar broken issue is more likely to be caused by poor design, or using a downgraded materials purposely. It's Volkswagen's responsibility, because sourcing and R&D is under its full control.

FAW's Toyotas and Toyotas from other smaller OEMs used to be scary shite in nineties too.

Imported kit Toyotas specially made for Chinese market used to be a big joke, because grey import Toyota's were like incomparable to ones imported officially. A same model could have had smaller stamped wheels, cloth interior that got torn in under a year, plastic panelling for everything, drum brakes, and few generations older engine.

The moment people got to really hate them, and Germans finally came, Toyota realised they are gonna be a toast, and started haphazardly fixing its brand, but it was too late for them.

I think the situation will be familiar to Pakistani readers. How Suzuki managed to sell you Mehran for nearly $10k for so long, is what we had with Toyota until the country got moderately rich.

 

[Viet]

In your Toyota case, it is Toyota requests the supplier to offer the part in aluminum. It has nothing to do with the supplier. The supplier produces what the car company asks them to produce. That simple.


Since A-pillar is almost the most important piece to crash safety, it is always designed and produced by OEM itself. The steel for making A-pillar comes from steel companies. But only the large & credible steel companies could be selected as the supplier. These large steel companies serve many OEMs simultaneously. But it is only Volkswagen to report A-pillar broken.

Could be a construction error in my Toyota case. anyway after one failed attempt to fix it (by larger screws, no joke), I let that piece be replaced by my own cost. I told the dealer that is not acceptable.

VW has the policy of using identical platforms for all car variants, so including Golf, Audi, Scoda, etc. so If construction error then not just Passat is affected. Which sounds extremely unlikely but not impossible.

 

[Stranagor]

China's Car Sales Rose 40% Last Month From March, CAAM Predicts

XU WEI
DATE: 5 HOURS AGO
/ SOURCE: YICAI

China's Car Sales Rose 40% Last Month From March, CAAM Predicts

(Yicai Global) May 7 -- China's automobile sales may have widened by 40 percent to 2 million units last month from a month earlier, which is 0.9 percent more than a year ago, Shanghai Securities News reported today, citing the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers.

From January to April, sales are expected to have decreased by 32 percent to 5.7 million units, the report added.

https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/china-car-sales-rose-40-last-month-from-march-caam-predicts

 

[JSCh]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1258881519558578178

 

[Stranagor]

China's Car Sales Log Second Month of Nearly 40% Rebound, CPCA Says

ZHANG YUSHUO
DATE: 3 HOURS AGO
/ SOURCE: YICAI

China's Car Sales Log Second Month of Nearly 40% Rebound, CPCA Says

(Yicai Global) May 11 -- China's auto market notched another month of fast recovery last month as the Covid-19 epidemic eases its grip on the country, according to an industry organization.

Passenger car sales rose by 37 percent to 1.4 million units in April from a month earlier, according to data that the China Passenger Car Association released today. That was the second straight month of sales rising by nearly 40 percent.

But when comparing to last year, those figures still look sluggish. From January to April, sales declined by 33 percent to 44.5 million units from a year ago. And last year was already abysmal for the auto market that entered a downturn for the first time in nearly two decades in 2018.

The domestic car market has entered a post-epidemic era this month, wrote CPCA's Secretary-General Cui Dongshu in the same press release. But the short-term outlook for the global economy is still bleak as car parts supply chains are disrupted amid worries about production and sales despite the gradually normalizing work conditions around the world, Cui added.

In April, China's market leaders included two joint ventures of Germany's Volkswagen Group. FAW-Volkswagen Automobile ranked No. 1, increasing its sales by 11 percent from a year ago to more than 162,300 units. SAIC Volkswagen Automotive was No. 2 and SAIC Motor followed after that.

Not all brands fared equally. Last month turned out to be one of the best times to buy a luxury vehicle due to discounts while such sales rose by 16 percent from a year ago.

New energy vehicle sales reached 64,000 units over the month. The market share of domestic NEV brands climbed to over 61 percent while BYD, FAW-Volkswagen, Changan Ford Automobile, Nio, and Lixiang Automotive were some of the most popular sellers.

 

[JSCh]

150 new Chinese-made electric buses put into operation in Chile
Jul 2, 2020
New China TV

150 new Chinese-made electric buses have been put into operation in Chile's capital Santiago

 

[Team Blue]

I'm really interested in Chinese cars. I hope some models start making it to the states one day. Can only imagine how competitive they'd be on price.

 

[JSCh]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1283234846349942784

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