China angered after U.S. fighter jets land in Taiwan

[sicsheep]

Supply and demand. Vietnam is a luxury.

LOL Vietnam is luxury

 

[Aepsilons]

Next...The USS George HW Bush (CVN 77) is going to have its oil pressure warning lights on and will make an emergency pit stop in Taiwan.

 

[BoQ77]

Right, are you sure they weren't shot down by Chinese troops stationed in Vietnam?

Officially, China logistics soldiers lost many of their lives for road construction or repair,
they don't specialize in air defense, but arming AA guns is a must have for any logistic soldiers at the time.

I acknowledged a victory of them for a F-4. I guess when it dive bombing at low altitude. Thousands of casualties because of heavy bombing. We appreciate China support in this phase, consider them as heroes, but not about air defense.

B-52 always fly at high altitude and high dense of electronic jamming elements.
An attack group include 9 of B52 and at least 27 of escort fighters,
During operation Linebacker II ( 11 days) a total of 741 B-52 sorties had been dispatched to bomb North Vietnam

It's not easy to just use SAM and shot down B-52. At initial phase there's battle that 200 SAM launched without a victory against B-52.
Electronic warfare,

Right, are you sure they weren't shot down by Chinese troops stationed in Vietnam?

Do you know why China never use airforce during Sino Viet conflict 1979?

 

[Aepsilons]

All this hot air talk just for a mere fighter landing on Taiwan? Come on. Back to business.

In the end of the day China-Taiwan have a bilateral trade of $200 Billion (USD) per annum, and growing. lol.

 

[BoQ77]

China may worry about next day, US would deploy THAAD batteries and big X-band radar station ...there

 

[Aepsilons]

China may worry about next day, US would deploy THAAD batteries and big X-band radar station ...there

I doubt the Pacific Command would do anything to exacerbate any hostility with the Chinese directly.

 

[Kylin]

Do you know why China never use airforce during Sino Viet conflict 1979?

No official reasoning was given, but there were many reasons:

China still hadn't recovered from culture revolution, from some sources stating at the time China only had 73 J7s. And since Vietnam didn't use their Air Force, attacks were mainly relied on heavy artillery.

Also, given the weak Air Force at the time, it was more likely what the Air Force have was kept in case USSR did come to your aid, which they would use the same strategy China used, save Vietnam by attacking China.

Air Force thus was reserved, stay within China.

 

[BoQ77]

No official reasoning was given, but there were many reasons:

China still hadn't recovered from culture revolution, from some sources stating at the time China only had 73 J7s. And since Vietnam didn't use their Air Force, attacks were mainly relied on heavy artillery.

Also, given the weak Air Force at the time, it was more likely what the Air Force have was kept in case USSR did come to your aid, which they would use the same strategy China used, save Vietnam by attacking China.

Air Force thus was reserved, stay within China.

because they know the air defense ability of Vietnamese is very strong at the time.

 

[Kylin]

because they know the air defense ability of Vietnamese is very strong at the time.

Sure, even American Air Force knew that
but at the same time, Vietnam Air force had better fighters?

 

[BoQ77]

Sure, even American Air Force knew that
but at the same time, Vietnam Air force had better fighters?

Mig-21 is same to J-7, which lack of long range built in radar.
What's about China bombers at the time?

 

[Viper0011.]

Next...The USS George HW Bush (CVN 77) is going to have its oil pressure warning lights on and will make an emergency pit stop in Taiwan.

Hopefully along with a dozen or so ships in the CBG and a few "hidden" subs too, all having pressure sensor / mechanical issues docking almost next to the mainland China

 

[Kylin]

Mig-21 is same to J-7, which lack of long range built in radar

Chinese source also say Vietnam had Mig-23. We are a bit off topic here.
I don't think China is angry, routine diplomatic rant. Western media that under US influence from now will twist anything China does or say in a negative light. US' retaliation has just begun.

Have you heard? US rejected RMB as reserve currency for IMF, what a surprise.
Rumor has it that the US Secretary of the Treasury was actually in China demanding NO.1 or 2 share of AIIB, and of course it was rejected. And right after oh look our oil pressure warning is on, let me remind you I can still park wherever I want cause I am still the No.1.

 

[BoQ77]

Chinese source also say Vietnam had Mig-23. We are a bit off topic here.
I don't think China is angry, routine diplomatic rant. Western media that under US influence from now will twist anything China does or say in a negative light. US' retaliation has just begun.

Have you heard? US rejected RMB as reserve currency for IMF, what a surprise.
Rumor has it that the US Secretary of the Treasury was actually in China demanding NO.1 or 2 share of AIIB, and of course it was rejected. And right after oh look our oil pressure warning is on, let me remind you I can still park wherever I want cause I am still the No.1.

Mig-23 never commissioned in Vietnam Airforce.

On topic, I think the situation show negative to China, as US and their allies would be careful on China raising.

Even the incident they sent 2 B52 to newly declared ADIZ in East China Sea show us that they always act decisively, not any fear or friendly. They also claimed that scheduled in advance.

 

[gambit]

1, from the video with EP3 and 81192, in which the jet flys out a same speed with a Propeller aircraft, do you think the chinese pilot have a low skill. And why?

It is not so much 'low skill' as it is lack of flight discipline on the Chinese pilot.

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_90-23G.pdf

The wake of larger aircraft requires the respect of all pilots...

It is not just wake but general mass of air displacement and turbulence around large aircrafts.

If you -- a smaller aircraft -- are behind a larger aircraft, then you are in its turbulence wake. If you are not careful, you can spin out of control. If you spin out of control at altitude, then at least you can have some altitude to recover from a spin, which is a part of your flight training anyway. I took flying lessons when I was a teenager in high school and I learned spin recovery in a Cessna 152, but I had altitude to do so. If you spin out of control but have no altitude, then you might fly into the ground. No need to explain what would happen next, right ?

If you -- a smaller aircraft -- fly next to a larger aircraft, then you must aware of the mass of air that the larger aircraft continuously displaced all around him. This is basic formation flying. The wings area are dangerous because wings generate vortexes which can be unpredictable, and when these vortexes make contact with a smaller flying companion, terrible -- not just bad -- things can happen and they are usually fatal to the smaller guy.

Read what I post next very carefully...

Lockheed C-5 Galaxy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whenever the C-5 Galaxy is in flight, it pushes an air mass in front of it. If a KC-135 refueler is tasked to refuel this airborne C-5, the KC-135 will be in front of the C-5 and that mass of air WILL actually push the KC-135 up slightly. That is how much air the C-5 displaced.

Going back to the Hainan Incident where the smaller J-8 collided with the larger EP-3. Commander Wang Wei made several passes around the larger EP-3 with each pass he came closer to the larger aircraft. On the last pass, he came too close and most likely got caught up in the normal turbulence the EP-3 produces. Plus, the EP-3 is propeller driven, four of them. Air displacement by props are wider in area than jet exhaust.

Commander Wang Wei must have been at least a competent pilot, so this is unlikely to be a skills issue. When you are caught up in turbulence, if it is severe enough, no matter how skilled you are, you will be hurt. Commander Wang Wei was undiscipline -- not unskilled -- that day.

2, Is it normal, though it's a international airspace, china send plans to check a spy plan which is 70 nautical mile from china.

Yes, it is normal.

What will american respons, when a chinese spy plan or a russian spy plan get into near 70 nautical mile from San Diego navy base?

The Soviets did that regularly back in the Cold War, and the Russians are doing that now. So if you think we are somehow new to this, you are wrong. We have been doing these interception flights much more and much longer than the PLAAF have. Our pilots are disciplined and professional, simple as that.

3, Do you agree with BOQ77, when he said China should shoot down the B52 only beacase they are flying in the ADIZ. Or should china send a plan to check out what plans there are and send a meaasge, that this is chinese ADIZ. And then fly together for a moment maybe.

An 'air defense identification zone' (ADIZ) is an area of international airspace that a country would like anyone to make positive contact with its controllers. It does not mean that country is somehow lord sovereign of that airspace. If we want, the US can declare the entire world to be 'our' ADIZ but who is going to take that seriously ? No one.

An ADIZ is essentially a two-way courtesy call.

A country would say: 'World, we are concerned or paranoid about our safety, so please make positive contact with us and identify yourself.'

The rest of the world would say: 'Yes, we understand your concern and paranoia, so our aircrafts will make contact with your people.'

That is all there is. Common sense would take over and countries would respect each other's wishes. An ADIZ is NOT territorial airspace. So if China shoot down our B-52, there will be negative consequences to China. Basically, the US have the capabilities and power to reduce the PLA to little more than a constabulary force and we would be generous in doing so.

 

[SelfServeFive]

PLAAF attacked the F-18 with electronic warfare to fry its circuits. It was too unstable to land on a carrier so had to land in Taiwan. Next time we should just shoot it down.