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China and India : Brothers at Odds Who Shared the Same Destiny?

What do you know about our history ?
An east Asian try to teach Indians about their history .:wacko:
pathetic attempt.

Chinese didnt even faced 1/10 of the invasion from foreign barbarians like we faced during our earlier centuries .And none of them including Brits couldnt established their total dominance over us.
They were always faced revolt from native Indians.

An Indian trying to tell East Asians about their history? Pathetic attempt. Your low reasoning PISA scores are showing.

Your foreign barbarians only seemed strong because you got destroyed almost every time, even by third rate powers that were defeated by the remnants of people China took out.

Kushan Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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An Indian trying to tell East Asians about their history? Pathetic attempt. Your low reasoning PISA scores are showing.

Your foreign barbarians only seemed strong because you got destroyed almost every time, even by third rate powers that were defeated by the remnants of people China took out.

Kushan Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ya right .From the Alexander to Brits spanning around more than 1000 years we faced foreign invasion.
But Chinese one and only true enemy was Mangol that always plucked feather and hair of Chinese .
And great Chinese always faced genocide from Chenghis Khan .Then came the Japanese .They also did the same .They won

"The Yuezhi or Rouzhi (Chinese: 月氏; pinyin: Yuèzhī, Wade–GilesYüeh-chih) were an ancient Indo-European people[4][5] originally settled in an arid grassland area spanning the modern Chinese provinces of Xinjiang and Gansu. After the Yuezhi were defeated by the Xiongnu, in the 2nd century BCE, a small group, known as the Little Yuezhi, fled to the south, while the majority migrated west to the Ili Valley, where they displaced the Sakas (Scythians). Driven from the Ili Valley shortly afterwards by the Wusun, the Yuezhi migrated to Sogdia and then Bactria, where they are often identified with theTókharoi (Τοχάριοι) and Asioi of Classical sources. They then expanded into northern South Asia, where they became unified under one of their five leading branches, who founded the Kushan Empire. The Kushan empire stretched from Turfan in the Tarim Basin to Pataliputra on the Gangetic plain at its greatest extent, and played an important role in the development of the Silk Road and the transmission of Buddhism to China."

Kushan Empire was formed by Indo European not Chinese.

GCC has oil. looks like medieval monarchy is the best government after all.

Means way better than Chinese CCP. :sarcastic:
 
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They are very different countries. China has a lot more similarity with say Japan then it does with India.

Also, China is currently very ahead of India in economic development. To reach first world, it will take India another century. Coastal China is pretty much first world already.
 
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They are very different countries. China has a lot more similarity with say Japan then it does with India.

Also, China is currently very ahead of India in economic development. To reach first world, it will take India another century. Coastal China is pretty much first world already.
Chinese similarity with Japan ? Don't tell me you meant lookwise!
 
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Yep we never even talk about India really.

The hysteria is completely one-sided.

Once I believed there might be some similarities between China and India, since we are both 1+ billion populations who have suffered heavily at the hands of the Western powers in the past.

The difference is that despite this past, India seems to be completely enamoured with anything Western/white. According to global polls India is the most pro-American population in Asia, apart from the Philippines.

Also, think about this:

Western media stories about India: Poverty/Caste/Rape

Chinese media stories about India: Economy/Culture/BRICS

Yet they still behave completely slavishly towards the West as if they are holy. I don't believe there is any universe in which India would side with a fellow Asian country instead of the West, they would choose the latter every time.

It seems to be a leftover of history, hence their extremely negative behavior towards China/Pakistan and their fawning behavior towards anything Western. You can see their behavior towards Northeast Indians who are also not ethnically white.

India is the most pro American in Asia ?

really As far as i know Indians regard America highly because its the land of opportunities something that's not there at home.
To be honest we are never in the same line with US when it comes to foreign policy. We are more pro russia and most of the time non aligned. (India guards its own interest most of the time balancing)

extremely negative behavior towards China/Pakistan:


China well even i feel that Indian media goes hyper when it comes to border transgressions on LAC that's a mistake but it mainly happens because most people still believe 1962 was a Chinese invasion and think India was a saint tough the reality is different.

Pakistan well they just dont want friendly relations they want Kashmir and have been fueling a proxy war against India.
Pakistan has waged 4 wars against India and China arms Pakistan to its teeth. It is quiet natural to get the reaction for India.

You can see their behavior towards Northeast Indians:

Don't have to just bifurcate North easterners, Things are same for all people in India south Indians get treated badly in northern states and racial discrimination is sort of in the blood of people here but not all are same educated people behave properly.
 
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An Indian trying to tell East Asians about their history? Pathetic attempt. Your low reasoning PISA scores are showing.

Your foreign barbarians only seemed strong because you got destroyed almost every time, even by third rate powers that were defeated by the remnants of people China took out.

Kushan Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Interesting reading. Thanks for sharing.

In recognition for their support to the Chinese, the Kushans requested a Han princess, but were denied,[65][66] even after they had sent presents to the Chinese court. In retaliation, they marched on Ban Chao in 86 with a force of 70,000, but were defeated by a smaller Chinese force.[65][66] The Yuezhi retreated and paid tribute to the Chinese Empire during the reign of the Chinese emperor Han He (89–106).

So. The Zuezhi, that conquered northern india were defeated by a small Han force and they pay tribute to the Han Emperor. Enough said.
 
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They are very different countries. China has a lot more similarity with say Japan then it does with India.



So I thought id make a comparison of the two cultures. It is very interesting and cool to note similarities, some direct, and some coincidence.

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Warrior Class:

Japan - Samurai

India - Kshatriya


God of Death:

Japan - Enma (direct translation)

India - Yama (direct translation)


Personification of Death:

Japan - Shinigami

India - Yamaduta


Forms of Respect to Elders:

Japan - bowing before elders

India - touching feet of elders


Classical Swords:

Japan - Katana

India - Khanda


Name of Temple Gateway:

Japan - Torii (these two seem too similar to be coincidence, could anyone confirm?)

India - Torana (these two seem too similar to be coincidence, could anyone confirm?)


Native Beliefs:

Japan - Shinto/Buddhist philosophy

India - Vedic/Buddhist philosophy


Similar Philosophy:

Japan - Bushido

India - Dharma

They are very different countries. China has a lot more similarity with say Japan then it does with India.



The major key to Japan's economic miracle, beginning in the 1950's can be found in the same basic organizational structure which was seen among economically successful tribes in the Harvard Project on American Indian Economic Development and is characterized by a formal delegation of regulatory power from the ruling political body to an administrative, politically impartial bureaucracy.

Japanese Government/Ministry of International Trade and Industry

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Similarities between the Japanese Experience and Indian Country Today

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With respect to sovereignty issues and the independent capacity to generate tribal or "national" wealth, many Indian nations face the same kinds of obstacles, which Japan faced after World War II. In both cases, military defeat preceded the bureaucratic reorganization of institutions. However, in the Japanese case, bureaucrats were left almost entirely unfettered and attempts to impose a non-Japanese developmental framework proved both fragile and temporary. When the old triangular structure of the Emperor, the military and the great family owned corporations, or "Zaibatsu" were broken up, Japan's bureaucrats were freed to operate literally without restraint. Because they could act on a basis consistent with their own culture and national goals, they were able to achieve a tremendously leveraged power of industrial production.

On Indian reservations, the historical situation, which characterizes the rules and range of behaviors and strategies for building and keeping wealth, are almost the opposite of what we have seen in the case of Japan. This is not because the two cultures are radically different. In fact, the Harvard Project on Indian Economic Development commented explicitly on Native American communitarian values. The cultural and emotional similarity between community values in Japan and in Indian Country is often remarkable. The absolutely stultifying difference for Native Americans has been that not only has policy come from outside the reservation, and outside native culture, but that institutions, which are so central to the creation of wealth have been imposed by a Federal bureaucracy which essentially holds deep rooted values and run entirely contrary to the values of Native American communities.

A critical component of the entire range of programs and projects offered by Rose Community Development is to get institutional structure (and following Harvard, this means accountable institutions) back into conformity with Native American values.

The Developmental State: State guidance, private ownership/control

There are a number of interesting references in the literature, which highlight the similarities between today's Indian Nations and Japan of the late 1940's. Chalmers Johnson notes a number of these similarities in his landmark work, "MITI and the Japanese Economic Miracle" among the many important points which he makes are the following:


(a)For one thing, it was the history of poverty and war in Japan that established and legitimized Japan's priorities among the people in the first place.

(b)The priorities of the Japanese state derive first and foremost from an assessment of Japan's situational imperatives, and are in this sense a product not of culture or social organization or insularity but of rationality. These situational imperatives include late development, a lack of natural resources, a large population, the need to trade, and the constraints of the international balance of payments, but the situation nationalism of its people during the 1950's and 1960's is something another people would have to develop, not borrow.

(c)Nurturing the economy has been a major priority of the Japanese state because any other course of action implied dependency, poverty and the possible breakdown of the social system.

(d)The effectiveness of the Japanese state in the economic realm is to be explained in the first instance by its priorities. For more than fifty years the Japanese state has given its first priority to economic development "The third form of the government-business relationship, that of public-private cooperation, is by far the most important."…. The chief advantage of this form is that it leaves ownership and management in private hands, thereby achieving higher levels of competition than under state control, which affords the state much greater degrees of social goal- setting and influence over private decisions than under self-control…. it is hard to achieve." …This form…is not peculiarly or uniquely Japanese; the Japanese have merely worked harder at perfecting it and have employed it in more sectors than other capitalist nations.

(e)The economists are unable to analyze the Japan problem because at root it is actually not an economic problem, but a matter of differing political systems. The key variable and the great asymmetry between Japan and the United States is the state. Japan has a strong state and a long history of its society passively accepting leadership from the state. In this respect Japan is much closer to the history of modern Germany. By contrast, the United States has a relatively weak state, except for its military-industrial complex "

(f)The next stage of history…. it will be shaped in major ways by states practicing the social market and organized capitalism…. Thus, Asian capitalism, understood as a version of Japan's combination of a strong state, industrial policy, producer economics, and managerial autonomy, seems destined to lie at the center rather than the periphery of what economists will teach their students in the nest century

(g)Industrial policy means the government's "development, guidance, and supervision of industry. It explicitly does not mean the tired old cliché about the state's picking winners, nor does it mean the state's displacement of the market. Economic competitiveness does not result from picking winners but from a long-term strategy aimed at learning to win. The logic of industrial policy springs from the realization that what is problematic in economic activity is the organization of productions, not consumption by households and individuals. As Thomas McCraw explains, "Investment by the producers, because it s so far removed in time from ultimate consumption, just be attended to in careful, deliberate fashion. It cannot be left to the whims of individual, who will usual act in their own short-term self-interest…

(h) "Serious industrial policy means modifying the old-fashioned concept of comparative advantage to concentrate on industries with a high human-capital content such as steel, machine tools…The basic measure of performance in producer economics is savings and investment; the goals of such an economy are market share and ever-higher value added products, not short-term profitability.


Rose: Bridging the Gap Between The Japanese Experience and Indian Country Today

The Rose Community Development Corporation sees its corporate mission in acting as a bridge between the experience of Japanese Industrial Policy and Native American Economic Development. The Corporation has designed a unique hybrid economic development model, adapted from the Japanese experience, and adjusted for Japan's learning curve, that fits the situation, culture and governance of Indian Nations, today. The hybrid model and related hybrid technologies, will be bridged into Indian Country, through the Corporation's comprehensive programs and its planned support of Native American institutions through its the five program areas, Rose Solutions, Rose Capital, Rose Communications, Rose Education and Rose Cultural Presentation. Rose Community Development Corporation will exercise a centralized administrative function over these programs in order to maximize efficiency. To the extent, which it is practicable, Rose Community Development Corporation intends to model its functions and services after those employed by MITI in creating the Japanese Economic Miracle. Some of the basic features, which this model embodies, are illustrated on this page.

Rose: Core Structure
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Rose: Program Organization Chart
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Under the overall supervision of Rose Community Development Corporation, and with the guidance of Rose Solutions, the three subsidiaries of Capital, Communications and Education, will offer a comprehensive set of services to both Indian Country, related state and local governments, and the investment sector and private industry. The industries, selected through the Rose Proprietary Screening Model and funded by the patient capital, investment sector will have the full support of the bundled services of Rose Capital, Communications and Education. Rose Community Development's hybrid blended model, with its' comprehensive set of services, provides coherence, consistency and consonance to the stakeholders insuring long-term, mutually beneficial cooperation.
 
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Says a guys who come from a country that are obsessed by English people and imitate them in their marriages, life style, etc...etc...

And their leaders has to go public and instruct Chinese youth to not to follow western guys.

And your name is Andrew Jin !!

Half english/Jewish and half Chinese !!!



Absolutely.
But if u open an Hindi news video, u just hear a lot of English words.

Every element has a unique Chinese character.
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True.
A lot of my professors can not speak English.
As u can see in China, SK and Japan.

@FairAndUnbiased Watch this, see how many English words!
 
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Why are we putting down Indians' predelictions and use of the English Language ? Do we all forget that English is the Lingua Franca of the world? Even in this forum, PDF, English is the modus operandi wherein we all talk , communicate, discourse with each other.

And for all those who are disparaging India; I would suggest they visit India first and foremost before they make rather stark generalizations of a nation over 1.25 Billion strong. Any visitor to India will notice, upon their arrival, that India is definitely not 'English' nor is it 'Western', but a nation that is uniquely of the Subcontinent and South Asia, with their unique and beautiful religious and cultural practices that permeates every inch, nook and cranny of their society.


Regards.
 
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Why are we putting down Indians' predelictions and use of the English Language ? Do we all forget that English is the Lingua Franca of the world? Even in this forum, PDF, English is the modus operandi wherein we all talk , communicate, discourse with each other.

And for all those who are disparaging India; I would suggest they visit India first and foremost before they make rather stark generalizations of a nation over 1.25 Billion strong. Any visitor to India will notice, upon their arrival, that India is definitely not 'English' nor is it 'Western', but a nation that is uniquely of the Subcontinent and South Asia, with their unique and beautiful religious and cultural practices that permeates every inch, nook and cranny of their society.


Regards.

Ignore them bro.
Thanks to the preservation of ancient Chinese culture by modern China .Traditional clothing style of Chinese is now n the museum and art gallery.From functional attire ,marriage celebration to modern buildings Chinese dont have any problem in imitate European.
Of Course we accepted a lots of good values from around the world .English language was just one from Brits .We have accepted the Persian language ,Persian architecture ,Islam and Christianity and created our own version of peaceful yet powerful,highly valuable Sufi Culture ,Buddhism etc .Mughals came here with their ancient barbaric tradition .Due to their mixing with our tradition later Mughal kings like Akbar gave a lots of to this world .
Nalanda University was a prime destination of ancient Chinese Scholars.

But Chinese members cant understand that.
 
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